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welcome to vintage video where we'll be

reviewing every major film release of

the 1980s in real time

i'm patrick o'reilly i'm jesse bayless

and i'm richard wells and today marks

the 40th anniversary of the release of

last married couple in america or the

last married couple in america

on february 8th 1980. it was written by

john

herrmann shainer directed by gilbert

cates and released by

universal pictures um the movie is

considered

a 1980s update of the earlier paul

mazurski comedy bob and carol and ted

and alice which also starred

natalie wood and i think someone said

that it's basically like them

10 years later or 20 years later i think

natalie would said that no did she

i think that that's what she she she

said uh that's basically like that other

movie

yeah but it's like a sequel to that

movie but i'm the only person who came

back

um this was natalie wood's final film

role she

had one film after this that she didn't

quite finish filming right this is the

last one that they completed the film

but

uh she did work some of the movie

brainstorm which was eventually released

in 1983 but

her part of that film was incomplete so

what did they do for that film

i don't know so we'll have to cover that

when we get to it but um she died at age

43

on a weekend boat trip to catalina with

husband robert wagner

and brainstorm co-star christopher

walken peter bogdanovich has directed a

biographical movie on her life called

the mystery of natalie wood which

details her

at times troubled relationship with

husband robert wagner

uh wagner routinely voiced concerns

about the attention she received from

male co-stars

and he announced he would divorce her

during the filming of west side story

after wait wouldn't she was in it by the

way when was west side story

uh 60s late 60s wait

so he did he said he was going to

divorce her in the late 60s and then it

wasn't

until no they did divorce oh wait wait

why was she about with her ex-husband

because they were remarried this is the

golden era of hollywood everyone

remarried

so uh yeah after a brief marriage to

screenwriter richard gregson natalie

wood was again divorced and remarried

wagner

nine years before her death the

investigation of her death was reopened

in 2011 when dennis davern the captain

of wagner and wood's boat the splendor

which i'm assuming is named

after splendor in the grass of film she

was in but splendor spelled differently

doesn't matter

uh he admitted to the police that he had

lied during the original investigation

uh walken's story has always been that

he was asleep during whatever happened

and wagner had testified basically the

same that he had gone to sleep alone

but davern told police originally that

he didn't hear anything suspicious but

then he changed his story 2011

to reflect overhearing a loud fight

between wagner and wood that night

he also testified that wood had been

flirting with walking all night this was

just a boat full of people with w's in

their last names

and uh so wagner was enraged by her

constantly flirting with him and

eventually he bubbled up into a fight

when her body was discovered they found

a pretty high alcohol content and

motion sickness medication which is

normal for a boat but they

affect each other those medication and

alcohol shouldn't be taken together

um and the official story from the

beginning was that

a dinghy had come loose from the boat

and she was trying to secure it and fell

overboard

um but she also had bruises on her body

and arms

and an abrasion on her left cheek which

were probably there

before she drowned so did what

so officially she she died of drowning

yes the cause of death um in the

original corners report was that it was

accidental drowning

but um as recently as the 2011 update of

the investigation it was changed to

drowning and

other undetermined factors so they don't

think that it was drowning alone that

caused her death

right but she probably drowned because

of the mix of alcohol and

yes medication assuming she was

conscious when she went into the water

that would be the case she was also

known for not being a very strong

swimmer yeah she had a terrible fear of

water and her sister who played um

plenty o'toole in which james spawn

movie was that

one of the roger moore ones the one in

vegas uh that's

uh where he drives the moon lander

uh the the one vegas is actually uh sean

connery

is it yeah with willard white

uh that is diamonds are forever wasn't

diamonds or forever maybe it was

diamonds forever then i remember the

character of plenty of tool but i can't

remember which

but either way that was natalie wood's

sister um that played the character

and she almost drowned on the set of

that movie

because there was a scene where she was

supposed to be drowned in a pool

then that is i am confirming it is

diamonds are forever

according to wikipedia um she was what

is the sister's name

lana wood lana that's right um she was

tied to a weight

that was at the bottom of the pool to

hold her body below the surface of the

water to look like a dead body in the

water

i don't know why she could be floating

terrifying but

this the slant of the bottom of the pool

caused the weight to slowly shift deeper

and deeper into the pool and she almost

drowned on the set oh jesus

and then later her sister did drown that

is horrifying

um but i i i never knew that natalie

wood was so

old when she not that she was old i mean

but yeah that she was older yeah

like i i thought she died when she was

young yeah i thought she was like in her

like

late 20s yeah that's what i thought too

i mean she really she looks really

great but like i didn't think i didn't

think she made it to her 40s

well she kind of had a an association of

teenage death

in both west side story and rubble

without a cause that's true so it's like

she's like in these movies about

teenagers dying

young so maybe we conflate her

filmography with her actual life story

and then james dean

did die young that's true yeah in that

movie together so

uh i think i think that's because i i

believe the same thing

i never realized that that she was in

her 40s in the 40s

yeah um she did have a daughter with

that that middle husband between the two

robert wagners

well just to be clear one robber

no it was actually a clone of robert

wagner um

but uh her her daughter with gregson

was actually an actress and had at least

one memorable role that i could that i

recognized when i saw it she played

caroline fortis in high fidelity

who is the the music columnist that he's

flirting with that wants like to know

what his top five albums are what's her

daughter's name

um i don't know

i think it's natasha natasha wagner

um because i think that was actually

natalie wood's birth name was natasha

uh because she's the daughter of of

russian immigrants

um but yeah she was the music columnist

in gross point blank

which was coincidentally well probably

not coincidentally written by her

husband

uh d.v davisentis

um natasha wagner's husband

um so we start the film in valley

village

we're talking about this movie now i

think so sure why not

i i think it's important to bring up one

other thing sure uh from

from the credits uh uh because there's a

lot of interesting names in the crowd

yeah i know i i have some notes here on

that too uh

edith head yeah as soon as i can eat his

head this is the first edith head movie

that we've had so far

and she did the costume design for

natalie wood and for

uh rhoda um yeah i said ruden

valerie harper there you go um but yeah

so edith head that's fun and i've i

found some pictures of her on set with

uh with natalie wood um during the

production

but uh on the website yeah but um

so yeah we start the very first shot of

the movie they're playing football in a

park that we have been to many times

many times

um our friends of ours live right across

the street from this park they're

playing football in and valley village

uh this whole this whole movie is like a

tour of l.a yeah it's like oh okay

i i know these spots so many of these at

the time because this is back when like

los angeles was where you shot

everything it was either los angeles or

new york you didn't go on location for

anything

and i always forget how old those uh

two triangular buildings in century city

are oh yeah i was like man those are

those were there then i always feel like

those were newer but i guess they're not

i was surprised that matt amanda's place

was there at the time i was just like

i was like wow that building's older

than i thought well and those pipes are

still coming out of the ground

the sprinkler pipes yeah it's like

nobody's gonna fix that put them

um but yeah so uh we open on three

couples playing

uh football in the park um

they're not playing it very aggressively

they're kind of joking around with each

other

um but it seems to be like it's a weekly

game that they do

um and uh

there's just typical like couples

arguing with each other and flirting

with each other

um but we moved quickly to a house party

where it seems like only jeff the

george seagal character yeah um only

jeff is at this party

and then um natalie wood went to go have

lunch with

with rhoda i'm just going to keep

calling heroda over the course of this

but at this party basically uh a friend

of jeff's howard

is standing up and pitching divorce to

everyone like it's like this new thing

that he invented

um and it's just amazing and you have so

much freedom and it's wonderful

and giving reasons why marriage doesn't

work in the modern day right why it's

archaic

yeah and he says that the only happy

couple in the at the whole party are

donald and reggie

and then someone points out but they're

newlyweds that was such a great line

yeah

because because the reveal i mean

obviously the joke was supposed to be

the only happy couple is the gay couple

but

it turns out it's like no no that's not

why the reason is because they just got

married

but yeah and he's he's calling marriage

fascism and jeff is like jumping in

like offended on behalf of marriage and

talking about how he actually has a

happy marriage

um and then we cut over to natalie wood

who's having lunch with valerie harper

um what is the character's name barbara

um and she's basically doing the same

thing

like trying to pitch like oh are you

still with jeff oh you should get a

divorce it's great i just got divorced

um so she's pitching like a combination

of divorce and vaginal rejuvenation

which is like terrifying to mari the the

the natalie wood character she's like oh

my god why are we talking about this

like in a public setting like this is

terrifying why is this happening to me

um and she's like oh no it's worked

wonders for me

see and she looks over at some guy

that's like been watching her from

across the restaurant and can somehow

tell that she's had vaginal rejuvenation

you know you could just tell yeah tight

somebody's vagina is by looking at it

you can tell

it's very clear um but so that guy sits

down across from them he's like hey

how's it going and they're like oh

we're not we're not uh interested in a

conversation he's like oh don't worry i

have a friend and

she's like well i'm married so it

doesn't he's like that's fine

and she kind of smiles about it so the

next day we're at

football again but one of the couples is

gone the drydens

because it turned out that they got

separated possibly after

the divorce conversation at the party

the night before

um but there's still three couples

because another one has jumped in to

fill

the gap so now we're we're being

introduced to marv

and his wife yeah i i got really

confused uh

at this point i was like wait who who's

this couple yeah where they come from

a new couple is being thrown into the

mix because there's just a lot of

couples in this movie um but yeah

marv is a a very uh

interesting character he kind of reminds

me of uh eugene levy

yeah he talks i kept thinking that

repeatedly yeah

elena called me separated and he keeps

making

like weird jokes and voices and stuff

like that but he's like oh who's gonna

be the next one to get divorced like

trying to scare

everybody right like it's a ghost story

uh but uh marva's played by

uh interesting person uh richard

benjamin oh yeah

because he's an actor in a couple things

but he's also directed a lot of stuff

directed a lot of stuff like the money

pits

yeah money pit mermaids milk money my

stepmother is an alien

yeah and also a lot of movies that

presumably don't begin with m

but those four happen too um i was just

gonna say mercy x

yeah marcy x that's another m movie from

him

but he did have some that didn't begin

with him but i just didn't write him

down because they messed it up

but he was also a major danby in

catch-22 and he played peter martin in

westworld the film west world

but yeah he's he's pretty funny in this

movie oh i forgot to mention too that

one of the people that was dancing at

the party

there's like a guy dancing with a woman

and i was like i recognize this guy who

is this guy and i realize that it's

uh william bogart yeah we had in simon

as the host of the debate show where

they were talking about

yeah um whether or not simon was

actually an alien we moved to

a health spa or something where all the

guys are like everybody seems pretty

independently wealthy and they can just

kind of like wander around and do

whatever they like we do have a few

shots of jeff at work but

it's it's a very white person movie yeah

um

he's like an architect who goes to like

the

sauna like i don't know i don't know a

bunch of dudes hang out

naked in a steamy room well it seems

like is that if i had the money i would

do that

every day yeah it seems like it might be

like at a country club

or some kind of uh

like place where you have to be a member

to something because

they have the hot tub to themselves but

they're also sitting in these like weird

little chairs in the

tub yeah they're not just sitting in it

yeah um

and yeah like i said the sauna uh it

reminds me a lot of like uh

like the goonies where it's just like

when when when they're banging on the

pipes and you're seeing like all the

different

bathrooms in the country club and all

the different like facilities that this

place has

yeah that's why that's the only reason

it made me think it was this is just

what architects do

in their uh plethora of off time because

he kind of makes his own schedule he's

an architect and she's like

a sculptress right that's it's like

is that what you would call that job no

sculptor

i think they're all sculptors okay

there's no female version of sculptor

we are all female eyes any job can't you

you can just put an s on anything and

it's a women's job

congratulations you can be a doctor now

but yeah they're uh they're just joking

about divorce again in the hot tub

and uh one of the guys happens to be a

divorce attorney but he's only a divorce

attorney for women

who he immediately then preys upon

yeah that's so shady it's a very

uncomfortable conversation

that's played for glorious laughter

that's so wonderful

i love vulnerable women but then all the

guys who have been divorced

that are in this conversation have all

remarried and they're talking about that

and when they move to the sauna one of

the guys is like he's on his like third

or fourth wife

and he's like i really think this one's

gonna stick he's like you know what i

want is i want something like a love

story

and then i like the the line from

jeffrey's just like

what are you talking about the girl in

that died

he's like really hey maybe that's what

i'm really looking for

[Laughter]

then uh while they're all sitting there

marv comes in and he keeps messing with

the heat

and he's like he's like what are you

doing it's already 143 in here and he's

like it's only 140 don't be a liar

and then he's like why are you doing

that i can't breathe it's too hot in

this room

and he turns it all the way up and then

he just goes

it just starts yelling for like 30

seconds and everyone else they're just

cutting to all the reaction shots but

he's still yelling he keeps yelling

and the implication of this yell is that

he just got divorced

but then for some reason he's really

upset about it it's like why did you

do it if you're so upset about it like

like isn't the whole louis ck bit is

that like no good marriage ever ended in

divorce

it feels like they're

they they keep having everybody get

divorced and then like

be dependent on each other and get back

together yeah well or like

it just they i don't know how what how

this

movie feels about marriage and divorce

but it's like everybody really wants it

and then they do it

and then they regret it and they're

upset about it

but it just seems like i maybe maybe

that's changed though i i think divorce

like trended in the 80s and like there

was a lot of people that were just doing

it because everyone's getting divorced

and that's where this like

the whole premise for this movie comes

from is like oh man so many people there

was like a glut of divorce going on

but like nowadays it's like when people

get divorces like oh no i can't stand

that person

i'm not going to be around them anymore

like they don't do it because they're

just like i want my freedom it's like no

no i can't stand them

goodbye um but yeah so he just screams

and that's

the indication that he is now officially

divorced from his wife

um i declare divorce

um so then we cut to them at a

restaurant marvin jeff

where marv is like trying to tell him oh

your marriage is terrible too right yeah

it's you know it's police strikes it's

women's live it's condominiums

he's just like naming all these random

like pop culture things that don't have

anything to do with his marriage

he's like what does that have to do with

your marriage i don't know

but he's convinced that jeff is lying

about being happy in his marriage

um because he doesn't want to have made

a mistake

in divorcing his wife i guess um then we

go to a kid's birthday party at a roller

rink

where we meet walter played by dom

deluise yeah

and i why is he in this movie

why not because he's wonderful and we

should just put him in

every movie he's better in this than he

was in fatso i i

am two or three scenes of this movie

he's better than in all of fashion he's

such

he's just such a great character like i

just don't even

understand like he's just this jovial

wonderful man that

is you know the life of the party and

he's such a great sidekick character

and him and seagal are just hilarious in

the scenes that they have together here

but um so walter is basically uh

an old high school friend of jeff's um

who

is also divorced because every character

that we're gonna randomly bump into from

moving forward is gonna be recently

divorced

um and uh he says he's doing porn now

um for work he's still working as a

plumber like he was back in the day but

he's also doing skin flicks on the side

and he said

supreme court stuff i was like is that

like a sub genre of porn

i totally missed that whole thing

because i know later we find out that he

got remarried

and you know but i had no idea

like i did i totally missed this section

where he was doing porn oh really

yeah because there's a funny line from

from jeff there because he says like oh

supreme court stuff and he's like oh my

god that's crazy i remember in high

school you were like a boy scout you

were like

he's like oh wait a minute i had a gym

class with you you're going to be a star

and then he just starts laughing a

little bit but he's just like cracking

up like yeah yeah i got it

presumably this is where he meets his uh

his new wife then where uh no no because

it's someone that she i think it's the

woman that he does

the films with where he's he talks about

he's already seen this

yeah he he mentions that he's already

seeing um his girlfriend

oh okay but he doesn't say much more

than that and then it comes out later on

right additional information um but uh

but yeah so he said the reason that he's

here in the first place is because he's

learning

to skate for his next film roller bang

and uh and then uh we moved to

another scene it looks like they're

walking through an airport but i think

it's a mall

it's it's actually the pacific design

center oh the the place that you were

telling me yeah that's haunted

there's nobody there it's the weirdest

place

so it's a mall yeah with no people

because you can only go into this place

by appointment

but it's set up completely like a mall

huge wide alleys between the stores

stores that are manned by a skeleton

crew but it's like a wholesale warehouse

right

well it's it's a it's a place where you

go to see like samples of carpets or

drapes if you you would you would come

through here with an architect or with a

designer for who who's remodeling your

house for you right

uh that's the only way and uh i would i

had to deliver a bunch of

carpets swatches um why were you

delivering carpet sweatshirts we worked

for

an hgtv subsidiary for a while uh yeah

and so they wanted these things back

that's why i had to go

and like it's just so creepy to walk

around

and nothing was off limits i i stumbled

into like

stolen so much stuff because there was

no one looking like i i had to like

yell for people to help me um and i

walked into like the whole office

section which with the lights were off

and just like bullpens of computers was

like how did i even get in here i just

took an escalator here

um but and i wasn't sure that this is

where it was until the camera panned

when they were in the escalator

on the escalators and i was like oh yeah

i know exactly

that's where i got lost uh but yeah this

whole time they're walking to

uh this uh benihana style restaurant

or i guess it's is it just a sushi place

i i guess we don't really see them

eating we just see

they're drinking right before they eat

and them drinking but um

they're going into this restaurant and

he's still trying to talk him into

getting a divorce

but he secretly has trapped him into a

double date here

um but he's telling him on the way to

the restaurant that oh i joined this

uh this group for like men who just got

out of

like long-term marriages and uh it's so

great and they respect you more

if you show up with like a young date

because they're like oh yeah he's living

his best life

and he's like and if it's an asian girl

oh man then they're really impressed

it's like what is going on so it feels

like this is like the situation

where like when people have kids then

they try to convince all their friends

to also have kids because

oh kids are the best and they just

actually like actually

a trap you're tricking them into having

kids so they're as miserable as you are

i don't know you knew this listener kids

are so terrible

just kidding kids when you're old enough

to listen to this podcast we love you

but uh but he gets into this restaurant

and then immediately

uh two asian women walk up and he's just

like oh this is my girlfriend and that's

your girlfriend let's go to our table

and he's like um hold on a second

he's not the second diner scene in this

film

in which friends are trying to set

people up with

yeah or third because like right after

uh marv got uh divorced he immediately

took him to a restaurant to complain

about

jeff's marriage um but yeah so

as he's leaving the restaurant because

we don't see much of them at the

restaurant other than like

they introduce themselves and say oh

she's a doctor and she's like studying

physics at some local college or

whatever

and uh she's like oh uh thermodynamics

and he's like thermal

dynamics like he screws up what she said

um and then uh as as he's leaving the

restaurant

uh barbara pulls up in like a

convertible

and she's like oh hi jeff and i i can't

tell what the point of the scene is

other than

it's like did did she catch him cheating

on his wife

that's exactly that's exactly that's not

what happened

and he could very easily explain what

happened so it's not like he had

actually cheated on his wife no but it's

also but barbara also doesn't like use

it against him i think she

you know she it's just implying that she

sort of has like leverage

it just i i felt like she should have at

least hinted at that leverage later on

if that was the point of her seeing him

well i think it was more of a signal to

her that oh he's open

oh maybe oh maybe that makes sense he's

open for business that makes more sense

then

um but he gets home and the kids are

like oh mom's next door she wants you to

come over

and it turns out their neighbors are

getting divorced um this is another

of the couples that had been playing

football at the park with them yeah um

and then you entered this super awkward

scene they just have a really

mean fight and uh i did like the one

point where

he like goes to pour someone a drink and

she's like you didn't ask me if i wanted

any and then he goes to pour her a drink

like i don't want any it's just like

just trying to piss each other off for

no reason um

but it's just there's not really much

more to this scene other than like oh

these two people are bitter and hate

each other even though they've been

super lovey-dovey the whole time right

they were like making out in the back of

the car and scene

so now we go to the next uh the next day

of football and

it's just jeff and mari playing by

themselves yeah and

then the music comes up and i was like

is the movie over

yeah are they the last married couple in

america

that's it we did it we did it we got

there in 30 minutes

um but yeah the uh it's kind of funny

because

you would think that they would play the

scene like man this is really awkward

and hard to play football with just two

of us but no

they're just having exactly as much fun

maybe even more fun than they did when

everyone else was there

and it's like i think the point of the

scene is really to hammer home that it's

like

no no these two people belong together

they get along fine and they don't need

anybody yeah they really enjoy each

other

um but yeah so they

play their solo football game i don't

know why you even commit to going to the

park

but um but they did um and then it's

jeff's birthday

so mari takes him out for his big

birthday dinner

and she's got him blindfolded as they're

approaching the restaurant and he's

expecting some fancy place and they pull

up to tommy's another

another place that i've been yeah

tommy's is pretty close to downtown

yeah this is actually the the first uh

tommy's driving in los angeles and it

had very recently opened i think um he

thinks she's joking at first

because it's just burgers and hot dogs

but she's not and they get food

um but then he she does surprise him

when they get back to the car that

there's like a champagne bottle and two

champagne flutes under a blanket oh

that's the price i thought about the

doing the surprises in order but that

was the first surprise and then she's

like oh and did i mention that i'm not

wearing anything under this coat and

he's like yes you are and she's like

huh and he's like oh no you're not um

and then they leave to go have car sex

um

until they're in toronto until they are

interrupted by a police officer doing

the rounds

they call it interesting i was totally

cool with this he's like oh i thought

you were a teenager it was a woman

it was a woman cop oh yeah but she but

she was still good with it

but yeah but they're in like it looks

like maybe like pacific palisades or

like some really rich like coastal like

they're the hollywood hills yeah

mulholland

yeah but either way it's like a rich

neighborhood and the whole point is like

go do this in van nuys like the people

here call the police if they hear it

offend the good people of that night

yeah but then we cut to like those

couples sitting there at the gates

watching them and then they

start arguing she's like you know what

they were doing in there and he's like

yeah i have an idea

yeah and then she was just like but we

never do anything spontaneous you'd be

freezing your ass off

out there so what we have a perfectly

good house right there

and we have a perfectly good yard

apparently here to watch other people do

it

they just come out to the fence and wait

for car sex to happen so they can call

the police

um but yeah so the next day uh as jeff

gets into the office

barbara is there sitting in his chair at

his desk

and is suddenly very forcefully putting

herself

on him as a romantic partner she's like

i'm gonna just this guy

even though he's very clearly married

and happy with his wife

well and and pushing her off and saying

no yeah he's very rapey on her part

yeah he's he's being very forceful in

his rejection of her advances

but she still before leaving pushes him

up against a desk

and kisses him hard um and then

he leaves to go tell his wife what

happened basically

and as he's walking out of the office

the secretary's making fun of him i'm

like

oh where you going are you going for a

lunch where should i say you are

and he's like no no i'm just going home

for lunch and she's like oh

matinee and he's like no i'm going home

like get your mind out of the gutter

and she's like okay well wipe the

lipstick off of your face

um but he goes home to see his wife

um and apparently have a matinee right

exactly

but uh but yeah so when he gets home

though she's like sobbing

um in the kitchen because she just heard

about another divorce

um because donald and reggie broke up

and

not donald trump they were the ones that

were supposed to make it

um but yeah so they uh

he i think at this point it would it's

too dark for him to dump on her that

he was just like sexually assaulted by

her best friend so

instead it's just like trying to cheer

her up and they start telling each other

what they like about each other

to try and just like brighten the mood a

little bit and they say some really like

sweet

like kind things about each other that

it's actually pretty good writing i

thought

is there much more to that scene well

other than that they have sex that's

about it sure yeah

but i i never get the impression from

this movie that they're having any

trouble in that department

like is it is it indicated that they're

not having sex as much as they would

like because

he never complains about it no did they

have what three kids

yeah that's true or at least one i don't

know how many of them were actually

their kids there were there's three kids

hanging around in every scene but they

gave us kids friends or something

but yeah so uh he goes out to have lunch

with marv again

uh who just keeps dragging him to lunch

and telling him that marriage is

terrible but this time he's still

telling him that divorce sucks um and

that even though there's women all over

the place

um that he's never had so many uh people

hit on him

in his entire life but he can't get it

up anymore

um which jeff is trying to tell him that

it's psychological

and that he's going to get over it and

that it's fine he's like are you trying

to tell me divorce is easy

like freaks out on him um and for no

reason

jeff brings up that he's like well you

know what i'm always worried about is

is a weak stream when i go to take a

piss

and he's like seems like i don't even

know what the point of this conversation

is

i mean like other than to say like oh

well anyway

divorce aside i'm worried about getting

old and it's like why why are we talking

about this all of a sudden this this

hasn't been a part of the movie at all

that anyone's talking about age it's

been entirely about marriage and divorce

but now suddenly marv gets freaked out

that he has a weak stream and that he's

an old man and that's why he can't get

it up wait is this a thing

do guys care about the velocity of their

urine

look everything i know about urine

velocity i learned from pipe robots in

medicine commercials and

uh as far as i know turns out i didn't

have a going problem i had a growing

problem

but so marv drags him into the bathroom

to watch his pstream and tell him if if

it's

thick enough

[Laughter]

if any of our listeners are pee and

gravy contact

an exorcist velocity not viscosity

you might be shaking it too much when

you pee

but anyway um again on his way out of a

restaurant i'm not clear if this is the

same one but

uh barbara catches him walking out of

the restaurant

and says oh hey uh we're gonna have sex

now

and he says no no remember i said before

i don't want to do that

so we won't do that and she was like oh

we're gonna do it so let's go to a hotel

and then we just cut to the outside of a

hotel where they've already had sex

and it just felt like this character

wouldn't have done it yeah it's super

out of character it really kind of

bothered me

yeah and not just like not just

disappointed in the character like

because

he's been such a fun like good person

the whole time but also just it felt

way out of the realm of what he would do

especially like earlier the day all the

nice things he said about as well

to be fair he calls that out after the

fact like he he's just like hey i just

did something

i didn't want to do right well and he

but uh there was also

talk of a previous incident that he had

done right

it was like seven years ago and

apparently they had both dabbled

so they there was mutual cheating in the

past but that they had forgiven each

other for it

but um but he uh so he goes through with

it and he sleeps with this woman and as

they're leaving she's like

you didn't enjoy that did you and he's

like no i did i did and she's like no

you didn't and he's like yeah you're

right i didn't i'm sorry

but she's like i'm not sorry i just i

don't understand why why you feel so bad

and it was just like

well because i didn't have to do that

and i didn't want to do that

and i don't even know why i did it other

than just because the norms of the time

peer pressure yeah it was basically like

he just blamed societal norms which i

don't think is totally

out of line for the 80s that it's like

if a girl's throwing herself at you

you're supposed to sleep with her like

that's

like if you don't do that then there's

something wrong with you like that's the

way that that popular culture made it

sound

he said he said he also didn't like he

he didn't know how to deal with an

aggressive woman and like he would have

been emasculated by not

you know taking control of the situation

right right and yeah so it's just like

but he also said that those times are

changing which i think is like

it's prescient of this film to realize

that it's like this is the tail end of

that kind of

a world where you're just expected to

have sex with anyone who asks you if

you're a guy

um but then uh then

we talked to walter a little bit more at

the office

and walter says that he's gonna be

having a party and that a lot of people

are coming

and that they're basically all hookers

and i forget if i mentioned it but my

girlfriend is also a hooker

and he says this in the middle of the

office so like all of his like all of

jeff's co-workers are like what is that

why

why what about a bunch of hookers and

he's like oh yeah there's they're

swingers and

and i they kind of mix the word hooker

and swinger up

a lot in this conversation i don't think

they

i don't think they are mixing it up i

think that that

they're saying both are true like well

maybe but it doesn't it

i mean hookers are cost money

and most of the people this party just

seemed to be swingers maybe

i don't i don't know if i'm saying most

i i think there was an eclectic

variety of i just like the fact that he

you know he said uh like oh we didn't

realize until after we were married that

we have the same birthday that's why

they're having this party because it's

their dual birthday

yeah yeah um and he also like i like

when he says like oh yeah we have

swingers

everywhere where we have them like san

diego uh some are coming from anaheim

and he's like disneyland they have

swingers at disneyland and he's like

well not mickey mouse and donald duck

but in the area

mickey mouse

and then i laughed at him laughing at

his own joke and then uh

we move on from that scene to jeff at

the doctor telling him that he got

gonorrhea from barbara

yes um it's funny too because there's

there's no like

doctor patient confidentiality it's just

like yeah so i have gonorrhea and the

doctor's like

who did you get it from and he's like

barbara and he's like oh yeah i got a

bunch of barbers people in here lately

and and and then he's like who and then

i think the doctor

just blatantly tells him like other

people that she's no he he basically

admits with his silence that it was

that him like he got diagnosed oh really

yeah

i mean i think that's what they were

implying when he doesn't really answer

and he's kind of like looks down

sheepishly yeah but then he

then he convinces him to get mari in

here to get tested under false pretenses

yeah he's like no no i can't i can't

tell her that happened and he's like

tell her you have the flu tell her it's

strep throat and cough a lot

he's like no i can't lie to her that

would be terrible it's like do you want

your marriage to end

he's like no i don't want my marriage to

end and he's like cough a lot is this

just what doctors were like before hippa

existed they're still like this remember

that time i was coughing a lot

but so uh so he goes home and he's

coughing a lot because he's decided to

lean into the doctor's excuse

and mari's like oh well i already have

my flu shot so no need for that he's

like oh no no this is

this is some rare vietnamese flu it's

like

where did you get a vietnamese flu he's

like oh it's going around now

they you got to get a different shot for

it so come on

and so they he takes her back to the

doctor and when he's there barbara's in

the waiting room

and yeah he's obviously there for

getting her battery

but she accuses him and so i thought

that this was going to be

like like a double bluff in that he

actually got it from mari

who she cheated on him oh interesting

and that would have been that would be

interesting

uh but it wasn't because she didn't even

know that she's

barbara's just delusional about the

number of men she's been sleeping but

she's also not at all upset with the

doctor when he's like i have gonorrhea

and she's like

uh she's like yeah you gave it to me and

he's like no i got it from you the

doctor told me that you gave it to me

like

specifically you at that point she's

like oh my god if it was me i caused an

epidemic

yeah and she's starting to realize like

oh yeah that there are other

consequences to

uh just having sex with whoever i feel

like at any random time

but they're having this conversation and

meanwhile jeff has been sitting on

mari's jacket which she left on the

couch in the waiting room

so when she comes back to get it she

overhears him saying no it was only you

so i could only have gotten the

gonorrhea from you

and then she obviously flips out and

leaves

i hope she goes back and gets that taken

care of though

yeah yeah well and and so he follows her

to the elevator to leave but it's an

express elevator so they have to stay in

it together the whole time

i have to stay here it's an express uh

but this is where they are in century

city

they're they're walking down like the

the center aisle between those two

triangular buildings

yeah and i did like the conversation

they have here because they're bringing

up the cheating that they did in the

past

and uh and he says something like yeah

no you know we got it out of our system

the doctor says i'm cured like

i'm sorry that this happened and she's

and he's like well besides

you cheated with someone you know i did

and she's like yeah but you forgave me

for that he's like i know but i have to

use something

um i i really enjoy the dialogue in this

movie yeah i mean

it's it's it's moments like that just

keep happening and it feels very real it

feels like something you would say in a

real relationship like

no no you're right i did forgive you but

what am i supposed to do just like

lose this argument right yeah it doesn't

it doesn't feel contrived at all it's

just like ah you're right and i know

you're right and we have this great

relationship and i screwed

it up and he does that a couple times

too where like they have that argument

in there like sunroom area where

he says something to her and she's like

that's not true why would you say that

in front of the kids or something and

he's like was i really hogging the

conversation

was i really not being assertive

hey you know something everybody's

breaking up and i don't understand why

like at the same time as they're angry

they're also both very self-conscious

and offended by what they've heard

and then they're just like immediately

just fall back in love with each other

most of the time

um but here that doesn't happen we cut

to

jeff just playing football by himself

now no that doesn't happen

but that would have been interesting

like why did you bother still smiling

and laughing like oh this is great

um if this were more of a zany comedy he

tried to get convinced some kids to play

football with him and they'd be like get

away from us

get away old man but yeah so howard the

guy who is the divorce attorney for

women

gives shows up as a house call for mari

and it's like oh i heard about what

happened instantly through the grapevine

and uh i'm here to tell you that uh

you're very attractive still and you

don't need to worry about uh finding

someone new and

just undressing while he's talking to

her which is the exact lines that he

that he mentioned at the at the spa

right um

yeah um and uh she's not having it and

tells him to get out um

yeah but he is just he can't he's not

he's basically doing the same thing that

barbara was doing in the office

which is just like no means nothing

super aggressive no it's short for

nothing

and uh and we cut to jeff

actually at the park but this time with

marv uh

and they're just uh they're playing

football with

some of the other couples that had

divorced no they also have some other

girls there

yeah okay and new girls everybody with

their younger girlfriends

yeah yeah because he complains at this

point you know like or after this that

that he's just like you know this girl

can't even play football

yeah like she's not as good as mari

right and then uh

not that anyone showed any prowess in

any of the previous football games

but um for no reason because there's no

tennis court saying we're near this park

i know for a fact

um amari and her new boyfriend walk by

wearing full tennis outfits or

carrying tennis racquets maybe at the

time there was i'm gonna say it's 1980.

you were never at that park

no i'm pretty sure i checked it out i

mean i was born about three years later

i wouldn't notice the remnants

um but uh but yeah so she's there with

a much younger man probably in his like

late 20s

and uh and jeff is immediately furious

because she's supposed to be at home

crying

that he cheated on her not like out like

uh already already recovering from their

breakup

and uh he gets so mad and he he goes up

to her and starts arguing with the two

of them

um but then they basically she she

throws it in his face like

he's like i feel like you're being

vindictive and she's like good i am

being vindictive like

this this is hostile i'm do i feel

hostile right now

um and then she leaves with her her

boyfriend

and marv is like why don't you just go

get a young girlfriend i don't know why

this is even a problem

um and then he remembers that he told

walter that they could use the house for

his the birthday party right but that

now he separated with his wife he

doesn't have like

the house the house isn't his anymore

and uh so he tries to tell walter

that he's gotta shut it down and cancel

the whole thing but for some reason

the party is still allowed to happen

because mari doesn't care and is like

willing to host all these swingers at

the house

um so basically mari and her boyfriend

are at the house for the party

and jeff brings like an 18 year old girl

um why do you keep asking me what my age

is

he's like you look old for your age i

mean you don't look old you look

you look great can we stop talking about

it um

and then we get a 10-minute dance number

yeah just a lot of dancing at this party

walter and his girlfriend are dancing a

lot

yes uh this is more like the girlfriend

that would be cast

uh in fatso if it were directed by a man

yes exactly

someone who's way out of his league so

yeah we're just a lot of people dancing

at this party

um the couple from san diego that we

were hearing so much about before

shows up um laney and i forget

the husband's name um and

they're very forward and

uh the husband is basically following

mari around the party

and she seems to be reacting to him well

the husband is very forward the wife is

kind of just

well she's sitting yeah she's silent

kind of but she doesn't seem

uncooperative yet um spoiler alert and

the the husband and mari move into their

bedroom

where jeff is like just watching them

through the window right i'm just gonna

watch these two people have sex in my

bed

um and then while they're talking the

guy just gets up opens the door and goes

back to the bed to continue talking to

mari like

he wasn't even thinking about the guy

outside but he just opens the door and

just is like

nope come on in sit down um because he's

expecting that the four of them are

gonna get in this bed

not just him and and jeff's wife and um

and for the first thing he does is

convince his wife to stand in the middle

of the room and undress for them

this the woman uh playing his wife laney

is actually um sandra curry

or curie i'm not sure how to pronounce

the last name but

her sister is in the runaways and will

show up later this year in foxes

um and she strips completely naked for

them

and uh jeff and mario are freaked out

about it well they're not so much

freaked out

as they are to me is as they are just

kind of

somewhat embarrassed about the situation

yeah it's just they're very they're

uncomfortable yeah they're both not

trying to make eye contact

but they're being awkward enough that

it's making laney uncomfortable

and she goes to the point where after

she's stripped completely naked she's

like

okay this is stupid it starts to put her

clothes back on and it's like they're

they're

not into it i'm not into it you're the

only person here that thinks this is

gonna happen

like i'm done with the orgies i'm done

with the swinging

like we're gonna have a normal marriage

or we're not gonna have a marriage

and she just gets up and walks out um

and

the guy's like the guy's freaking out

and trying to make excuses to keep her

in the room but she doesn't do it

um and then as as we're leaving the

party we see that

laney is sitting on the couch with a

divorce attorney i

i like that as the as the husband leaves

he turns back to mario's like you ruined

my marriage right

like yeah like it's their fault

definitely her fault yes just sitting

there watching you awkwardly force your

wife to undress in front of a strange

couple

yeah and then and jeff and mari then

just kind of silently forgive each other

right they embrace and and it's pretty

late in the party so they're kind of

like

okay we can kick everybody out now and i

thought that this was gonna go south

like he's like okay everyone would be

upset about it

they're very cooperative it's time to go

time to time to leave this isn't our

home

yeah um so everybody leaves laney ends

up leaving with the divorce attorney

um apparently the kids were upstairs for

the whole orgy yes that's super awkward

right after the party they go up and

they're like oh here are

our kids it's like what you had a bunch

of porn stars and swingers downstairs

and you would just had your kids hang

out upstairs while the party was going

on

i gotta understand this podcast while

our kids are asleep

i'm not gonna have sex with strangers in

here

um and then the whole family goes to

tommy's under the credits

like they immediately cut from the

bedroom like they woke the kids up and

like get in the car we're going to

tommy's burgers right now

i mean i like the moral of this movie

it's like well

you know our marriage isn't perfect but

everyone else is horrible

yeah but by the end of the movie i think

other couples are probably getting back

together uh

i i couldn't care less if they do all i

care about is jeff and murray and this

yeah in this movie so

they're the only two likeable people in

the cast well

dumb de louise is pretty dirty that's

true he's great him and his girlfriend

seemed really cute at the party too yeah

and

it's such a stark contrast from uh i

i keep wanting to call his character

george but the actor is george

george siegel uh oh yeah uh

so such a stark contrast from his

character in like look who's talking

sure he's just like this horrible he's

basically howard in in luke is talking

he's a divorce attorney type character

but um the director here obviously

gilbert cates

uh didn't direct a lot but he also

directed oh god book two which

we'll be discussing later this year it's

not a good sign when you have two movies

come out in the same year

but um we'll see maybe that one's better

than i remember it

um the writer john herman shainer

this was his last screenplay um he'd

also written the 77 version of the

island of dr morale

which is which is very bizarre it's not

it's not the uh marlon brando one though

right no no this is the michael york

yeah uh he he also wrote going south

which is a movie my dad loves i have yet

to watch it with him

uh he keeps trying to get me to watch it

and that's um

jack nicholson and i think actually i

want to say it's

shelley duvall is also in that oh really

it's a shining reunion hold

on no sorry it's mary steenberg oh okay

but i also got really excited that uh uh

john herman shainer also wrote an

episode of rat patrol

what is rat patrol it's this really

weird

uh world war ii uh series

with rats no um it's uh it's about

uh like uh sorry i'm trying to bring it

up

but it's like not coming up here while

you're looking that up i want to mention

that he also has several acting credits

including

dr phobias farb in the 1960 version of

little shop of horrors

which is the roger corman one um

and he also played a cop in the garbage

pail kids movie

oh god yeah rat patrol was a world war

ii uh took place in north africa about

just a patrol

like in jeeps out in the desert yeah uh

and

i always just remember the show just

because i

i watched a hell of a lot of tv growing

up

yeah um i i was often just kind of like

left with the tv yeah it's not a

parenting thing

my my parents wanted me to go outside

and go play it's like frank cross

type situation yeah i was like no i'm

going to stay home and watch tv instead

because this is more interesting

so i watched a lot of crazy shows that

were that were just run during the day

because they weren't popular anymore so

yeah

doktari rat patrol uh

you might as well be speaking another

language to me right now

that's the one where the doctor would

work on video games that were broken

right um doctor was like the swiss

family robinson meets flipper or it's

just like a family living out

in the in the savannah and they have all

these that actually sounds familiar they

have like

lions and monkeys that interact with the

kids and stuff like that is this

supposed to be doctor and safari mixed

together

uh i want to say it was their last name

but that's not that actually makes more

sense

and they solved crimes like oh poachers

solved crimes

um but uh yeah so like i always remember

like like rap patrol was another

looks like re-run show

so i uh i was digging through the cast a

little bit

or the crew a little bit i i noticed

that the uh

assistant editor i think it was

marion seagal oh really so she so she

was married to him

when this movie came out so then they

had gotten married when they were like

you know 20 22 or something like that

and uh

and you know this is well after that so

they had been married a very long time

but she was in a she must have been

yeah she must be an editor on the film

uh along the same lines the director's

wife at the time

not his wife now because he divorced and

remarried but his wife at the time

sculpted all the sculptures that you see

mari working on

because it says sculptures by something

kate's

and i looked it up and it was his wife's

name um

let's say june or jane cates something

like that

um but yeah george seagal is jeff

thompson obviously

for some reason the first thing for me

is always going to be just shoot me yeah

even though he's in so many great things

i love him and who's afraid of virginia

woolf remember that

uh where's papa movie oh my gosh yeah

with mod

yeah yeah that we did a double feature

of that in herald and mod at the new

beverly

yeah i was trying to remember what it

was paired with but i couldn't i

couldn't find it

yeah it wasn't here it was harold in

that yeah and oh that's

so good the last shot of that movie is

so confusing where he just like resigns

himself to like

play the memory of his father for his

mom yeah it's such a strange movie

i'm here mama um

he also did the voice of dr benton

seaquest on the 96th version of johnny

quest

yeah he and uh john de lancie both i

can't remember who which one of them was

first

oh i can't see that their voices are

similar uh but yeah they

they either traded off or one was

eventually replaced and like you

mentioned

before he was mikey's dad and look who's

talking yeah he's like this terrible guy

his biological his biological father

yeah an important distinction john

travolta is the obvious adoptive father

in that situation

um and uh he's also in hundreds of

episodes of the goldbergs which i

haven't really watched much of but i'm

sure he's great there's

hundreds of episodes there's hundreds of

them wow it's been on for a while now

i did not realize it's even got

spin-offs i think

um natalie wood is mari thompson um she

shows up later this

year in willie and phil as herself

so it's not considered a role in a movie

because she's just it's a cameo as

herself

um she was a child actress in the 1947

version of miracle on 34th

street i looked that up i didn't realize

that was her yeah that's like

that was her first huge thing um was it

her first thing or her

first huge thing she had acted a little

bit before that but that was like

maybe her first feature because i want

to say uh

was it auntie mame no the ghost of mrs

muir that's what it was

oh that's right she was she was the the

young version of mrs muir

yes yeah but she was obviously also in

rubble without a cause west side story

she was

the the girl that was kidnapped in the

searchers john ford's the searchers

good stuff uh i always and i always try

to pitch this movie as much as possible

inside daisy clover oh yes it is a

terrific

look at a darker hollywood

version of a star was born like just

about

using her as a means as a product to

sell

including getting her married so they

could have a actor wedding and

have their press talk about it and just

to sell movie tickets

yeah all the gross stuff that probably

still happens to this yeah it's just

it's it's a really gross and upsetting

movie

about becoming famous in hollywood and

she is glorious in it

yeah um valerie harper we said before

obviously rhoda

um on uh mary tyler moore show and on

her spin-off rhoda

and she also passed away in august of

last year

so fairly recently um dom deluise as

walter holmes obviously we had him in

fatso early

earlier this year and i think he's the

first like major actor to have a repeat

role so far

yeah in our viewing um priscilla barnes

played helena dryden

of the drydens of the dryden drydens

that was one of the couples i think one

of the lovey-dovey couple

she played terry alden in 70 episodes of

three's company yeah

and she was also della churchill and uh

licensed to kill

which was felix lighter's fiance oh yeah

um who was murdered on their wedding day

um that's uh is that the first timothy

dalton one

second second living daylights is the

first one oh i always mix them up

yeah let's license the kills one where

he goes rogue and it's got a

couple of weirder zanier things that

happen is that the one where they go

down the hill on the violin or the cello

or whatever that's lovely daylight

okay living daylight has some great

action set pieces

yeah they both do honestly timothy

dalton's an underrated james bond yeah

licensed sickle's got some good ones

including the most horrific death for

benicio del toro where he's

ground up in a giant meat grinder slowly

what about the guy that exploded in the

in the like vacuum tube oh yeah that's

license to kill too yeah

yeah and that was anthony's derby was it

really that's funny

um we need to rewatch the entire bond

series again sometime again

um oliver clarke was max dryden helena's

husband and he played the reverse

psychologist in mystery men

do you remember that psychologist i

don't know who that guy was this one

i'm guessing he's someone that came to

audition yeah one of the auditions like

it just runs through so many people

um and then we mentioned uh sandra curry

before as

lainey whose sister uh cherry curry is

in the runaways and shows up later this

year in fox's she also played

zach galifianakis's mom in the hangover

series opposite jeffrey tambor

jess what do you think is this a watcher

um

you know i really enjoyed it but i don't

think that it's necessary to watch

okay hmm

um yeah

yeah i kind of agree i i did i did enjoy

it

and uh like and i i and i left and i

thought and i think it's a good story

but

uh and and it's gonna probably end up

being high on my list

uh for the year down the road uh for now

but uh yeah i i think you can you could

skip it as much as i love natalie wood

yeah i i tend to side with you guys on

this um

it's a funny movie and the dialogue is

is

worth checking out if you're an a

special fan of any of this cast then

maybe check it out but it's it's not

something that i would say you have to

see if you're

trying to work your way through the

decade um

what about letterbox where does this go

for you uh

so i i really liked it uh i i put it

pretty high on my list so far for the

year

uh i put it above here hero

at large uh but just below the fog

okay uh also the same

except i have american gigolo in between

the fog and hero large but

uh so i actually put this below american

gigolo

but above hero at large okay

um for me uh this movie is going

um i'm putting it in third place

after my brilliant career but uh

just above simon uh

so i think that's where so my brilliant

career the fog

this the fog my berlin carrier this got

it sorry

i'm that sorry that's mine mine is the

brilliant career frog i'm the only

person with the fog on top of that

um i guess technically i will always

ever talk about those

those two um i think that's everything

for this one

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midnight madness

which wikipedia describes as the city of

los

angeles is the game board as five teams

of college students

attempt to win the great all-nighter a

dusk to dawn competition dreamed up

by an eccentric graduate student david

naughton and steven first are paired

with a grab bag group of fellow students

including michael j

fox in his first feature film appearance

we leave you now with the audio for the

trailer for midnight madness

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