we're on a mission from god

wendy so i got that going darling

looks like i picked the wrong way to

quit sniffing blue light

of my life we enjoy your films

i thought they smelled bad on the

outside

[Music]

welcome to vintage video where we're

re-watching the 80s so you don't have to

we'll be reviewing every major film

release of the 1980s in real time i'm

patrick o'reilly

i'm jesse bayless and i'm richard wells

and today marks the 40th anniversary of

the release of defiance

on pi day march 14th 1980.

it was written by thomas michael

donnelly based on a story by donnelly

and mark tulin

and directed by john flynn this is the

second film

for us that's been released by american

international pictures who previously

released

the um mad max international release

um they were founded in 1954 but 1980

was the last year they were in operation

we will cover all six of their releases

in 1980. they went out with a bang yes

uh

making of this is our second bruckheimer

production also

um after american gigolo and this film

is mostly famous uh historically for

having inspired a stalker

to attack actress teresa saldana

reading from the wikipedia page here on

march 15 1982 saldana was stalked by

arthur richard jackson

a 46 year old drifter from aberdeen

scotland

jackson became obsessed with saldana

after seeing her in the 1980 films

defiance and raging bull

he obtained saldana's address by hiring

a private investigator to

obtain the unlisted phone number of her

mother and posed as martin scorsese's

assistant saying he needed saldana's

residential address to contact her for

replacing an actress in a film in europe

geez they're creepy this is a really

elaborate drifter from scotland yeah

yeah scottish drifters always be wary

i just like that that is the only claim

to pain this movie will have

um jackson approached saldana in front

of her west hollywood residence in broad

daylight and stabbed her in the torso 10

times

with a five and a half inch knife nearly

killing her oh

merely killing her his attack was so

fierce that the blade bent

although there were many onlookers

including children the attack was

interrupted only when a delivery man

jeff fenn intervened after hearing her

cries

rushed to the second floor of an

apartment building and subdued jackson

she recovered after four hours of

surgery and for

a four-month hospital stay at the motion

picture hospital she relived the

incident in a made-for-tv movie

victims for victims the teresa saldana

story and again for an episode of hunter

which i'm not familiar with that's just

one of those like law and order style

shows that does a fictional account of a

real life

attack but she had to act out her own

attack twice

fictionally yeah the attacker

served 14 years in prison for the

assault and

making subsequent threats against her

and her rescuer while in prison

he was then extradited to the united

kingdom in 96 to be tried

for a 1966 robbery and murder jackson

who once saw himself as the benevolent

angel of death was found not guilty by

diminished responsibility in 1997

and committed to a british psychiatric

hospital where he died of heart failure

in 2004

at the age of 68. so no longer a threat

uh jackson's method to find and approach

saldana inspired

robert john bardo to hire a private

investigator to contact

rebecca shafer a young tv sitcon star

who he subsequently murdered oh geez

also in west hollywood july 18th of 1989

so that's a little bit of backstory

about this film and what happened

as a result of it and another film

obviously i mean

i was surprised you know when you said

that you know she had like oh she had a

stalker oh that's kind of but also it

was

it was so that story was so

inspirational yeah

that it caused somebody else and then it

says here that

after explaining the entire plot on a

podcast

no

don't murder anybody there we're in the

clear i said don't murder people

uh they found they found the three

podcasters in their garage

the killer had a zune in his back pocket

full of

vintage video episodes we're not even

sure how he got them on there

this film belongs to a sub-genre of

vigilante films called nobly racist

vigilante films

ah yes yeah that i think charles bronson

uh popularized

uh we start the film tommy has been

kicked off of a boat

in new york i i was already on board

because

there was no opening credits right and i

was like oh great we're just getting

ready right into the story

yeah and then it tricked me yeah and

then we have eight minutes of opening

credit

we got a little cold open here um he's

stuck for six months in new york because

somehow he like

lost his siemens license yeah basically

they don't really go into what caused

this other than some sort of a

disagreement with some guy on the boat

you need a license for semen apparently

only to carry it yes

concealed carry license for semen

i hope to god it's concealed the

the license or the you have to conceal

everything

everything should be concealed it seems

like he beat up either the captain

or an officer because there's a guy

who's got like some injuries on his face

and kind of like they lock eyes yeah

guys

uh but he says as he's getting off the

boat i put up with that guy's [ __ ] for

six months or something

like that yeah so it's like does that

mean that eventually you didn't you

didn't

that that would be the assumption yeah

yeah i'm assuming he's like a

he's like i don't know it's a long

shoreman isn't the word

but i'm assuming he's he's in some kind

of union that you can follow

ravens with that would give him a

suspension and

uh which is but it seems like the

i don't i don't know what the rules are

but it seems kind of really unfair if

you spend your life

on a ship living from to so you could be

suspended from one for six months

and then like just say you can't go on

these ships don't suspend them from

every boat like you can

you have to find a place to live and try

not to die

yeah with your zero dollars but he also

so he's getting escorted off the boat by

what seems to be a friend

yeah uh who presumably just went back

got back on the boat and left with

everybody else after he walked him off

but he turns to the guy and he says and

this doesn't pay off anywhere later in

the film

he says when you get to bremen take some

flowers to mara tell her i'm sorry

so like he had a girlfriend presumably

or

something some kind of a relationship

with a person where they were supposed

to be going

i'm pretty sure it was a prostitute

that he's paying him flowers yeah you

have you have your lady that you go see

maybe they don't play him off as that

kind of guy for the rest of the movie

but maybe

and now he's not going to see her for

ever

well i guess ever but yeah but

uh so he wanders into a bar and the

bartender

tells him yeah it sounds like he got a

crap deal um

but my brother-in-law owns this

apartment building and you might have a

place to live there if you want it

and then he says have some more orange

juice and he pours them what looks like

just vodka

yeah yeah something um but like i don't

know why you would recommend

somebody go stay at your brother's place

or i met this great guy he has no job no

money

no prospects he's real down in his luck

you should give him an apartment

he can't do anything for six months

guaranteed and then we get the montage

of dilapidated new york over the opening

credits lots of people standing on fire

escapes looking into the alleys behind

their apartments it seems like that's

what everyone

does in new york i guess you just stare

at people out of windows and doors and

balconies

because you can't go out on the streets

because this fantastically

costumed street gang is running around

you also can't go into your apartment

for some reason

i just love the way gangs dressed in the

80s according to movies

yes and according to like every grand

theft auto map

it's wonderful it's so much more

flamboyant i think than gang stress now

i feel like we should go back to the

days

when you know they decorated themselves

very elaborately

yeah yeah this guy looks kind of like

zoro-esque

the leader of the souls and then like

the subsequent like the second

command is like straight out of the

warriors yeah yeah and then there's

there's also one of the guys looks like

axel rose like he's got like

long blonde hair and a ponytail with

like the handkerchief over his head

that's like our

tolkien white guy because we wanted to

make sure that we

made sure that multiple sides

yeah it's a very diverse cast yeah

um lots of different shades of brown in

this game

tommy finds the brother-in-law's

apartment building uh

and he walks with his like duffel bag up

to the

stoop and leaves it at the bottom of the

stairs um and as he's walking up to the

door the gang is coming down the

sidewalk and they see it on the ground

and they're like

no littering or something they pick it

up and throw it up to the top of the

stairs i thought they were just being

helpful yeah

they throw it to them and then they

smile yeah and i was like

oh well that's i guess that's

intimidating i thought they were just

gonna take it

yeah yeah right or like kick it or tear

something out of it yeah just like

take take your bag take it up into your

room yeah get this stuff off the streets

we're out here cleaning up the city

[Laughter]

but yeah they both smile like the gang

leader smiles at him and he just kind of

smiles back at him

tommy goes to see karinsky for a job and

he likes the first line he's just like i

need a ship karensky

and then kaminsky's like well i'm not a

magician you know i'll do what i can i

but you guys are always asking he's like

karinsky i need a ship

i forgot what the next line was so i'm

going to say the first line again but

more forceful

yeah all right like that was the point

in this movie for me where i'm like oh

yeah i know what we're in for and this

isn't good yeah that was the first

indication that the that

this one did not get a golden globe for

screenwriting he finds out that if he

wants to work on one of the panamanian

ships that he needs to be able to speak

fluent spanish

right which of course he does right he

insists that he does

right cut to a vinyl record

of learning language how else do you

learn a language in the 80s

i mean aren't don't cassette tapes exist

at this time

i actually don't know i know that there

were eight tracks in the fog

yeah but uh maybe it's a matter of

the equipment that he had yeah i guess

she did have eight tracks

all right cassette tapes came out in

1964. so i'm gonna go with the yes

yeah yeah well cassette tapes have

changed too over the years like

an a-track is a cassette tape also i

mean i guess we can just assume that he

picked this up like a

secondhand goods store and he's just

like this is all i got is

this record he doesn't have a lot of

money to throw around but records

like what per side is like a max of like

10 minutes maybe yeah it seems like he's

only gonna learn like 12 words

yeah but somehow he's on this same

record all night

but yeah so he's trying to learn spanish

and the neighborhood kids are making fun

of him because they can hear it through

his window

and he leans out to try and talk to one

of them and his upstairs neighbor

pours a bunch of water on his head

because she's watering the plants on her

uh fire escape and you think in a

neighborhood where you see

everybody out on the fire escape all the

time that

you'd check first yeah you you would

check before

well maybe she happened to know that

that apartment was vacant

but um and all the subsequent apartments

below the sidewalk

yeah well is he on like he's on the

third floor so he's not super high up

but yes all three are empty um

and uh she's like oh my gosh i'm so

sorry i didn't see you down there

and proceeds to just walk down and walk

into his place like she dropped a flower

pot on his head it's like

no no i literally just sprinkled water

on you

doesn't matter to anyone you wouldn't

have even gotten out of your window

the fire escape seems to be the

preferred mode of enter and

exit for all of these buildings right

yeah throughout the movie yeah she

doesn't just

go down to his place though like she

barges

in through the window right and she's

also not wearing

like daytime clothes in any of the

scenes of this

yeah the entire movie she's she has a

different mighty for every

everything gowns and all like like sexy

nightgowns and all of the scenes

except for the most appropriate attire

she wears when she's bowling right

exactly so she walks into his apartment

and just starts like commenting on all

of his crap

and she's like oh my gosh you're a

painter i didn't know you were a painter

it's like i didn't know you existed

until five seconds ago

know anything about him why didn't you

tell me you were an artist i haven't

said a word yet

i i i do i do like that this is just

happening

yeah she's forcing this relationship

he just walks away yeah he just goes to

the other room and she's like oh yeah

she's like still talking in his living

room and then she hears the door closed

and she turns it to like oh

he's not very friendly danny aiello is

out on the street

posing with a fish that he caught oh

it's this is the best

because like this whole thing is like

happening and it's like this weird

slap sticky where people keep trying to

get in the photo and he's like yeah

don't you not use the camera

yeah but the fact that this is happening

at all is very bizarre to me yeah i'm

just like you're in the middle of like

the cities yeah you're not like on the

dock you didn't just catch this just get

off the boat you're not on the boat

you're in the middle of the street with

a giant fish in your hand

taking pictures of it this this is a

100 a sewer caught fish yeah that's why

he's so proud

a sewer cod fish yeah yeah from the

storm drains

what you say that that's a thing i'm

saying it's a thing

not a thing uh but i like that he's the

one from new york he should know

i'm not from new york what are you

talking about you've spent more time in

new york than we have i haven't even

been i've never been to new york city in

my life

well where do you catch your sewer fish

uh but he hands it off to somebody while

he's trying to talk about the camera

but but then you know the weirdest like

most cartoonish moment

he lifts up an invisible fish as if he's

still

holding yeah like he doesn't realize yet

that he's not holding it anymore

and he he where's that where's my fish

i i felt really kind of bad for danny

aiolo at this moment like he's like oh

okay

yeah you know this is this is it he's

not the only actor i feel sorry for in

this

i mean obviously theresa saldana didn't

need to get stabbed ten times over this

movie

not that she should get stamped for any

movie i don't know that this movie

really needed to be

named as the reason like i think raging

bull by itself could have been like yeah

he fell in love with her and that's it

but this guy this movie called out

nothing to do he called out defiance

specifically um

but yeah so the it turns out this kid

that was with them on the corner took

the fish

and immediately is running with it um

danny aiello and the rest of the guys

are catching up with him so

as he passes tommy's stoop he throws it

into tommy's arms

which coincidentally danny and all these

guys live

in the same building right with tommy

across the hall

but they just happened to be you know a

few blocks away when this chase started

where he caught the fish probably

is that really what they're implying i

don't think so no

richard's just making things up now i

feel like if that was the implication

they would have shown him pulling it out

of like a sewer grate or something

but anyway uh the kid throws the fish so

fresh maybe he's just like

look at this huge fish i just bought

like he's just that

picture with this fish i bought uh tommy

just catches this fish

standing on his steps and it just like

basically lands straight across his arms

but it's bleeding all over him yeah yeah

yeah and uh

it is bleeding when when he gives the

fish back to danny aiello because

danielle comes around just

wet it wasn't bloody he has blood on his

arms

all right all right you have to re-watch

it now i've seen

it twice fine but uh when danny ayo

comes around the corner he's like what

are you doing he's like seeing her

talking to my fish what's it look like

i'm doing it

he's like he's talking to his fish it's

a wise guy why don't you give me my fish

back and then he gives him his fish back

and he just laughs about how his arms

are covered in blood

because this kid threw like a wet fish

at him

so he goes back into his apartment to

work on his spanish lessons again

but but we're also like following danny

aiello for a while

like i'm sure you know too long of a

while i was like oh are we are we

changing focus on this film to danny

aiello

uh because it goes like just follows him

around for a little bit and then it cuts

back to

but nothing nothing of consequence

happens yeah and this happens a few

times too because it happens with the

gang members too where they're just like

so what's up with this guy what what

what's his story but nobody knows

i'm gonna talk to this random old man

who came into this bar for ten minutes

yeah but uh so yeah tommy is is uh back

in his apartment trying to learn spanish

but there's really loud music playing

from across the hall where danny aiello

lives

and uh all of his buddies from the from

the sidewalk earlier

are in there listening to music and he

starts pounding on the door and he says

look you got to turn that music down i'm

working here and they're like get a day

job

laughing at them and they turn their

music up and

he takes a basketball and starts

throwing it at a wall this is such a

childish

competition to be like oh you want us to

turn our music down

we're going to turn it up then and then

he goes and he's like

okay well i'm going to throw a

basketball at the wall and your stuff's

going to fall off the wall

and then you're going to turn your music

down because you don't want your stuff

to fall it's like well no

they'll just they'll come and beat the

crap out of you and

take their stuff down so that it doesn't

fall off the wall anymore

but somehow this works and they turn the

music down because the guy's throwing a

basketball at the side of their

apartment

this is our first instance of defiance

yeah

this is this is exactly keep track folks

tommy uh heads down to the local grocery

store and befriends abe

played by art carney yeah uh he's the

local grocer

and uh he asks if he can basically use

the phone as his own phone

until he gets his own phone set up and

abe says yeah that's fine i'll just uh

i'll shout into the

courtyard whenever someone calls for you

and if you don't answer i'll assume

you're not home and i'll hang up

and if you do answer then come get it

man phones were weird in the 80s

yeah it's

i think because i i still think they

even had party lines in the 80s

yeah and for those who who are listening

who are two people i know what a party

was i don't know

now you could just walk right into a

party but you used to have to wait for a

while before you could go into a party

so for those who are listening who don't

know what a party line is

often uh several homes or buildings

would

share a phone line and you know you'd

have to wait for someone to not be using

it

or be a snoop and listen in on other

people's conversations

but uh yes because people weren't making

as many phone calls

traditionally back in the day yeah i

just think it'd be interesting if he

actually

called up towards the apartment building

and the guy's like oh yeah i'll be down

and like five minutes later he walks

you know across the block to come answer

the phone like who's gonna sit on the

phone and wait for this guy well he's

coming

and he's only on the third floor so he

even makes the point like oh i won't

have to yell as loud if you're only on

the third floor

like he does this for people on the

eighth floor of the building

but uh while he's in the store while

tommy's in the store with abe

a gang walks in and just takes

everything they want and then they say

put it on our master charge which i'm

sure is code for

thanks for the free stuff that that he

has their card on file

yeah no exactly there's there's a

running tab

and they maybe they paid him a bunch of

money in advance

so they would have a credit um probably

not though

uh tommy leaves the store and one of the

gang members is basically following very

close behind him

until tommy turns around and he and he

threatens to

bend a six-pack around his head yeah

which i thought was a weird way to say

anything well you know those uh little

plastic

things of the six-pack oh you're

threatening to like sea turtle him

was like oh man i'm gonna slowly choke

you as you grow over this ring

i'm gonna put plastic straws everywhere

you swim

the guy's like kind of shocked that

tommy even turned around to say anything

to him and he turns to look at his guys

across the street

and the rest of the souls are like whoa

who is this guy that he doesn't just

put up with us following him around he

seems really defiant

defiant act two of defiance

uh but then tommy decides to go ride the

subway for no reason

yeah and then use the subway bathroom

really all he needs to do is go home and

learn spanish still

yeah where where he was going to or from

we don't know all we know is that he

brought one a six pack of beer and two

his watercolors like he brought a bunch

of paint

and it's literally like a watercolor

easter i didn't know you were an artist

i'm

just surprised the gang didn't you know

pick up on that yeah why didn't they

why weren't they so shocked but yeah so

they they follow him into the subway

and uh beat the crap out of him yeah the

worst choreographed fight scene maybe in

the whole movie

i wouldn't even call it a fight scene

like like i hate

fake fake kicking in fights yeah it's

terrible because

it's like you didn't even pretend to

kick though like they pull their legs

back and they never even swing them

forward toward the actor

like they're being so safe that they're

not doing anything right cooper huggaby

gets whipped

and django unchained yeah he's like

actually bleeding

it's like that is real but like i don't

like you don't even

as an editor understand that like

they're just like these

long shots in this bathroom here where

they're pretending to kind of kick him

and push him around a little bit like

you know you're supposed to like cut

away

just to kind of hide those action points

but nope they just linger on them

and that one guy even swings a bat

towards him and it clearly just hits the

wall on the outside of the bathroom

stall

but it but he like reacts to it like he

got hit and it's like no no we saw the

bat

stop like we saw where it made contact

with the wall it didn't hit you

but um it's a badly choreographed scene

and they

take his paint when they're leaving

because they're like oh cool free

free loot and uh they go to

uh a nearby club where they do their

business yeah the scene is

completely unnecessary but my note is

what is this scene about

yeah okay so i was really confused by

this scene so yeah so in the scene

you know we see we see him at this club

and um

you know he's there you know the leader

of the gang is there with like this

girlfriend

and he gives her the pain gives her the

pains she is playful with it and like

put some red paint on his nose which

again like i'm not sure why they do this

and then this guy comes up like an old

an older gentleman

um you know also probably

puerto rican or or whatever ethnicity

this

you know the same as the gang and he's

very respectful

super respectful and so so i'm thinking

okay cool

so this guy is basically like down in

his luck and needs help

and so and the guy basically gives it to

him i'm like oh are we trying to

humanize this gang and say

does he yeah does he need help

doesn't he just sit down and say i got a

job working somewhere

in brooklyn and then he leaves he

doesn't ask for anything and he doesn't

get anything in return no i think he

does get something

maybe not maybe a misunderstanding but i

thought he he like gave him something

because he said thank you

and left and i thought oh he's we're

trying to show that this gang is like

you know that they're actually good like

they seem like they're a nuisance and

they're a menace but they're doing good

for their community

but then that doesn't you know come to

fruition at all

for the rest of the film that's not what

this is about i didn't get that from the

scene i got that

that he was maybe coming to look for

assistance

and changed his mind when he sat down

well because

angel like says something to him and

then he says thank you and i think it

was more just like hey

good job a good job yeah like good luck

out there and i felt like they were

trying to

bring to mind the scene from the

godfather on the wedding day

when people are coming and asking for

favors and he's like dealing out justice

to people

yeah but nothing happens in the scene he

sits down and he says

hey just so you know i got a job washing

dishes at this place down in brooklyn

so i'm going to be doing that and he's

like all right well i wish you the best

of luck

and then he makes some joke about like

oh yeah

i'm a stock broker and he's like well

you could have been

like hinting at like that he had some

potential that he's wasting on being

this gang leader

but then they never come back to this we

never see this character again

we never see him deal with anyone else

in this club again and it just it's

totally pointless

what i thought the point of this scene

was because and i was very confused for

a long time for the movie

i thought that his girlfriend was the

neighbor

oh okay and i thought that they were

pulling a rumble in the bronx

where like the girl like the one that's

supposed to be helping him

is yeah and but but it's but she's

actually

tied up with this gang and you know

because it's just what she does

yeah uh to stay safe and you know maybe

she does care about the guy and

so then she finds him in the hallway

it's like oh man now she's seeing like

firsthand what what the gang is actually

doing to people well i was like much

less interesting movies

yeah so that's why i was trying to

rationalize this scene and i went back

and was like wait this isn't her

yeah what was this scene what was the

point of this whole thing they could

have cut very easily from

him taking the paint to her finding his

body at the bottom of the stairwell at

the apartment building

i guess the passage of time to me to

make it seem like he crawled his way

back to the apartment

yeah so uh she finds him there and

starts calling for help

and then we cut to him waking up at her

place

which is the second time this year that

we have seen

uh somebody get beat up and have to

spend the night in the neighbor's

apartment

yes the vigilante waking up in the

neighbor's bed

which is harder to reach than his own

apartment because she's up another floor

she carried him past his door to her

door at least when we saw it in the

hero at large earlier this year like his

apartment was like

locked and you know inaccessible by

either of them

but neither of them is paying rent

that's another thing they have in common

then the story takes another left turn

and uh we meet

uh the kid and wacko um

there's a a literal child like an oliver

twist of the

of the streets and he's hanging out with

luca brazzi yeah

as then obviously the actress name isn't

luca brazzi but he played luca bronze in

the godfather movies

um so that's what i'm going to call him

and character's name is wacko and he's

like

seems to be mentally handicapped yeah

he's the next professional boxer who

probably

the implication is that he took one too

many hits to the head right and he's

just not

totally with it and he's as much a child

at this point

as the actual child and the two of them

together are finding garbage that they

can sell to people

and they they claim to make an okay

living doing this scavenging is a

good business but they're just picking

up like rocks and poking them with the

knives that they have in their hands

like it doesn't look like they're

actually like

they're not going through a recycling or

anything hey if you can convince a guy

to buy these rocks and you get money for

us

all the power to you like the pet rock

the guy made a million dollars

he calls tommy ambassador for some

reason

oh because he's learning like a foreign

language oh okay so he's like pretend

oh they he makes a joke yeah i'm the

foreign ambassador or something like

that

okay i forgot about that but you're

right but yeah so he's calling tommy the

ambassador

as he walks up and he says oh have you

guys seen the sewer alligators

and they're like what are you talking

there's no alligators in the city and

he's like

no sewer alligators there's it was a

thing a while ago a bunch of these kids

had pet alligators and their moms were

flushing them down the toilet and then

they came down the sewers and bred and

they said they're getting like 14 feet

long down here

and he's like no i never heard about

that and they're looking down a pipe and

he

hucks a rock into it to freak them both

out but that's actually the plot of a

movie

called alligator that we will be

reviewing later this year but also it's

just a classic urban legend right which

apparently you have never heard of

i hadn't heard of it but coincidentally

that is the plot of a movie later this

year that's

that's relevant and interesting right

i mean maybe maybe this was just the

height of of the

the alligator urban myth you know that

maybe well uh there

was a famous story here in which an

alligator was released

in i believe it was echo park um

and people had seen it and it would have

been trying to attack smoke

and they drained the whole echo park the

lake didn't they but like

like they had like crocodile hunter

tried to come and get him and all this

stuff really

uh i remember this it wasn't that long

ago it was like three or four years ago

yeah uh

i mean it also could have been crocodile

he would he would have passed away or

maybe he had tried to get it

i'm trying to figure out because his

name's reggie

uh but anyway they caught him the

crocodile's name is reggie yeah yeah uh

they caught him

uh and uh but yeah he had been living in

the lake

because someone had a pedagogue pet

alligator and couldn't keep him so they

just let it loose oh my gosh

and it grew just how do you feel if you

read on the news later like

oh an alligator climbed out of echo park

lake and ate a two-year-old that was

walking with its parents it's like jesus

like why did you do that

um so obviously this is a modern this is

like

the the urban legend is this

yeah yeah uh these weird scenarios but

uh

but like like you said it must have been

a part of uh popular culture that

that rumor to the point that someone was

like i'm gonna write the movie version

of that

well i mean this this reggie alligator

wasn't until

it says 2005-2007 here oh okay

but i'm sure that there are incidents

before that especially you know in

new york but you know that that is a

classic

urban legend that probably predated any

actual alligators being in sewers i

don't know

you don't know how long sewers and

alligators have been around

i feel like it's also like one of those

things like a city would do it's like we

got so many rats in the sewers what can

we do

what if yeah we released like a mao like

here's what we're gonna do it's a

terrible idea

um yeah if you if you give

a sewer an alligator it'll ask for a

glass of milk

all right so wikipedia is telling me

1930s

is the origin of that urban legend

that's when the sewers moved under the

streets instead of just on both sides of

that in a trophy

tommy uh and the kid

and luca brazzy go to a movie theater

and the kid goes up to buy a ticket and

ladies like

why where's your father and he's like

he's right over there and she's like

okay three dollars

it's like why are you selling this kid

tickets to a porno movie theater because

they go inside and it's a porno yeah as

long as you go to porns with your dad

it's totally acceptable well you might

bring along a mentally incompetent yeah

why couldn't whacko be the dead

yeah like why is he never thought of

this before

because wacko seemed to have no problem

with this either

but uh so the three of them sit there

and they don't leave when tommy figures

out what they're watching he's just like

oh this snarky kid

he puts on his glasses like hold on and

say

i need to focus on

should we show the souls for a second

just throwing garbage at a street

cleaner going by at night just just

hammer home that these are terrible

people that like

even people just working their jobs for

the city or just getting assaulted for

no reason yeah

everyone in this neighborhood is afraid

of this gang yeah

uh marsha answers the door in her

underwear again

and tommy asks her if she would like to

go on a date

and she's like well i'm busy right now

and he's like well will you still be

busy later and she's like well no

i could maybe eight o'clock i was just

gonna say eight o'clock

you were a legitimate phenomenon so when

he goes to pick her up she looks exactly

like zuul

she's just wearing like the exact zulu

costume from ghostbusters

and he takes her to a bowling alley

where she immediately covers up with a

coat because she's embarrassed about

being overdressed uh but i like this

montage of her just being terrible at

bowling and then finally

like it's one strike it's one strike and

everyone like all the league people are

like

crowd around her and they're cheering

her on i was like okay

this is cute

[Laughter]

so after they go bowling he takes her to

the docks and shows her

a boat it's not his boat nope because he

doesn't have a boat if he did he would

be on it

so this is just a boat yeah th this

isn't like

romancing the stone where he has a

picture of the with the angelina the

boat that he wants to get back

yeah it's it's literally just a boat and

maybe it's a

particular like style of boat that he

likes it looks like

a museum boat it doesn't look like a

boat you actually take

out yeah but um she's like oh so you

like boats and he's like yeah one day

i'm gonna get on a boat and i'm just

gonna sail out of here and i'm never

gonna come back and it's like

yeah that's it's called shipwrecking

that means you died but then we cut to

them

in her bed presumably just after sex and

she says

so you served in the navy and he says

yeah and she's like you spend a lot of

time on these boats with just other men

and he's like yeah there's no women it's

just men and she's like and

you just don't you get lonely and he's

like well no we just

sleep together and in beds and she's

like really

and he's like well yeah sometimes you

know you're out

see for a long time

why do i believe and then she just

immediately

like thinks that oh well he's obviously

joking so i'm going to beat him up

because that's that's not funny to me

and she calls him irish and it's like

is he irish i i don't know what is uh

can we look up jan michael vincent's

nationality or ethnicity

don't read too much about his wikipedia

though is it is it dark as i think it is

it's pretty dark multiple drug

uh drunken drug arrests car crashes

duis abusive husband yeah uh

he in and out of rehab was like oh man i

know he had a lot of problems

this is a very sad story he kind of

looks like um

if you took a rowdy roddy piper and he

took away his steroids and you gave him

a wasting disease

see i i i was comparing him to like

the poor man scott glenn okay cause like

this is definitely a scott glen roll

sure i am not fighting his nationality

but his grandfather

was a bank robber and counterfeiter in

the 1920s and 30s

well that's pretty cool maybe he started

the rumor about the alligators

that was in the 30s he said that's his

long gone

gone because grandfather's still waiting

some say he's still waiting to leap out

at a child

from a sewer grate give me your

i'm an money give me your money why do

you need money alligator

i'm 140 years old

this was a bad plan tommy finds

the a group of the souls attacking wacko

in an alley

it's basically the same thing as

throwing garbage at the street cleaner

because he's not doing anything to

anyone he's literally just walking

through the alley and they're beating

him up he doesn't have money

he doesn't have anything they want uh

they just think it's funny to hit

a [ __ ] kid adult yeah

and so he intervenes on wacko's behalf

the kid's not around

um and he stops the fight and basically

danny aiello sees it happening from

across the alley he's like oh i forgot

we could do that

that's so cool we can fight back good

for that guy question mark

yeah he goes home and there's like 10

rats

strung up like decorations over the

doorway to his apartment

and they spray-painted the bird's souls

on the wall in his living room like

it was already a garbage heap of an

apartment who cares that it says souls

on the wall yeah the rats were a mild

improvement

i mean i just want to see the shot of

like them

catching 10 rats and then painstakingly

tying

their little feet onto them across the

roof

and it just seems like so much more work

to hang them up than it would be to take

them down

just trash the place like don't hang up

rats like just just

just be like you know it was actually

really it was actually really easy they

just hung up fly paper

and the rats just got themselves oh

there you go yeah just climbing on the

ceiling also

rats are a very specific message

in like the gang and criminal underworld

and he's not a rat he didn't

call the police on them right right all

he did was intervene in a fight on

someone's behalf

like a rat is the wrong the wrong symbol

for this disagreement should have put a

horse head in his bed yeah there should

have been

ten horse heads strung up across

the doorway um but then danny aiello

stops him on the sidewalk and he's like

hey let's go get drunk and i was sure

this was the beginning of a trap

oh totally 100 yeah

um and he gets him like falling down

drunk yeah

and i was like oh here it comes here's

where the rest of the guys are going to

come out and attack him

and no they're just the best of friends

it's

it's like he's impressed they buried the

hatchet by going out drinking

classic guy stuff who cares about the

fish

it's all good i'm not even mad at you

for getting my fish away from that thief

and giving it back to me

wait why was i mad at you it's a very

it's very similar to hudson hawk when

danny aiello

like comes clean and yeah grant is like

it's like or sandra burr is like they'll

talk about

chugging brewskis and he's like you

gotta love male bonding

but yeah so the he uh while they're

drinking

um he takes them to the sportsman

clubhouse basically

and uh he says oh yeah that that was the

name of my gang

and we were we were real tough guys and

but now the

the neighborhood's ruined and uh

everything's gone to crap

and uh and they kind of part ways at the

end of the night

completely stinking drunk in an alleyway

while danielle's wife is like hey come

in here what are you doing out there

carmine

um and he's like all right i'm coming

gracie and then

he goes inside then we cut to like

neighborhood bingo night

going on the entire neighborhood is

there

everyone in the whole building we've

seen so far staring out of a

balcony or window yeah all of them are

sitting down and playing bingo

well we got some new characters here too

oh yeah yeah well there's a few we have

the priest that's that's like calling

out numbers paulie walnuts are sitting

there and

uh fat williams chino fats williams

gino fats williams yeah oh yeah he's

great he's got the greatest one

i i can't even do it he got that voice

like his voice is so

it's so crazy um because like you know

he was in um

he's in one of the best scenes ever in

weird science when they go to the

clubhouse and they just all of a sudden

they're all just friends with everybody

yeah called every night every damn night

[Laughter]

uh he also played the security guard the

great line

we should specify fats is not the one

who says the every damn night no no he's

one of those the people around the table

but he's in jumping jack flash and uh

whoopi goldberg is like high on truth

serum

and he and he he she grabs him from the

desk it's like you need to lose some

weight

and he goes i lost five pounds last

month like he's like really upset about

trying really hard

she didn't notice anyway so i was really

excited because

his voice is so distinctive sure not

notice who it is

uh but in the middle of the bingo night

the souls attack

um and it doesn't it's not even like

they're going after like

necessarily the prize money like

directly they're saying everything yeah

they're and including like a woman

that's there that they're just like

you are ours now we're taking you as our

property

and uh he like rips her shirt off when

he has her against the wall

and she's wearing the same wardrobe as

theresa seldom has been wearing for the

entire movie now

um and uh and then the priest

steps up and he's like you got to get

out of here like god commands you to get

out of here

like he's performing an exorcism on this

guy to get him out of the room

um he's like you're doomed to hell and

and you shouldn't be in here

like it's a church or something it's

like no you're gambling might be

yeah oh yeah yeah i didn't i was a lot

of churches do bingo yeah

i mean this kind of looked like a like a

rec room somewhere but

i thought it was like a community room

in the building or in the complex that

they live in

but i like that carmine when they're

taking as well as like can i at least

take my kids pictures out

yeah it's like no no i'll take good care

of them i love kids yeah

um but when the priest is yelling at him

i i

for a second thought he was gonna rip

that guy's shirt off

um but uh they have the woman against

the wall and that's when carmine steps

in and he's like hey hey let go of the

girl like

what you when you're going you're

stepping over the line and then you just

beat the crap out of him you throw him

to the ground

carmine takes a lot of hits in this

movie yeah he takes the most convincing

hits

yeah tommy doesn't take a single

convincing hit

but yeah so in the aftermath of this

uh bingo robbery everybody's kind of

beat up

the the woman basically aiello protected

her by intervening because they kind of

drop

her they're not interested in her

anymore and

the police come but everyone refuses to

file a police report about the gang

because they know that they'll

face retribution and the cop seems like

really like

disinterested in even taking a report

should a report be filed yeah they're

like

we're only asking for a report because

we know no one's going to file one

because we we would like to do less work

here and then danny aiello says well

maybe i'll get a gun

and he's like what's that what did you

say and he's like maybe i'll get a gun

to protect myself

and he's like because yeah you might get

a gun and uh

i'm gonna beat you up or i'll take your

gun away and you're gonna go to jail and

it's like

no no what about what about this gang

that's been carrying around guns around

our neighborhood

that you aren't doing anything about not

just guns but like vintage lugers

yeah it's all just whatever they could

find on the floor at the prop house

that didn't have a tag on it so i meant

they could take it for the weekend

yeah i like your style angel but

but yeah so eventually um abe decides

you know what

i've dealt with this for long enough and

if i can't fight back physically i can

fight back

using the legal system and i'm gonna

file a report so um they put them in the

car and they're like oh crap now we

gotta fill out some paperwork because

someone's actually filing a report

so they take him down to the station and

uh the next day

aiello and some of the other sportsmen

decide oh

this is great we're going to fight back

against this gang you're with us right

tommy and he's like no no i don't

care about you people like this is my

neighborhood they can do whatever they

want i don't care

yeah which is really weird because he's

like turning on a dime from having like

defended people

from this gang already multiple times in

this movie but

essentially he says this isn't my fight

you guys got to take care of your own

stuff

this this is in the wake of like abe

getting beaten up

and then no not yet really because i

thought that this talk about taking back

the streets come back later well it's

kind of cutting back and forth

okay but um the sportsmen are trying to

recruit him and he says no

and meanwhile uh that like we're

crosscutting with

theresa saldana is in the grocery store

trying to buy something

and abe says oh i think that's in the

back why don't you go

go ahead and grab it and uh does she

want to make a phone call

or something and she starts to use the

phone when

the gang comes in just beats the crap

out of babe and then abe like stumbles

in like

totally he's like covered in blood and

wanders into the back room where she hid

when she heard the gang come in

but he's fine he survives he survives

there's no stakes in this movie ever

like every time he's pulling punches

all over the place like sometimes

literally in these fight scenes that are

very badly choreographed

but it's like there's no reason this guy

didn't die no

it it has no bearing on the rest of the

movie we'd literally never see this

character again

right he should have just died from

these wounds like it should have been

you need to raise the stakes a lot

because these guys aren't being evil

enough

it's they're just taking money

occasionally because the next meetup

is also doesn't isn't enough

yeah like it takes like

another beat up after that didn't even

go

too far but okay so yeah so but the next

thing that happens is basically

um she uh what is the

her name marsha is upset about

uh abe having been beat up and she's

also complaining that she's

she's trying to grow flowers in her

apartment and there's not enough

sunlight

which is i think a heavy-handed metaphor

for

everything's terrible in this

neighborhood yeah and everything dies

and so they're like well you know where

there is sunlight on the roof

so they builder him and wacko and the

kid build her a really nice

garden actually tommy doesn't really

take part in the building yeah yeah at

all

but the other two build are a really

nice garden and then they're like look

we made you a garden on the roof

so that you can finally grow plants

you're never going to guess what happens

to this garden

immediately like within 12 hours

like how did the solos even find out

about it they have like something

around the roofs of all the apartment

buildings just in case somebody had to

make a new garden that day

somebody trying to be sustainable around

here we'll show them how we treat the

sustainable people

and we beat up this kid too because why

not also why is the kid there defending

a bunch of zucchinis it's like just go

downstairs

yeah don't stand up to a gang when

they're beating up

a tomato patch it's not worth it but

they destroy the garden and beat the kid

up

and basically tommy finds out about it

and gets upset enough that

he's decides he's gonna face off with

the gang

one-on-one he's gonna go confront them

yeah and so he finds three of them

playing a basketball game

right and uh he starts to when he

first they're just arguing but when he

starts to actually fight one of them

a the third guy realizes oh this fight

is not going to go our way i can already

tell

yeah and he leaves and tommy's able to

capably handle the other two guys

and it cuts the guy's ponytail off yeah

oh yeah actually rose uses his ponytail

and so uh which is again it's just like

just just a simple fight yeah but the

the cutting off of the ponytail is like

a symbol

a symbol yeah it's an act of defiance

that's four acts of defense for those

keeping track

well in so getting back into uh

old west times yes is it scalping time

well yeah that's what i'm saying like

like having long hair meant that

no one had scalped you so like while

bill

had notoriously long hair okay because

he you know

it was it was a means of intimidating

the indians doesn't having a scalp mean

that no one escals you like just having

hair at all

yeah well being alive having very long

hair

is like you're being prideful about it

yeah so he was like cutting his hair

like to show hey

you're you've lost your your sense of

pride people aren't gonna think that you

haven't been scalped now

they're gonna think you've got a haircut

take that

gang member so the the sole leader finds

out about the guy who ran away from the

fight

and basically lectures him on abandoning

his brothers

puts a gun in his mouth and click

it's not loaded because no one can die

in this movie and nothing matters

yeah what is the reason to not kill this

guy in front of everyone show that

you're a badass

and when one do and he just pulls the

gun out not loaded

so do you just not keep this gun loaded

jesus christ that's super unsafe richard

of course he doesn't load this gun or he

just keeps the first one

is an empty round so he can always make

this example

yes or so that he can gain the upper

hand by pulling the trigger pointing it

at someone he wants to kill and then

when they're like

oh his gun's empty then the second one

kills the person yeah he's like i killed

him

right when he was he had such high hopes

for this fight

but yeah so he pretends to shoot this

guy and then that's the end of the

punishment he's just like

there you you've served your your dues

and we're all a gang again

now we're gonna go harass this guy but

not do anything

yeah while he's in the shower yeah

because he's really intimidated by his

penis this makes

no sense this is where i officially like

got mad at the movie the the leader of

the gang not even like a

a random henchman but the leader of the

gang

goes to tommy's apartment and kicks open

the door that he like fortified like

there's a whole scene of him fortifying

the door

it serves no purpose because they just

push it in the door is made of like

paper

yeah he walks right into his bathroom

throws open the curtain

he's got a gun he's in the bathroom with

tommy and he says

hey i'm going to kill you no

not today maybe tomorrow

or maybe another time and then he leaves

weather permitting why why unless he's

scared to kill someone like has he

literally never killed a person

ooh you're adding a whole new layer to

this is this you're thinking far

too much about this because otherwise

kill tommy

like just kill tommy right here

prove to your gang that you're the

leader and kill this man yeah

it'll be like a father-son thing

[Laughter]

but uh yeah no i got so mad at the scene

because it was just like

you're yelling kill him just kill the

guy just kill him

because it's it's just bad writing to be

like

oh you know what this isn't a long

enough movie let's put another

let's put another step in between these

two scenes where he

calls him out in his bathroom while he's

naked and says i'm going to kill you

eventually but see isn't that a more

compelling movie where he does get

killed

and then the neighborhood comes together

like this yeah absolutely this man stood

up if

anybody died in this movie we've

honestly narrowly avoided like six

decent movies

on the way to this movie oh my god

did you guys see that classic back there

jesus that was close

watch where you're going now marcia has

birds um

like it's a disease she got birth she

got

bird flu from tommy

you know i got birds you better get

screened

are the goals i just went through a

whole bottle of bird shampoo

this isn't possible i've been very

careful

but yeah he goes to her apartment and

she has a cage full of birds

and uh she named them after them

because they're lovebirds i don't know

yeah but she didn't actually named them

after that yeah

she named that one after him and the

other one after a fake name person

and they're not lovebirds they are

parakeets that's what lovebirds are

um if they love each other any any birds

that are in love are love birds

or humans apparently too um i've heard

people use that phrase

but yeah uh she has these birds and he's

like oh

that's so cute you name birds after us

by the way i'm leaving i'm going to go

away forever

but she already knew because she found

his like

ship detail crew thing yeah and then she

like hit his semen license

yeah his concealed carry semen license

oh thank god he has semen

[Laughter]

but yeah so um he tells her i'm leaving

town

and i'm never coming back and she starts

crying um

and and then laughing because she's like

she's like essentially going insane

yeah she's pulling she's going full

ophelia here yes and just losing her

mind

she's about to lay down in a river and

uh

and then wacko presumably inspired by

tommy

attacking the souls um puts on his

boxing outfit from when he used to be

the champ and starts a fight with them

yeah um and is promptly killed

yeah he accidentally hits angel

accidentally it's like he dressed up as

a boxer to go punch the souls

he accidentally punched one of them but

it seems like the that wild punch was

meant for someone else and they died

sure so you think he had like an order

of operations yeah

what is it pemdas look if you're gonna

start a fight

you don't start with the leader cause

then

you gotta face all these other guys

that's true unless it's one of those

like you know

what if that happened what if they

literally were souls but

uh so yeah they kill wacko i don't know

if they throw him off the building

because this fight seems to be taking

place on a roof

right oh i think it's at street level

because is it a street level maybe it is

yeah

either way his body's in the garbage in

the garbage yeah and the kid is crying

over it and there's a crowd standing

around it

when tommy's taxi is going by and then

he tells the driver hey hold on pull

over

and then he goes and checks it out and

he's like okay finally someone died

i can care about anything which is

exactly where i was at

finally something happened in this movie

we can get started with act

two yeah and uh and he decides

you know what i'm going to hit him where

it hurts i'm going to go screw up his

car

mess up his car i'm going to key it i'm

going to put a potato

in the the tailpipe yeah banana full

axle fully on this ship

and uh he goes and he gets a bat and

just starts beating up the car in a

parking lot he's got sledgehammer oh

he's he has a sledgehammer with danny

aiello has the bat but i love lucy

because like danny yellow like puts his

hand on his shoulder like to stop him

and then just kidding i'm not on their

team

reveals that i gotta bet we're gonna do

some more work and then the other guys

show up

guy with chains which doesn't seem very

effective yeah but uh oh it's great for

distressing wood

not so great for breaking up a car well

who knows maybe they're doing a little

uh

remodeling also also well yeah they go

like it's

totally like street fighter in between

just like tearing down this car

yeah this is you what you need is an e

honda to just punch the crap out of it

or a block

electric electric guy goes oh

my god that's basically what he says we

we see a few shots of uh angel in the

in the club again just like just hearing

hearing his car alarm go off in the

distance like the horn was stuck

on yeah basically that's all that

happens here

um danny aiello goes back to the

sportsman and says

hey guys we're fighting back like we're

we're teamed up but tommy's on our side

now we can

we can go do this together yeah he made

his jacket to suit up right but

everyone's still too scared including

paulie walnuts is just like buries his

head in his hands

um none of them are interested in

participating in this fight

um but eventually paolo i think is like

the one guy who goes i'm ashamed

that i haven't done anything yeah so i'm

going and then you get the slow clap of

everybody joining in

and uh they all line up and it's

basically the fight scene from anchorman

yeah where just like a group of like

four people will show up at a time

and you're just like who are these

people i don't know who are these people

it's channel 12

like well what i love is that like old

people just start coming out another

thing and just everyone's just lobbing

garbage

some guy throws a bike

that's right it's my bike um and then

the kid throws a molotov

yeah the kid is on the rooftop throwing

literal bombs into a street fight

but they they all face off and it

literally looks like like the way it's

shot is almost exactly how the shot the

they shot the fight scenes from

anchorage yeah and anchorman 2 in

central park yeah

well what i thought was going to happen

was because angel

sees that he's outnumbered and going to

lose this fight so he runs

and tommy goes after him what i thought

was gonna happen was the gang was gonna

go okay

we're done we're gonna we're gonna lay

down arms because we can't win this

nope everyone just starts wailing on

each other but but this fight lasts for

like

15 20 minutes oh yeah well

well tommy and angel are just

brutalizing each other in

every way possible oh carmine gets shot

too yeah carmen gets shot but

the reason you dimension is because it's

irrelevant it's like

he is shot basically in like the

collarbone yeah he's okay just stands up

immediately and it's fine

um they put a little like a little patch

on him and he's good

but yeah this this tommy and angel fight

just rolls through the entire apartment

building through people's rooms

yeah they go all the way up to the top

of the building just so they can tumble

all the way down the stairs and uh

and they end up like tumbling down the

steps out of the front of the building

slamming into a car that's parked in

front of the building

and at this point the police have shown

up and basically arrested everybody

um actually everybody on one team for

some reason they know

that people from the neighborhood

obviously have nothing to do with this

but they can tell who the souls are

and uh who isn't in the gang and uh all

the gang members have been arrested

and one at a time they each stand up and

they're like i'll file a report i'll

file her i'm spartacus

well tommy stops just short of killing

angel because he

says that everyone's watching yeah um i

have no doubt in my mind he was going to

kill him

yes um but then angel just kind of like

gives himself up

yeah he kind of goes like he surrenders

i'm done i'm i i don't want to be

out with this guy anymore yeah and then

we cue the

the bargain bin bruce springsteen

revenge song

for the credits to play over um and

that's the end of our film

i think it's entirely possible that

spike lee saw this movie

and was like this is wrong and bad

but i could do this better and i'll

still use danny

yellow because this is

not super far off from the premise of do

the right thing

which is more along the lines of there

are opposing gangs and you're seeing

things from everyone's perspective and

seeing how

the the hate in this neighborhood just

multiplies itself

and uh and uh danny aiello is like

the store owner right uh no he he's just

he runs the pizzeria but he's part of

like the oh oh okay i thought it was

time to talk about defiance

no yeah yeah he runs the pizza yeah that

he works for

but i wouldn't be surprised of that if

we can say anything good about this

movie it's that it might have inspired

part of do the right thing to

to exist this was directed by john flynn

who

did a bunch of lower budget action

movies nothing i recognized

lock up with stallone out for justice

with steven seagal

yeah not not even their famous movies

the writer thomas michael donnelly this

was his first screenplay

he also wrote quicksilver with kevin

bacon which is one of the off-brand mcu

movies like

nightcrawler with jake gyllenhaal the

story was written by mark toulin with

thomas michael donnelly

tulin doesn't have a lot of credits but

he plays the bass guitarist of the

sinking ship in the poseidon adventure

yeah so that's interesting yeah the

original

side adventure yes because the remake

we don't acknowledge the remake very

recently right jim michael vincent was

tommy uh he's probably best known for

airwater

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which he was in the tv movie and then it

was adapted into a series in here right

continue to play the same character

fellow hawk

he's also tanner in damnation alley

whenever i think of airwolf i think of

on sealab when he would watch airwolf

but it was literally he turns into a

wolf

in the flame um or the helicopter or

whatever it was

oh how dare you whatever i've never seen

a single episode of airwolf and i'm very

happy about that after having seen this

movie

he's also in big wednesday honestly for

for my money

his best performance was in buffalo 66

which is

post all of his rehabilitation he's the

guy that runs the bowling alley

oh okay who kept vincent gallow's locker

in place and i think there was a gun in

it he doesn't play a very big role

it's a very small role but and he seems

like like he's having trouble

talking but um so yeah i haven't seen

hooper which is one of the credits where

he it's a semi buddy film with him

and uh burt reynolds i haven't seen that

either but i would watch that

yeah it's like they're both stuntman

hollywood stuntmen oh interesting and

uh it's just like they first their

rivals but they become friends and they

because both of them are pretty famous

for doing their own stunts yeah

and so i'm kind of curious about that

movie that was 78 so

okay um i might try to find that yeah

that might be worth looking into

uh teresa saldana we covered earlier um

as marsha

uh she's the wife of jake lamotta and

raging bull

she's the voice of mame slaughter on

captain planet and

uh estella velasquez on johnny quest

and she was also in an episode of

macgyver she was the love interest in

the treasure of manko

where uh corn was their treasure yes

corn

uh danny aiello is carmine he's sal and

do the right thing

uh he's police chief aiello and once

upon a time in america

very creative naming he's tony in the

professional uh

is he yeah there you go leon the

professional

yeah he's great hudson hawk we already

mentioned yes he

tommy five tone hudson hawk he's also

papa in the papa don't preach music

video oh yeah

um rudy ramos was angel cruz

uh who was also in macgyver he was pete

target and hellfire

who i think is the one who gets his leg

broken right right right

he uh he played ignacio in beverly hills

cop two

um and he worked with thomas michael

donnelly again on quicksilver i think

thomas michael donnelly

wrote and directed that one so um lenny

montana

is wacko and luca brazzi he was also a

con man in the jerk

and he co-wrote a horror film called

blood song

in just an old-fashioned blood song

exactly that song is actually about this

movie

but they accidentally sang it wrong it's

really embarrassing

super expensive i looked up the premise

and it's like

a serial killer like is

trying to find a woman who received some

of his blood and a transfusion to kill

her

so that he's the only person with his

own blood um

something like that definitely really

awesome well especially

like i want to watch that um yeah no one

takes my bullet

i would be shocked if it got a wide

release but i think we'll make a special

exception for bloodsong when we get

there um

art carney was abe his final role was as

frank and last action hero

which i think is the cop who had retired

and was in the house that exploded well

it was his favorite

his like favorite second cousin or

something like that that's my favorite

psychic

he's got the time bomb in his house

though yeah and it blows up right as

they're coming around the corner

more famously more famous for

bernard crawford in muppets take

manhattan some people might know him as

that norton on the honeymooners

which i think is for sure what people

know him from

um he was harry and harry and tonto

which he got an oscar for

lead actor he was the archer on the 60s

batman i don't know the archer enough

of that i mean i know i'm from

firestarter him and

uh louise fletcher were like an old

couple that charlie ends up with at the

end

yeah um and uh he's one of my favorite

twilight zone episodes

yeah the night of the meek yeah which is

the santa one he's like a fired santa

yeah and then he becomes the real santa

spoiler alert

yeah it was one of those weird ones that

was shot on a video

oh interesting yeah uh and they did they

did that now and then

um but i had the voice of uh piglet

which we've had

previously yeah midnight madness yeah uh

uh he was in that episode in the same

one

yeah the same episode okay for some

reason i thought he was in a different

one

and uh santos morales was paolo who

plays the telegrapher in the three

amigos the guy who's like

i'll put infamous el guapo infamous

si it means a murderous

evil all like you said and he will save

you money

thank you he's also a bartender in back

to school and he plays waldo in scarface

don blakely was abby who is floyd

wilson's trainer

in pulp fiction and he will come back as

jerome boyd and brubaker later this year

and uh tony sirico plays davey which i

don't

remember them even saying the

character's name but that's paulie

walnuts from sopranos

and he also plays tony stacks and

goodfellas okay up or down

jess oh it's down i'm really conflicted

um because i love a good just cheesy

uh death wishy kind of movie but i'm

gonna give it a down

i i i agree i like the like revenge and

like john wick

type stuff but it needs to go all the

way and this movie was holding back so

much yeah it's a definite down for me

um richard where does this go in your

letterbox

i'm gonna call on you first so that you

don't feel like you're copying jess

you know um i'm gonna put this uh uh

above simon

and just below uh hero at large okay

all right you liked this movie better

than i did

uh i'm putting it just above to all

goodnight and just below don't answer

the phone

okay i'm still

questioning in my head is this better or

worse than fatso

i think it's worse which puts it at the

bottom of my list

wow i think this is the worst movie for

me so far if only for that one bathroom

scene was enough to just

totally kill it for me but um

because at least fatso like had some

jokes in it there's no jokes in this

movie

no yeah no it's not it's not a comedy i

i don't think it was

yeah that's a good question who knows um

so yeah i think that goes to the bottom

for me um

i think that's everything for this one

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forbidden zone the bizarre and musical

tale of a girl who travels to another

dimension

through the gateway found in her

family's basement we leave you now with

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for forbidden zone

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just keep saying to yourself it's only a

movie

it's only a movie it's only

a movie that will have you living in the

sixth dimension

moving in the wrong direction

a new fantasy

musical

comedy the forbidden

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zone