we're on a mission from god

wendy so i got that going darling

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welcome to vintage video where we're

re-watching the 80s so you don't have to

we're reviewing every major film release

of the 1980s in real time

i'm patrick o'reilly i'm jesse bayless

and i'm richard wells

and today marks the 40th anniversary of

the release of coal miner's daughter

on march 7 1980. it was written by

thomas rickman

based on loretta lynn's autobiography

and directed by michael aptid

and released by universal pictures which

i know because i work at universal

pictures

we have posters for the movies that

universal released and this is the first

one where there's a poster in my office

what's interesting not in your office

office it's in my

our suite it's in your area yes didn't

you say you get to request a poster for

yourself once

i've seen it i've seen this movie uh yes

i can request a poster

and i will be requesting a poster of the

best universal film

magruber to put up in my office

a little making of talk uh beverly

d'angelo and spacek do all of

their own singing here it's amazing

pretty impressive yeah you know it's

interesting so after because i'm not

super familiar with loretta lynn music

and

uh so after the film i went back

and listened to a bunch of her songs on

youtube is it pretty spot on

no i like space explosions better

oh man that's rough

you know what though i i think um reese

witherspoon's a better singer than june

carter

after i watched walk the line i was like

uh this is better than june carter

i mean it's probably more processed well

that's what i was gonna say i mean i

think that

we're we're looking at it at a different

time

you know what what what we like in music

is not necessarily what was going to be

popular

in sure you know the 60s and 70s and

it's

not it's definitely not the same sort of

yeah like you say processing and

yeah and i i felt like um in places some

of her singing sounds like buddy holly

esque like there's like little hiccups

in her lyrics i don't know if they both

do that yeah i think they they

they both do that like she she

definitely you know takes takes a note

and

you know sort of flips it or i don't i

don't know any music terms so

flipping notes flipping notes

oscillating uh that sounds like sounds

that sounds like a term sure um

loretta lynn was in the audience when

 spacek accepted the

best actress oscar for portraying her

coincidentally jake lamotta was also in

the audience

that night to see de niro accept the

award for playing him

i think it's interesting um because i

think that now

when people do movies that are um

you know biographies of people they work

really hard on

on making accuracy look like that person

oh sure so they like they don't even

just have to be a good actor and

and pull off the the accent or the

mannerisms but they really want them to

look like them so i think that a lot of

recent films that we've gotten

they they go to great lengths to do

extensive makeup to make these people

look like them susie spacex looks

nothing like loretta lynch but loretta

lynn picked her specifically for this

role

i wonder why she must have just been

impressed by something else that

had done at the time so tommy lee jones

does look

a little bit like her husband and her

husband was

was really mad about anyone being cast

like he was like i could play the

character like it doesn't matter

it doesn't matter that i'm much older

than i need to be but that totally

sounds like something the character

yeah that's what the actual person who

would do absolutely

uh i believe harrison ford was also

attached yeah at one point

to play him uh which is funny because

it's the fugitive and the criminal

of the fugitive um which i think that

was what

he got his oscar for right tommy lee

jones got an oscar for the future dude

for the fugitive i think so because he

was like the leader of the

party yeah yeah but pretty sure he got

an oscar for that

i think that's his oscar he i don't

think he has another unless did he get

one from

men in black three i guess it would be a

supporting role

because he could brolin does the heavy

lifting in the third one

one one oscar

wow for the fugitive yeah good coal and

he came back to the character for us

marshalls

yeah which was extend a carbon copy of

the movie yeah but

well was but it was from the the the

marshall's perspective

more yeah where the fugitive like splits

at about 50 50.

right right and the the second one had

uh robert downey as they

did it really yeah i saw it in theaters

i haven't seen it since then i just

remember there's a scene where they're

shooting at

headstones in a cemetery yeah yeah um

but uh i should rewatch that because i

like tommy lee jones

um joedon baker passed on the role of

doolittle

which i feel like he fits too really

yeah that's another good casting choice

um

but yeah so uh we start the movie with

uh

loretta basically following her father

to a coal mine where he works

um and we're we see the depressing

conditions of

that line of work explosives being set

and blown up underground and like

contained air spaces and people inhaling

all this

coldly carcinogenic stuff it blows my

mind that

that is the way we did that and it's not

too terribly different from the way we

do it now which is just

it's mind-boggling um

we mind going you're off the show

richard

all right um new show um

doolittle is bragging to a crew of the

miners he's not he's not one of the

miners here

but he's bragging to them and taking

bets on whether or not he can drive his

jeep up

this really steep incline nearby um and

a bunch of them including uh a william

sanderson character dollar hyde

yeah um are throwing all their money at

him because they're like there's no way

he's gonna get up that hill

i was so surprised to see him in this

movie because

a dollar hide yeah william sanderson

yeah william sanders

i was like isn't that the name of the

witches but i was like it is it's just

the same name yeah yeah

yeah so he um you know he i know him

from deadwood but he's basically looks

exactly the same as he does what 20

30 years later for sure they they had

seen this on his

right and they're like yep we're hiring

that guy because he's perfect

i always go to uh blade runner for him

oh okay as the the kind of i never go to

blade runner for anybody

maybe rutger hauer i even i feel like i

could go to hobo with a shotgun or

a hitchhiker what about daryl hannah

splash

or kill yeah yeah

everybody else is in that movie is more

famous for something else in my brain

well what i liked is that william

sanderson reprised

a similar character in the batman

animated series oh interesting

of a guy who's creating robots to

replace people

that must have been a get for them when

they were like oh man we got the guy who

plays this character in blade runner to

play him for our show

yeah exactly that's cool

he's got a very distinctive voice he

does it's great honestly i'm surprised

he wasn't a voice in rango somewhere

because

he'd fit right in with that cast yeah um

but uh basically dollar hyde after

seeing doolittle win all these people's

money he's like oh this guy's like a

go-getter i'm gonna hire him

to to run russia and for me and rob

people

yeah run moonshine and steal moonshine

um

but apparently they have a history that

doolittle has worked for him in the past

when he was younger um even though he

looks way older yeah

i'm older than this man but in in the

movie

at this point uh he's supposed to be

like 24 or something like that

um so some city miles on you yeah

well he's supposed to play doolittle

from age 24 to age like 44. so

um they didn't switch actors here so we

get an older looking tommy lee jones

playing a 24 year old but um dollar high

tells him that

his choices are moonshine coal mine are

moving on down the line

um and so he basically agrees to work

for him

stealing and transporting moonshine he

does not agree

he doesn't well no that's because that's

the whole thing it's like

uh because william sanderson immediately

gets shot

well i thought he got shot while they

were working together no because the guy

at the when he's hauling the body away

says you know it's good that you turned

him down otherwise you'd be there with

him

oh okay i for some reason i thought that

the implication was that he lied about

having being working with him or

something like that

no i i think the implication was that he

did not take the job he was not

interested okay

he didn't want to be a duke of hazzard

uh i

i love uh loretta's father in this

because he's

he just tosses out all these like pearls

of wisdom he's like easily the most

intelligent character in all this show

yeah but

it shows like how that intelligence gets

wasted in these communities in these

minds like yeah so many people are

throwing their entire

lives down into these holes in the

ground and she just doesn't want to be a

part of it

yeah but you know when he gets to the

top of the the hill and the jeep

he says well you know he did all that

work to become the king of the pile of

junk you know

it didn't mean anything yeah um but i

also like when they're when they're

going to the store and says time to give

the company back its money

yeah because that's the whole thing

about coal mining is that you they set

up all the shops in the town

yeah so you have to buy all your stuff

from the

company store you know the song you move

16 tons and what do you get

when you're older deeper into debt

that's right

uh and so it you know you're just

getting like this

this dynamic you're essentially an

indentured servant

right because you know you you barely

make enough money

to to build a life for yourself in the

meantime you're squeezing out kids your

family's squeezing out kids

and your life ends at 40. yeah because

of black law

and most of these these hardships and

in the lyrics of loretta's songs yeah

throughout the rest of her life

yeah um at a party or like a fair

doolittle is hosting an auction of pies

which

correspond to the girls that baked the

pies it's kind of like uh

the groundhog day scene where they're

betting on

on bachelors yeah um and you put in a

bid and then

presumably you're buying a date with

this girl but they're

here they're at least laundering it

through baked goods

[Laughter]

to make it less perfect to make it less

like prostitution

doolittle shocks the room by bidding on

loretta himself and gets in a bidding

war with

uh another gentleman in the room who

thinks this is cheating

but uh ends up settling out at five

dollars

which adjusting for inflation is only 40

14

in 1993 bucks which is significantly

less than the 339.88 that rita bids for

phil connors

wait why are we adjusting it to 1980

groundhog day okay

because i'm dumb and i had time to do

math

um she refuses to get in his jeep

after he wins the day so he ends up

having to walk her home

uh well they all they also they also

really hammer home her

ignorance right she's terrified of cars

in general

but she also mistakes uh salt for sugar

so she has either trouble reading or

trouble identifying

small white grains she's obviously not

taste testing any of this as she makes

it

because he's disgusted by it he tries it

and and she is 13 at this time

right well she's almost almost 14. oh

but he's

23 or 24 or no i think he's 22.

he's 22 22 or 23 because i looked it up

and their age difference is only eight

years

like they play it up like it's a much

bigger deal like it has been in previous

movies it is a big deal when you're 14

and he's 22. not when you're in a coal

mining town

i guess but i'm telling you that's a big

deal

22 is middle-aged in a coal mining town

for a dude yes

so nowadays that's considered rape

and i also thought it was interesting

that they made her 13 going on 14

when she was really 15. not that that's

much of an improvement

yeah but that why would you know to make

it even seem more shocking i guess that

they made her even younger

right in the reality of loretta lynn she

was 15 when she went

when she married him yeah okay yeah

because they'd only known each other for

like a month

a month and that is the same is true as

well but they just

for some reason slid her age down more i

guess

because 15 to 22 wasn't enough for an

audience to be like

oh that is an age difference so they

were like let's make her even creepy or

younger

um but on their second date uh he

impresses her by getting his jeep to her

house at all

because they live up in the mountains

and uh so she

is obligated to hop right in and they

kind of disappear for the rest of the

day

um her parents are pretty pissed off

about it and about the age difference

oh actually it's only six years they're

only six years apart

so it's in the movie it would be 1913

and 19

or 14 and 20. but the

the real life doolittle and loretta were

only six years apart

um they try to scare her

off of him by telling her that

you know she's got her whole life ahead

of her and she shouldn't be throwing it

away on some guy here

but he doolittle comes back and

surprises them by

asking for their their approval

their blessing and neither one of them

wants to talk to him

really yeah he goes in and asks her dad

and he's like go ask her mom

and then he asked the mom and she's like

go ask the dad and hilariously

uh loretta's like answer to this was

like

wait till they're in bed because then

that's the only time at which they're

both in the like together in the same

room so you can like and so he literally

does like they're both asleep in bed and

he burns she's back in the middle of the

night

barges into their bedroom he's like hey

i want to marry your daughter

and she's like well i'm assuming that

our blessing isn't going to

prevent you from getting married if we

don't give it and he said well no i'm

probably going to do it either way but i

would prefer to do it with your blessing

but the dad

lays out like two rules he's like you

you never

you never hit her and you don't take her

away from me

right um so on day one he rapes her

spoiler alert

he does both but also um

as much as you can be like well wait no

you had a verbal contract with her

father like why does that matter at all

like what

what say does her father have in like

the conditions of him being

like it's her choice that's how that

works but also it's like

it wasn't a terrible condition the

hitting thing but i don't know why her

father is trying to doom her into living

in this town

that seems like a weird thing for him to

do he should want her to get an

education and leave

i mean obviously he wants to see her but

and she'll do one of those things

yes she will leave she

catches him cheating like a day after

they got married

well it's a recurring thing yeah that

like both in

in the film as well as in her songs

like cheat cheating is just sort of like

a thing you have to deal with as like a

woman as a wife you know and

for the most part it is the other

woman's fault right it's totally totally

and it's just like and it's always about

like

getting your men back and and you're you

know getting rid of the other woman and

this you know not about like

you know blaming him or getting

retribution

or anything like that yeah i mean the

whole song that she writes later in the

movie is

you ain't woman enough to steal my man

or something like that it's like

literally just like hey lady stop

letting my husband cheat with you

but you're women am i right seriously

so then uh after basically raping her on

their wedding day

and slapping her around because she

raped yeah um then he cheats on her

immediately and then tells her hey i'm

moving to washington

and i'll send you money when i have it

saved up and you can come join me in

washington

so well we're kind of skipping over the

fact that

as soon as she she's thrown out

right she goes back home and she's

pregnant

like you know like the father says oh

you're getting fat and the mama

immediately goes oh god yeah and uh

and when she gets in the car with him

here after he's trying to like flirt

with this other girl she's like

oh i just got back from the doctor and

he's like oh are you sick and she's like

yeah i'm pregnant and he's like happy

about it yeah like you could tell he's

already

that well this is great that was kind of

a sweet moment where he was like

genuinely pleased by the fact

and then uh he does move to washington

but true to his word he actually sends

money for her to come

along and uh her dad takes her to the

train station

and standing at the at the train station

on the platform

he basically says to her i'm never going

to see you again

and she says oh we'll we'll visit you're

going to see me again and then he says

yeah but you won't be my little girl

when i see you again and then the train

pulls up and she gets on it and

it turns out over the course of the rest

of the movie this he's right she never

comes back

during his lifetime i mean i don't is

that true that she never

sees him again after that because he

died pretty

not super long after she left for

washington i mean long enough for her to

have four kids

yeah it seems like a while to not have

gone back and visited your father i

don't think that

people traveled as often at the time i

mean i suppose

it took people not in that socioeconomic

yeah it took him a month to save up the

money to

to bring her out to washington with him

and so uh

so we cut to washington where she's

already the mother of four children she

was

just pregnant when we left and we've

fast-forwarded four kids

which i'm assuming is four years or five

years like it seems like they're

they're in a routine where she's getting

pregnant every time she has a kid

she's sings sings a song to some of the

kids to help them go to bed

um and some of the lyrics involve

raising the titanic

maybe it'll turn to something

that'll raise a titanic someday

which is the name of a movie that we

will cover later this year

called raise the titanic it's been like

we said four or five years

and uh they still don't have a phone

installed at this house

so their neighbor has to run up the yard

and says oh

uh tell loretta her mom and dad called

to wish you guys a happy anniversary

and this is like doolittle being like oh

it's our anniversary i should

i should make a comment to indicate that

i remember that it was our anniversary

right and so he goes back into the house

and he's like hey we got our anniversary

coming around uh

is there anything you want and she's

like well i still don't have a wedding

ring

and he's like oh that's great and the

next day he goes to like a pawn shop to

get

like a crappy wedding ring and he's like

these are all really expensive how much

is that guitar

and uh and then he gives her a guitar

which she does not know how to play and

has shown no interest in

but he flatters her by complimenting her

voice and saying

oh you're a really good singer i'd love

to hear you play guitar while you were

singing you could

you could learn how to play this thing

and she does over the course of like the

next couple months she plays the guitar

around the kids and

slowly teaches herself how to perform

these songs and

then doolittle kind of ropes her into a

surprise performance at a local hockey

talk well it seems like it so

but but he set it up as like a date he's

like we got one of the

babysitters you know like this is

something that clearly they

never do right he tricks her into it

right so it's supposed to be this

special evening where he's gonna like

take her out on the town

and they get there and then he forces

her to go up on stage and play

and it's so left field that when he

first brings it up he says i was

thinking maybe we go out to a honky tonk

on friday

and she's like together it's like no no

separately or like one of us would go

it's like of course we would go together

um and so they hire a babysitter

presumably and they go to this

place and uh then she finds out she's

like on the playlist

to perform that night because doolittle

thinks that she's gotten good enough

that she could

perform a song that she wrote in front

of people on stage and she kind of has a

panic attack

because she was tricked into this right

but she does it

she does fine but before that she like

runs and hides in the bathroom and he

has to go talk her into it

i love the moment when the lady like

peeks over above the stall

after he's like verbally abusing her

telling her she's gotta go out there and

play

he's like are you so are you so dang

stupid and uh she's like i am not stupid

i'm

ignorant and i just love that she makes

that distinction multiple times she's

like

i can figure things out i just don't

know them yet yeah i don't think that

this scene

is i don't i don't think that the scene

is accurate to the way it happened in

real life because it seemed a little bit

more

gradual uh because uh the wikipedia page

about her said that she started a band

with her brother

and oh interesting yeah so that none of

that was in the movie yeah

yeah none of the conway twitty stuff was

in there either yeah

they gloss over a lot um i don't know

because obviously i haven't i haven't

read this autobiography i tried to find

it i couldn't i couldn't get an audio

book in time for this and i don't have

time to read

this whole autobiography per per episode

of the podcast

but um it seems like

this story and maybe the autobiography

reads this way

takes all of the credit for her entire

career

and gives it to him that other than

a natural inclination for being able to

sing or

to write songs that became popular he

did all of the work of getting her

career off the ground and he had to drag

her kicking and screaming

into her own career i mean it does it

does feel that way the way the movie

plays i don't know

i don't know how the book plays and

maybe that was the case but it just

so much of it felt like it was taking

all the credit away from her

and giving it to him i know that she

claims that like

i mean she fully admits that they they

had problems along the way

sure um you know that they they had

their fights and they you know and

he wasn't always faithful but like she

just she still says that he was

her life right but here like she didn't

even want the guitar

and then she had the guitar she didn't

want to perform in front of people

and he just said like basically i'm

gonna force you to do it against your

will

so just go do it but then he works his

ass off with those records yeah he does

that's not to say he didn't do all the

work yeah but but to say that

i'm not saying he doesn't deserve any

credit i'm saying she probably deserves

some and this movie takes away

anything that could be given to her as

credit for her career like

except except this talent this natural

talent yeah she has the ability to sing

but

he had to literally like throw her on

stage in front of people to get her to

perform

after the hunky talk performance goes

pretty well it seems like people like

the show

he books her at like a recording studio

and again she doesn't seem very

interested in being there she plays part

of a song

and then do a little basically tells her

to stop down for a second because he

wants to have a conversation with her

because he's realizing she sings better

when she has an

audience that she cares about and she's

in this like

sterile recording booth and she's not

getting the performance well she's

nervous and i think this is

this so he puts the kids in there and he

says just sing to these kids

say to him like you're at home sing to

this so he wants he wants her to relax

and just feel natural right and she

starts to sing the song again

no noticeable difference in her

performance but for some reason the guy

in the booth is like

hold on i'm going to get all the best

guitarists i know because that woman is

singing a rear end off

and gets a whole like really competent

band behind her

and they perform this whole song that

she's written and

get a record from it and doolittle

uh takes her picture at home tells her

not to put on any makeup and he takes

her picture

and includes like it as a headshot with

copies of this record it sends it to

every radio station in the country

see that must've been crazy like i mean

to to go

and make all those copies of photos and

records and then mail those big

envelopes out like

at that time that must have been a very

very hard expensive it's a huge

investment that you're making and hoping

that it will pay that's not

a casual endeavor that he absolutely

through there

so uh then the neighbor runs up across

the yard again

because they still refuse to get a phone

and says hey you got some

some bad news from home but this time

he's telling loretta not do a little

and when she first sees him coming

across the yard he looks like her father

dressed in all of his like gear from the

mine

but um but then he turns back into her

neighbor and he says

you got to call your mom in kentucky but

something happened

and her father has passed away um

so they go back to to their home and uh

they have the funeral for him

and uh she goes to cry by his grave

and tommy lee jones feels like super

guilty about having taken her away from

her dad

which is a thing that he promised that

he wouldn't do and some of the other

guys are like no no you're right to

get her out of here like she didn't have

a life here it would have been terrible

and he's like they're like it's all over

now and he's like no

it's not over nothing is over it's like

she's never gonna forgive me for this i

took her away and killed her dad

basically

but he drives a tractor up to where he's

buried in these like

these tall trees well i think he was

clearing the trees

basically says he made it easier for her

to get up next time it'll be easier

but then he also says hey you know where

there's a lot of radio stations that

play

our kind of music is right here in

kentucky we could go to those radio

stations in person and make sure they're

playing your songs

and your mom said she'd watch the kids

but i need you to commit to this career

100

right now because if you can't do that

then we're wasting our time

and she says that she wants it more than

anything and so they hit the road

um and it's kind of a cute montage of

them on the road

though for me this seems a little bit

crazy because they seem like they're

out on the road for a very long time

it's a big chunk of the movie yeah this

is a huge chunk of the movie which means

they aren't with their kids this entire

time right yeah which just seems kind of

mind-blowing to me that they that

they're just like oh we left them with

your mom

uh she gets to raise them now yeah

there's a few signs in this movie that

that they're kind of negligent as

parents

and it seems weird that this came across

with

their complete approval i mean it's a

different time period i guess but

like the fact that she doesn't know like

she can't tell her kids apart

later on in the movie yeah because she

has twins she just calls them twins

because she doesn't know

like what their names are it's like just

say both names if you can't tell them

apart

but um she just says hey twins come on

down they're like my name's not twan

but um and she named them but

uh so they go to all these different

radio stations the first one they go to

they're like hey uh we sent you a record

have you had a chance to play it and

he's like oh yeah i played it and just

sort of laid there

and they're like uh that's funny because

it's right here and it's still sealed

so you didn't play it and you're a liar

and you're a jerk and

he's like can you get out of the booth

because i got and she's i'm gonna be

live and it's going off

on him and tyler jones just kind of like

pushes her in further and then runs away

he knows like he's like this is where

her instinct takes over and i don't have

to worry about this anymore

and he's like oh can you get her out of

here this is going to be a problem if

she's still here when the mic comes on

and he's like look man you're going to

have to deal with her

she's probably going to be here all day

because of what you just did

and he's like okay fine i'm just going

to interview you on the radio then and

he does and he and he plays the song

which is really all they wanted but he

says her name wrong

but she corrects him and i couldn't tell

if that was on air or not when she

corrects him to say

because he calls her well because jones

she hears it from the car and goes hey

and then she yeah corrections as well

but i can't tell if she's actually

saying that on

air or if now the song is playing and

she's correcting it too late well tommy

jones heard it outside on the radio he

heard the wrong name

correct but i'm saying he doesn't know

if he's crazy he tries to correct him

she says

sloretta slow rattling not lorraine

loretta

and he says okay loretta but i don't

know if they said those two lines

on air or not i would say yes because

they're on the air

also it doesn't matter let's move on oh

you're missing my point

hold on i want to make this clear okay

he already started the song

so the mics could have been off when she

says my name's loretta and he says oh

okay

oh my god you guys that's what i'm

saying i don't think they're on the air

when she corrects me

i disagree all right we're gonna go back

to the footage and see if that on air

light is on

there's no indication in the film of

whether or not they're on the air

because no what i'm saying i'm just

kidding his face is so

red right now with rage but yeah

so they pull over at a store

and he makes some joke about her being

horny or someone being horny and she's

never heard the word before oh yeah she

says baloney makes you

he says baloney makes you horny and she

doesn't know what that means

and the shopkeeper is just like looking

shocked and they leave

and he never explains it to her yeah

but then when she's in the radio booth

she's talking to the dj

and uh says something about how they're

on the road all the time and he gets

horny all the time

and whenever he gets horny i'm like

spread me up one of them bologna

sandwiches

and they were like cut cut cut and they

like turn off the mics and they're

trusting the studio owner thinks he's

gonna like lose his

fcc license over this whole ordeal and

she's like i didn't know what it meant

and he's like i'm off that

dumb hillbilly act you know that ain't

no way

thank you dude that's my favorite line

in the movie i think it's like

it's not an act thank you thank you

she's like so flattered she's like no no

she's really ignorant um but then on

their way out

the host that she was talking to on the

air says

don't worry about that guy he's just

he's the manager of the place but as

long as you're on the charts they're

going to play your music

because he threatened to like never play

her song right but they don't

and they're like yeah so how do we get

on the charts and he's like

it's not an act you really don't know

you are number 14

nationwide shows them this newspaper

where they're on the chart yeah and then

they just start cracking up because it's

like what could have been a terrible day

for them turned into really great news

and then he basically drives her that

night straight to the grand ole opry

because he's like oh we're number 14. i

could probably get you a slot

uh in this weekend's grand ole opry show

yeah

so i've never seen the grand ole opry

like i imagined it to be some like

grand theater type thing so beautiful

it's it looked like a it looked like a

high school like it looked like a big

brick high school

well they they shoot it from a weird

angle on the street

just so that you can see the sign that

says grand ole opry but it's a huge

building it's a massive performance

center

okay it just didn't look that grand to

me yeah

well that's fair but yeah so loretta is

invited to perform

uh in the show uh despite the fact that

when she was talking to

the dj he was like oh you want to play

the grand ole opry oh you're gonna have

to put in your dues for years and years

and so now she's super nervous about it

she's like i didn't put in my dues i'm

just

i put in one do i was like i didn't pay

my news to be here i was like well we'll

pay him later

yeah so she performs on the show and

it's a hit

um doolittle is next door trying to

watch it on

a tv because uh we need something to do

while she's performing these songs and

inevitably it's

following doolittle away from the

performance to do something else

um because i guess they didn't think

that the song was enough

for an audience to be watching um so

every time she goes to sing a song we

watch tommy lee jones walk away and

see what he's doing somewhere else um in

this case it's picking a fight with a

guy

who is making fun of him for not being

the breadwinner even though

he does almost if not all of the work

for

her being in any position to sing here

and they get into a big fist fight

then we just cut two after the

performance she's she's been invited to

come back

doolittle's got like a fat lip from the

fight

and uh and he tells her she was great

and uh

lies about how he hurt himself she's

invited back

to multiple times i guess she she

performs for

for 20 something days right right

on the on the lineup for the grand ole

opry but she takes a break to do

a private event like a

uh for patsy cline who just got in a car

accident right

um her husband actually meets her at the

opry and says

hey um patsy heard you sing her song

and uh she would love to meet you

and uh so she's like are you patsy cline

wants to meet me

that's incredible and uh and she goes

and meets her at the hospital

where she's all bandaged up um and i i

did like the line where she turns to her

husband she's like did you bring me that

beer and her husband's like right here

he got into my jacket pocket cause i'm

assuming the hospital was like no she

can't have alcohol yeah i like that she

then is like give me my straw it's in

the top drawer so it's just like clearly

she's done this before and she keeps

straws on hand

yeah this purpose um here loretta's a

little bit

she's nervous uh because she's just

saying patsy klein's song on the radio

and she's worried she's not mad at me

for singing your song are you and she's

like

no i'm just worried that people think

you're saying it better than i do

which is crazy because patsy cline is an

incredible singer

and beverly d'angelo is an incredible

singer um

and uh i every time they play a patsy

client song in this movie i'm like oh

this is a really good song and every

time they play loretta alone song in

this movie i'm like

meh i could say i could or leave it i

feel like the lyrics

in the loretta songs are not good in

almost all of them well they're very

simplistic but they also like they're

kind of clunky they don't flow really

nicely

yeah like patsy klein's lyrics are very

like

romantic and poetic and they flow nicely

from one line to the next

and loretta's are kind of like clunky

i don't know i don't know how better to

put that um

but uh but they become like best friends

basically um

patsy and uh and loretta here the

subject of many uh

a story yeah including i think there's

one uh like an amy or

lifetime movie coming out about their

friendship currently getting work done

yeah something

pretty recent interesting um

but yeah uh while they're on tour

together

uh because patsy invites her on tour and

they're on the bus all the time

doolittle catches um loretta wearing

makeup again

at patsy's suggestion presumably and

tells her

not to do that um but loretta is getting

a little bit of courage from

patsy to talk back to doolittle and say

well no it's my career and i can do what

i want

and uh he shouts at her and they get in

kind of a screaming match

and asserts himself to the point that

even patsy is afraid to like speak up at

this point on the bus

yeah i mean he's definitely feeling

threatened here as a man because

she's obviously the one her career has

gotten to a

cruise control point right and well and

she's the one supporting both of them

and that's

right definitely emasculating for him

sure and there's nothing he can do now

to prevent

her from making the money like he was

doing all the work before but it's like

she doesn't need that engine going

anymore he could just stop

and she goes and does her performance

when she finishes she finds him

like basically drunk in a car with a

with another woman and

uh she this is par for the course for

her so she just opens the door and she's

like you give me my husband back

he's like hold on let me grab my parrot

sweetie because he's just got a big bag

of like a bunch of parrots that

presumably he wanted like a fair game

right let me get my parents baby

and then she goes back to the car to get

the hat um that

do a little left on the girl in the back

seat because she's like she cares so

little about this person that she might

as well have just been like a hat rack

she's just like whatever give me my hat

back we're gonna go

and this is when she sits down on the

tour bus and writes that you're not

woman enough to

to take my man song in the car and he's

like

what gave me the idea for that song

she's like what do you think

uh later in a another parking lot

doolittle

like gets really really angry and

actually starts hitting her

for wearing makeup and they're together

with patsy and a couple other people

right everyone gets in the way loretta's

able to actually like smash his hand

with something or yeah it hurts him

um but they get away from him everyone

gets in the car except for doolittle and

they kind of strand him in this parking

lot i think she actually breaks his

finger

yeah i don't remember how she did that i

think she smacked i was she was kind of

smacking her with her bag like her purse

but she's at her hotel or wherever

they're staying for the night when he

walks in because he had to walk from

whatever parking lot they were in

um and he basically tells her hey

i shouldn't be uh i shouldn't be doing

this anymore

like i don't need to be on this tour

with you and uh it's

obviously causing problems and he

basically is stepping away from managing

her career and is saying

there's other people here that can do

this better than me he's gonna step back

and just kind of be a stay-at-home dad

basically and so we do get little

glimpses of him with all the kids

driving around and

i mean i don't know if he's totally a

stay-at-home dad because he did say he

wanted to go just be like a truck driver

or something

a mechanic yeah

that's right because but he still has a

lot of time with the kids now right

compared to what he was getting before

right

which was none because they just left

their children with their mother

but she's home with him one night and uh

in the morning the radio says that patsy

cline

has unfortunately passed away in a plane

crash yeah

which is like a nutty thing because they

didn't know where the plane was

oh really like they they knew the plane

had crashed but they weren't sure where

and a bunch of looters found it first

and stole a whole bunch of our stuff and

it

they it took a while to recover some of

it they wanted to check it down but they

started there are some some things that

have never been recovered that's crazy

same thing happened to carol lombard i

think when she crashed into las vegas

they never recovered some crazy ring or

something that she had on i think that

was a

an episode of um you must remember this

that goes into that whole story

for as big a part as patsy played in

this story there's really not

they don't dwell on this for very long

uh lorena gets up to make a phone call

and kind of collapses but before before

the before patsy died we have a scene

though of her

at patsy's house and she admits that

she's pregnant again

so you know she seems kind of bummed

about it i think uh maybe

because she said she's been having

babies since she was 14.

yeah and so you know it's been it's been

a while because she had those

you know four kids all in a row and now

she's got

as we find out later twins uh on the way

is she considering an abortion at this

point

i don't know if that was the implication

but patsy like quickly is just like

oh no this is great this is wonderful i

have all these maternity clothes for you

so

it seems like she was just being like

super amazing and supportive and it's

just like yeah i'm your friend we're

gonna get through this this is all good

don't worry about it

you know and then and then we cut it

straight too right she's like this will

get you through five months and

you can wear this on stage and and then

we see the next morning yeah

she decides when she finds out that they

are twins that she's going to name one

of them after patsy

um what were the patsy and peggy with

the two who is there a peggy in this or

yeah peggy i think is her sister oh okay

from here the movie is a little aimless

um yeah

we we just kind of get bits and pieces

of loretta having a hard time on the

road

uh she's forgetting lyrics to songs

maybe they're new songs

that she doesn't quite have down and

they're making her perform them right

away or maybe she's intoxicated like i

wasn't clear on that

well she's been taking medication for

headaches right and we're not sure how

this medication might be affecting her

or if she's just

been on the road for so long that she's

and she doesn't have dew fighting for

her

yeah and the and the the lyrics are all

just starting to blend together in her

head

yeah she keeps turning back to the band

and they're giving her like a few words

to like

coach her into the the verse and then

she gets that and then she turns around

she's like all right what's the next

part like i need

i need more and fans are getting kind of

crazed at this point they're like

grabbing at her hair as she's coming off

stage and things like that i'm not just

grabbing at him one fan grabs it and

like cuts a piece off

yeah and she's going to the bus so she

wakes up at some point in uh

in her tour bus and she's calling for do

because she needs his help

because she can't work the little like

the realtor reel to get the lyrics the

next it's the real of her song and

she was told to learn it and she doesn't

know how long she's been asleep so she's

like worried that she's like already

missing her show

and she starts freaking out when she

gets outside she finds

do and he tells her everything's okay

and he walks her up to the stage

and the stage manager's like oh you're

here early you know you still got 10

minutes and

you know just goes to show you how like

how horrible this schedule is that like

seeing her 10 minutes early is super

unusual yeah uh

but the other the opening act is is

still

on the stage so she still had 10 minutes

before she was supposed to go on but she

just starts

walking right out there like nope i if

i've got to do that like she she tried

to get dude to

tell him like i can't do this like she's

like i'm done i can't do this

you got it you got to tell them and i

think the implication is basically that

her career is being mismanaged by these

people who have stepped in to take due's

place

i guess they're just working her too

hard because i she didn't have any of

these problems when doolittle was in

charge of her

career or it just mounted to the point

that it just was you know she wasn't

taking care of herself well enough

maybe but either way you know he doesn't

step in to protect her in this place and

she's like no no fine i'm gonna go out

i'm gonna do this and she goes out

and then has a heart to heart with the

audience yeah instead of going into a

song she just like

tells them a speech about how much she

loves doolittle and how

things are difficult right now and she

basically collapses off stage

into his arms basically like he's he's

walking through the audience up to the

stage as she's talking about him

and she passes out and he catches her

and they walk her out of the building

then we cut to a house that he started

building on a hillside

and uh and he tells her this is gonna be

the bedroom and she's like no it's not

you should have talked to me about this

earlier you didn't say anything

and and this is despite the fact that

they have not only a massive house

but a huge amount of property in her

ranch right and she's like

now multiple times has been referred to

as the first lady of

country music which i guess was her

nickname at the time

which it like in itself is dismissive of

her

like like calling her the first lady of

country music implies that

doolittle is the president of country

music no i think somebody else would be

another country music singer would be

the president oh okay

it just seemed like like it's just

another way of referring to her with

like a spouse nickname

instead of just calling her well it's

the american equivalent of being the

queen

yeah but i just feel like just call her

the queen of country music like

you called elvis presley the king before

this because this is america

but elvis presley was from america he

wasn't the president of rock and roll

she had other nicknames that were just

as dismissive

what were the other nicknames well i

mean she was the honky tonk girl

and uh she was dishwasher

countries mute country music's first

girl singer

beautiful qualifier in the middle there

the second in command of guitars

and this list of her nicknames does

include the queen of country music okay

good

uh but she was also the deca doll i

don't even know what that gecko was

a record label oh okay well she's the

decadal and then the blue country girl

interesting or not blue country blue

kentucky girl blue kentucky okay

but yeah they're arguing over the house

because the

argument devolves into like okay fine we

won't build the house i'm sorry and

she's like no no i just don't want the

the bedroom here it needs to be on the

other side because when the sun comes up

it'll be in my face

there's no point to this scene i guess

it's supposed to

be like them coming to an agreement

about their relationship is that

you make these decisions and you just

tell me this is the way it is and never

include me

i want i agree with you but i want to be

included

in the decision-making process which i

think is kind of

interesting because it's at odds with

the fact that she's you know

in in in this relationship the power the

power dynamic team

seems to shift back and forth between

them where it's just like well she's the

breadwinner

and everything hinges on her career the

entire life that they have hinges on her

career

but at the same time dude just totally

dismisses her all the time

yes and and before this i don't remember

another scene where she was upset about

a decision that he made without her

like this is the first time that they

have that kind of argument except that

he forces her to learn the guitar and to

play at a country bar

and to so she's mad that he started her

country music career well

he didn't tell her any of these things

he just did them

that's the argument he's she like he

said she didn't disagree

but she wasn't consulted he just does

things

okay i'll take that

um and that's about it that's the end of

this film yeah

pretty much is there anything i'm

missing here no i mean that's that's

pretty

pretty much the whole thing uh

anticlimactic

most autobiographies are unless the

person dies in a hellacious ball of fire

the problem is that when a person

survives to watch the oscar

be handed to the person playing them

it's gonna be inherently a less

interesting story

because it's just like yeah what what is

the story here it's it's a

a girl that was poor played songs and

became rich

and the most traumatic thing that

happens over the course of the movie

aside from her father dying which

happens to everybody at some point

is a friend of hers dying which we don't

dwell on for more than like a scene and

a half and her husband was kind of

shitty but at the same time made her

career

yeah and for the time that's a that's

like a you know he's a top 10

husband he's in the top 10 percentile i

would say

right no it's for that time period no

we'll let you marry him eric tommy lee

jones

this was directed by michael aptid that

name sounds familiar

uh i'm not going to come up with any of

them no

[Laughter]

what i always think of is the 7-up

series yes

thank you that was that is exactly what

i was thinking of um which 63 up just

came out

um but he also directed nell gorillas in

the mist

apparently he directed the james bond

film which i didn't realize but he

directed the world is not enough

and also uh voyage of the dawn treader

which is one of the chronicles of narnia

movies right

this was written by thomas rickman who

had adapted tuesdays with maury into the

1999 tv movie with jack lemmon

uh i didn't know there was a tv movie of

that i think that's the only version

that i know of yeah i think i think this

if you've heard of a tuesdays with more

it might even no no i i i mean i didn't

know there was any film version of that

i thought

okay what i'm saying i i read the book i

didn't i

i would totally watch a movie i didn't

even know there was a book what

i honestly just knew the jack lemmon one

because we had it at the blockbuster

that we worked at

yeah i knew it was a book and i'm pretty

sure that i also knew that this was the

only adaptation that's been done

was it any good i have not seen it

um the autobiography that the script is

based on was obviously written by

loretta lynn well actually it was

written by loretta lynn and

george vexi which he didn't have any

other credits so

i don't know who he was i don't remember

a george in this story that would have

co-written unless he's just the ghost

writer for her autobiography

that she like told her story and then he

wrote the book

she obviously has a lot of soundtrack

credits because she's loretta lynn

um and she was loretta wentworth in an

episode of fantasy island

 spacek as loretta lynn uh

obviously

uh she won an oscar for this

um she was in badlands carrie

probably carrie's probably the biggest

yeah i didn't know her from anything but

carrie

um three women which is a really great

movie robert altman movie with shelley

duvall

she also plays the mom and hot rod

opposite ian mckay oh yes

she's so great in that movie uh tommy

lee jones here is doolittle lynn

apparently his his feature film debut

was in love story

where he played like a roommate or

something like that he was in jfk

uh fugitive batman forever and probably

men in black is

like one of the first things i think of

for him you know that's not his oscar

role

and also no country for old men yeah

amazing

um and william sanderson we said before

deadwood blade runner

um he was in last man standing which i

think is

is that i was gonna say not peck and paw

oh the western with bruce willis

i i uh uh yes but

for some reason i went to the uh the tv

show

i was like really he was on that he's a

he's also a

another true blood alum oh is he on

there yeah along with lois smith

we just had that's awesome and then

beverly d'angelo obviously

uh patsy cline mostly known as ellen

griswold i would say

she was also barbara miller in 25

episodes of entourage

who is like ari gold's mentor and a

competing agent in the

hollywood scene and she does the voice

of lillian lumpkin

which is obviously a direct reference to

this film actually i relooked at the

wikipedia page and there's not a lot in

common

with the exception of homer basically

forcing her career to get started

like taking her to record an album and

seeing that it gets played places

aside from that like it was it was never

a part of this story that

she was trying to sleep with her manager

who was married to another woman

so really the the the similarities end

with

homer having convinced her to record a

record

yeah um but the wikipedia page does say

that the

the entire episode is a reference to

coal miner's daughter which is

coincidentally the only episode that was

written by matt greening himself

like by himself not written with anyone

else

i think it's important to call out the

editor as well arthur schmidt

oh okay uh because uh like he's you know

he's he's a huge zamekas

guy so you know yeah he's he won an

oscar for forrest gump

and for roger rabbit uh he did all the

back to the future movies he did a

pirates of the caribbean movie

uh the rocketeer uh so he's he's got a

lot of

a lot of things under editing credits

under his belt yeah that's awesome

i missed that because we mentioned that

she won an oscar but it was also

nominated for best picture

uh nominated for screenplay

cinematography set direction best sound

and nominated for editing

yeah uh so it was a very well received

critically yeah film uh especially for

how early in the year it came out

yeah march is not the awards season at

all yeah

that this movie had such an impact that

people remembered it

to the voting days sure yeah i mean in

i mean i suppose because so that in in

the 80s were the oscars at the same time

a year

so like in theory the oscar season is

the same season as it is now

pretty much yeah it would be like

september to december because i know

that the summer blockbuster thing

wasn't necessarily a thing until well i

guess that's maybe started happening

like around mid 70s yeah yeah sometime

around there

so i just want to like get the right

context for the time of year that things

are coming out

up or down jess uh i

i don't think it's necessary to watch

richard i give this film went up uh i

it was slow and predictable and

and just but i i enjoyed it

okay um i'm going to give it a down also

just because

i mean it's a competently made film i

think the cast does

everything they're supposed to and i

think michael aptoo did a great job

directing but

there's there's not much of a story here

i don't know

what people read in the autobiography

that made them think this needs to be a

movie

because i just didn't i don't feel like

there was there was much to her story

i totally agree and it's i don't think

that it's it's it's a bad i don't think

it's a bad movie at all

i i think that a lot of things about it

are great i just don't think it's

particularly interesting

what i do think is kind of interesting

though is this is one of the only times

i feel

that uh that

rural poor are represented like

really accurately in film like i don't i

don't think that you kind of get this

glimpse

of of what the you know life of somebody

living

in i mean where are we i mean butcher

holler

yeah i love holler at the name of like

an area where you live

it's so much cooler than like town or

like anything hauler is just my favorite

you need to watch justified that's what

you need i watched justified i i got

really excited when the camera was

panning during the montage of the map of

kentucky and it passed by harlan and i

was like hey

harlan county where does uh where does

this land for you on letterboxed uh

so i think i put it

oh this is tough

i think i put it oh i don't know

this is really hard it's gonna get

harder it just keeps getting harder

every week

um because because the movies that are

all right that aren't bad but aren't

great are all just sort of

grouping together right now and so

there's very little distinction and it's

really hard to decide when

the movies are very different you know

because i'm looking right now at

um you know like last married couple in

america

foxes and hero at large and trying to

put it somewhere in there

and those movies are all very very

different

it's right in between last married

couple and foxes for me

that's that's kind of where i'm leaning

towards um

yeah i think that's i think that's where

i put it under last married couple and

above foxes

yep that's the exact same for me yeah uh

mine is also next to foxes but it is

uh below foxes okay uh and above

american gigolo all right

yeah i think we all felt kind of the

same way about this

although i think richard's thumbs up

starts lower than ours does on the

on his list but yeah i think that's

about it for this one uh if you guys

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next time

when we will be discussing death ship

which iodb describes as

a mysterious ghostly freighter rams and

sinks a modern-day cruise ship

whose survivors climb aboard the

freighter and discover

that it is a world war ii nazi torture

vessel

spoiler alert we leave you now with the

trailer

for death ship

[Music]

death ship it came out of the night

[Music]

searching signal him to all the course

we have sir

[Music]

killing all but a few saving them for

the hell

aboard the death ship

this old ship seems to have a life of

its own

not so bad we're out of the water

it's a nice day huh we can clear this

mess up

play a little shuffleboard get a tan

death ship where evil lives in an

endless nightmare

and where those who survive are better

off

dead

[Music]

death show your holiday in hell

[Music]