we're on a mission from god wendy so i got that going darling i picked the wrong way to quit sniffing blue light of my life we enjoy your films [Music] welcome to vintage video where we're re-watching the 80s so you don't have to we'll be reviewing every major film release of the 1980s in real time i'm patrick o'reilly i'm jesse bayless and i'm richard wells and today marks the 40th anniversary of the release of the baltimore bullet on april 1st 1980. it was written by john brascia or brashia and robert vincent o'neill directed by robert ellis miller and released by avco embassy pictures kate mccoochie was born yesterday march 31st 1980 writer producer john brashia's fascination with pool sharks turned into a nine-month cross-country trip in which he provided betting money to two pool hustlers to gather research for a screenplay during the production a national pocket billiards championship with a 25 000 purse was filmed to capture footage of professionals and pickup shots of their most difficult moves ronnie blakely wrote blonde billy for this film i think it's a decent song for my money it's better than anything in coal miner's daughter oh wow wow yeah i like the song it's a good song and she has a much better voice but she's actually like a country singer so does it say does she have a career outside of this film she does okay she also got an oscar nomination for playing a country singer in nashville we start the movie in 4-3 pretty sure this was originally slated to be a tv movie and then at some point they decided oh you know we could put this in theaters we just need to put some nudity in there yeah well i know i like that you and i weren't sure at first when we were watching we're like oh is this a it's a tv cut yeah sometimes it's you can tell that it's like and then like halfway through the movie you're like nope this is all framed in 4-3 they are clearly in the frame here yeah intentionally and it it just changes the whole mood of a film well i think we're what we were probably watching was an edit for broadcast version but the original was a 4-3 according to imdb okay because it was never released on video outside of the uk yeah but you never get the the sense that anything's being center cut or pan and scanned it's always like everything's perfectly in frame even though it's in 4-3 the whole time which just it's sad when it happens uh we get a montage of faceless people doing cool billiard trick shots near the cast [Laughter] this looks like and probably was at one point a tv movie i regret including it in our list this uh the first really crappy trick that we see pans up to coburn because it turns out he could do that one and then we see a really cool trick and we tilt up to bruce box lightner sitting across the pool table on a stool somewhere so it's like oh someone near him did that cool trick basically we're seeing nick beat a guy who just won a championship at paulie's he just hung out for the contest he didn't participate in it and then he decided to beat the guy who won just to prove to everyone that he's better than him yeah to take all of his money and the guy's like well you should have entered the contest he could have had this trophy he's like i i don't need your tin cup so i don't even know why you don't just cast really good pool players because it's not like these guys brought anything to the table james coburn is vaguely charismatic compared to i would guess most professional pool players i guess i don't know i feel like you could probably find charismatic pool players and just cast them i don't know these guys felt pretty useless to me throughout this movie i feel like they needed a name and james coburn certainly was a name right he's like they're not going to get paul newman yeah speaking of paul newman this is very clearly coming from the hustler which had come out at this point but it's it predates color of money but it kind of feels like either a prequel to the hustler or a sequel to the color of money because the hustler deals with paul newman kind of outgrowing the guy who taught him everything so in that way this could be like a prequel to that because it's like oh and he was still teaching him to do the tricks but then color money is him teaching the guy to do the tricks and so this would be after that but either way it doesn't seem like any of this inspired anything in color of money no it just seems like it was trying to be the hustler for tv and then at the last second they were like what if it was a movie uh paulie kicks him out when he sees that they are hustling his hustlers i i hate the word hustling and it gets used a lot in these kind of movies yeah and it's just like it's just called being good at pool like it's not a trick you didn't like cheat someone just because you pretended to be bad and then you got their money and it's like if you do it in some backwoods part of town with a bunch of drunk guys yeah they're gonna beat you up and keep their money but if you do it at a pool hall like after a professional championship it's not hustling anymore it's just being better but i think i think that yeah it's weird it's weird that they use the term hustler to just indicate somebody that is good at pool and i is this is this something that is used widely like in the world of pool because when you are pretending to be bad and then once you start playing for money you turn it on that is hustling these guys are just always good so it's not hustling and also no one would suspect these two at if there has just been a tournament tournament here no one would suspect these two people who are known for being world champion pool players have magazines with their photographs in it yeah would suspect them ever of being people who were not good at people i guess there is what there is one scene in the movie where they make an effort to actually hustle yeah there are hustles that are pulled but there's there's actually a scene is not one of them there's two or three scenes where the actual hustle but it turns out in this movie 100 of the time when you're actually hustling someone you don't get the money unless you can beat that person in a fight afterwards in which case you don't even have to be good at pool just go fight them and take them but i should have to come around the corner and kick them yeah over and over and over again but uh yeah they go to another bar where casey nick casey the uh coburn character is flirting with a girl he tells her he's 39. which i think he was like 52 or something at the time he says he's gonna teach her how to play and he asks the bartender to show her the sports illustrated or whatever magazine where he was the centerfold because him and his partner billy joe were the best poker players ever best pool players in the world at the time and the bartender says i think he's implying that he brings ladies often to the bar and shows off by giving them magazine and signing it for him also that maybe this was a while ago that this issue came out and he's burned through a lot of issues that he's only down to two copies so he might not be the best anymore but he still has these old issues that prove that he was at one point we see billy joe losing a game of racquetball to a guy i guess on purpose to be like oh well i'm really bad at racquetball so i must be terrible at pool right exactly yeah even though they're not they're not even vaguely similar skill sets but uh as they're walking out of the racquetball court he's like oh pool table hey do you do you play pool he's like oh pool is my game and he's like oh well then you should bet me give me a chance to win my money back here on this pool table and uh he obviously beats the guy mercilessly because he's one of the best pool players in the world back at the bar nick takes sugar the girl that he was trying to impress up to his room and then we cut back to billy collecting his money from this guy i think he's the last person in the film that actually pays the debt that he owes and after this scene everyone's like to them right yeah because uh there's some that that's paid to other people yes he on his way out of this racquetball club i guess billy joe sees on the news that the deacon was paroled after two years of his five-year sentence for tax evasion the deacon is apparently someone very important to them but they show an illustration of his face because he's very elusive and he's never been photographed right and this is you can tell from the illustration that he's played by omar sharif it's a very nice illustration of omar sharif yeah it's essentially a photograph i mean if if this was like the old west this would be the wanted poster yes um it's also on uh i'm assuming that billy is not a member of this club because he changes into like a janitorial uniform as he walks out he pretended he was working on something electric because the woman as he's walking out there like oh did you did you figure out what the problem was and and he just kind of walked past her without answering okay so this one was a hustle for sure right but if you go to a club like a sportsman's club and someone bets you money that they're better than you at pool you have to assume that there's a possibility that they're better than you at pool unless you know they're not yeah he he never demonstrated that he was bad at pool i guess that's true he demonstrated he was bad at racquetball if he suddenly became good at racquetball then that's a hustle okay i don't know if these are the official rules they're just this is what it sounds like to me if you're actually hustling someone you have to lie to them first you can't just be like i bet you money that i'm better than you and then be better than them then you just told them the truth and they were stupid so they they hear that he's back in town and they know that he hosts these challenges that cost basically twenty thousand dollars to play him in a game of pool and for some reason if you put up the twenty thousand dollars and you win you get a hundred and sixty thousand dollars i'm not clear on where that number comes from why you get paid eight times what you're putting in uh the odds that's those are the odds it's one to eight yeah i don't know it seems weird that he thinks he's eight times better than the second best person but anyway he goes back to the hotel room that's upstairs from that the billiards hall where uh nick casey met the girl and he just wanders into their room and starts knocking on the shower door to tell him hey the deacon's in town and he's in there with sugar and they're both completely naked but james coburn when he finds out the deacon is out he just wanders out completely naked and he's like oh this is great we're going to play against him and the girl's like uh i'm still naked in here what's going on she's like jumping up and down to see out of the shower it makes me really uncomfortable i'm like you shouldn't jump in the shower you're gonna fall oh my god yeah because they're wet like the shower was on oh yeah um but eventually she comes out and they have this whole conversation about how they're gonna win eight times as much money as they put in on this bet but they don't have a lot of seed money they don't have the 20 000 and that's the minimum that the deacon will play for so they don't have the money i'm not clear on why these guys wouldn't have the money because i guess i'm clear that billy is bad with monies throughout the film here right because he ends up having some sort of poker addiction and he's not very good at poker but why is nick broke because he keeps giving his money to the other guy is that true basically i mean at least over the course of this plot yeah and also probably entertaining all these women that we're assuming he has around is probably rather expensive it feels like they they play very hand-to-mouth and they don't have like a nest egg anywhere the closest thing that they have is uh nick's car which he seems to have an affection for and doesn't want to turn in for money but either way they get on the road and uh what is the bruce box lightner's character billy john tron says that they could win up to 160 000 and that's enough to open their own pool hall but in case he's not interested in that because that's what that's what a hustler does when they retire and he wants to stay on the road and keep like hustling for money he wants to challenge people all the time but uh in in the movie the hustler the guy that is training paul newman or has successfully trained paul newman wants to retire and open his own pool hall but he never did that saving up a nest egg the deacon enters a club probably the first club he's been in since he got out of jail and starts an all-night poker game with like a bunch of senators the doorman lets him in and immediately max shows up played by jack o'halloran and uh he tells the doorman hey was that the deacon and he's like yeah that was him and he's like hey when he comes out can you like give me some kind of a signal so we know he's there he's like with the camera i work for the daily news and it's like oh then you meant a shot of him because the phrase he used only means murder but he agrees he's going to give him this signal jack o'halloran is awesome yeah this guy like he worked a lot and i wish he worked more but uh he's just got this massive chin he looks like he came out of like the same factory that made richard keel yeah totally is that jaws rich richard what yeah he looks like he looked like jaws exactly i think that he i think that there is something like he has some sort of abnormality and i wouldn't be surprised and i think that they whatever they have they have the same one that that would not shock me at all to learn but jack o'halloran always plays these kind of guys but his chin is just massive it makes like bruce campbell look like trump jr like it's just a giant triangle on the bottom of his face and uh unfortunately because he shows up in superman 2 as one of like zod's henchmen yeah but he's got a beard covering the whole thing i'm like what a waste of that shape of his face but uh he's great nick calls the deacon in the middle of his poker game to say oh i heard you're out i just wanted to say congratulations and i wanted to challenge you to a pool game and he's like well you know i'm in the middle of a poker game right now and i'm not interested but i have already agreed to play whoever wins paulie's next tournament so if you want to play against me you should probably win that tournament but even then you're gonna have to pay the twenty thousand dollars like right that doesn't mean i'm waving my fee the next morning basically deacon is winning this tournament they've been playing for like 12 hours and uh the last senator calls those calls his bluff and loses because the deacon had a full house but they're very they're very like amiable to each other like right the senator says oh you know i you know your marker's good enough for me senator and so he writes it out and he says you'll give me timeline it's like as much time as you need like yeah like he's not he's not a murderer like like i kind of expected the deacon to be a little bit ruthless right with the senator it's different because it's it's it doesn't help you to kill a senator you're in a lot of trouble if you kill a senator but if a senator owes you money that's almost better than getting the money because okay i kind of like think back to like mcgruber sure valkomer gets like that senator like that that situation he puts him in so i was expecting something like that from the deacon i thought he was going to be really ruthless and have have something horrible happen your companion's a very beautiful young woman thank you i hope you enjoy being date raped ma'am it's my daughter sorry [Laughter] oh man that's such a great scene i don't know if you guys have seen it but just stop this podcast and watching the group if you haven't cause it's my favorite movie of all time so if it throws my list way out of whack for you then that's your problem max is still waiting for his photo opportunity right and he has the camera out like he's gonna take a picture right but then as soon as he gets the signal from the doorman that the deacon is coming which he's doing very frantically because max wasn't paying attention uh he switches for a gun and he covers himself with a blanket because he doesn't want to get caught shooting this guy a new orleans funeral strolls through the sea yeah this has happened three times in movies that i can think of where a person is getting assassinated during a uh during a street funeral twice in new orleans i think it happens in a james bond yeah a living life diet happens they actually put him in the coffin of the funeral procession right as they kill him it also makes me think of big trouble in little china when they're in like in the back alleys of san francisco and they start this huge shootout and people are like pulling weapons out of the side of the coffin to fight with but yeah i've never seen one of these street funerals go well uh they always end in murder but yeah the he tries to pull his gun out and shoot funnier if you'd said it always ends in a dead guy it starts with a dead starts with a deck it starts with the body and it ends with bodies there you go uh he pulls out his gun to shoot the deacon and a cop wanders up and says hey you can't park that here doesn't care that there's like the barrel of a gun hanging in the driver's window but it catches max off guard and when he swings it back into the car he accidentally shoots it through the windshield and then shoots it a bunch more times he's like his finger's like stuck on the trigger and uh then he just slams on the gas and crashes into a bunch of stuff and drives through like street vendors carts and almost over pedestrians he knocks over the coffin that the people were carrying down the street and he eventually gets away somehow probably just because this is a mounted police officer and not a guy on a motorcycle or in a car well plus he's opened fire and it's kind of like oh i need to get cover right and i don't want to use my horse's cover yeah and he's made such a scene at this point that the deacon saw what happened and his henchmen are telling him oh it looks like someone was trying to shoot a police officer and deacon's like yeah maybe that's what happened and then the people that were running the funeral try to lift the coffin and one of the guys looks inside and he goes which i thought it might have been funnier if he was like oh he's still dead like they were surprised by it but it's like why would you be happy that he was dead i don't understand why that's all right over breakfast nick and billy joe argue over whether their waitress breasts are real this is an argument that they settled by violently assaulting her yeah i could have done without this entire scene yeah why it does so much work in telling the story yeah there's no point to having this scene in the movie there there's literally no purpose to this scene aside from reminding us that these are two terrible people who don't deserve any of the money that they get over the course and that's obviously not what the scene was intended to convey so what was the original intent of the scene the original intent i think was to show that coburn is a tip man and that his friend is cool with sexual assault and that at the time that's hilarious um i think what the intended point was that billy lacks experience and coburn has the experience and they keep making wagers all throughout the movie that billy loses yeah because he won't listen to coburn's wisdom here's how this scene is better instead of having him literally walk up to the waitress and grab her boobs so hard that she literally drops the tray that she's holding and probably comes out like looking here i don't think you have to grab boobs hard in order for a woman to drop a tray of food that she's holding you'd be surprised i think if you walk up to her and just grab her tits she's going to drop a tray yeah but you got to be sneaky about it because if they see you coming they'll prepare you know they'll shift their weight they'll turn the armored boobs on that's the thing the way the scene should have gone and probably would today even if they had to include this the start of this conversation would be like oh well i'll prove to you that they're real and then he goes on a date with her or something or literally asks her and has the ability to ask her instead of like just going up and grabbing a person in public which i don't even trust him to be able to tell whether or not they're real like grabbing them yeah this is this is what i would do i would have him walk up to her and say hey are those real and then cut to him walking back with like a black eye or slap across his face it's like then then hand him the money like yeah you don't you don't have to have him make any horrible things towards her and because like i said when she comes out around that corner she looks like horrified yeah and like it was like she looks like she doesn't know if he's done attacking her yeah and i was like oh that's that's even adding more to this that i don't want it's not even like in mash when the girl gets a helicopter the next day and she's like i really enjoyed that i'm glad that they made me do that against my will like she's she's just terrified that it happened but it's a really uncomfortable scene and it should be cut from the movie well and the fact that these men aren't immediately like kicked out of this restaurant you know with force is is also an appalling state of the times that you know she isn't able to lodge a complaint against this not only that but she might get in trouble for dropping what she did when she got crapped she might actually get penalized for what they did to her but yeah so that's this scene they have some car trouble and so they go into a mechanic uh we we just skipped over something real quick oh sure that they call on nepali and paulie is strangely interested in having them not only compete in the tournament but he will cover both of their entry fees yeah so that would mean that they don't need to get extra money they only need the 20 000. yeah yeah is it that strange though like the whole the whole reason he was arguing with them in the beginning is because they wouldn't enter his contest well and well but then like they kind of like started a little bit of a fight and ran out um and so he says well i think the the idea of that was well we can't go back to paulie's yeah well i think they can't go back to polly's to hustle people but i think that paulie desperately wants them to be a part of his tournaments because they legitimize it because he is such a well-known pool player right but even more so that we find out that the new uh news but a television crew is going to be covering this tournament yeah so now he wants his star power on top of his ability to play pool so he's willing to waive both of their fees the car breaks down and they pull into a mechanic's place they notice that there's a pool hall like right kitty corner from the uh workshop and so he says oh it's gonna be like an hour and 45 minutes or whatever and they're like oh really okay well that's enough time for us to rustle up some money out of some rubes over here and so they steal some uniforms from this mechanic shop i don't think they steal them because because he asks right like he is hey can you do me a favor and the next scene there wearing oh i thought he was literally distracting the mechanic so that well we don't know because it's billy joe yeah it looks to me like only one of them puts on the uniform and it was him saying oh hey can i talk to you for a second and he walks him out of the room and the camera pans over to a uniform hanging on a shelf like he was getting that guy out of the way so billy joe could steal it oh maybe i i thought he literally just asked to borrow him well it's it's possible either way but he uh so billy joe goes down the street and plays a game of pool against james coburn and pretends that they're both kind of mediocre basically this is an actual hustle because they're both playing mediocre pool but one is clearly better than the other but the guys in the hall are like they're what is the name of that movie that pool hall junkies is that what it was called the uh christopher walken one yeah that is a movie um they're they're sharks they sit around and wait for someone to suck at pool and then they try and give this person an advantage that they'll fall for so after coburn leaves and billy joe's there by himself he's like hey i'll play against you for money and he's like no no i only play my uncle for money he's like i'll give you a head start you get you get 50 points and uh you can start at 25 and i'm going to start at zero he's like wait you're going to give me a halfway head start and he's like yeah because he thinks that he's so good that he's going to beat him even with this head start and and this is the first of my confusion about how pool works oh yeah i have zero concept of pool scoring i i thought i thought pool was a game that you played until one person won like like one person is solid one person is stripes and you just get all the balls that were wrecked and that's it but apparently you have to count up to a certain number and i don't know what that number is and the numerical values on the ball make a difference it seems like does it is that what you're i don't know i i honestly don't care enough about pool to ever look it up we're gonna get a lot of angry letters about how pool is scored i hope to god well the only people that care about pool are the kind of people who still write letters so that sounds accurate to me i guess like tournament pool has different rules but again to me tournament pool would be you play a game of traditional eight ball uh or nine ball i don't know i don't know how many balls pool has [Laughter] no idea uh this is a good conversation we know nothing about pool and that's why we're talking about this movie about them maybe that's why it seems so bad maybe this movie is thrilling if you like pool wait it's but isn't it ten no there's the eight ball there's numbers after the eight though right but that's how you roll them up the hill and they have to go into little rings they come tumbling down after what is that called skee-ball that's a little different um i've been playing ski ball totally wrong no wonder they keep kicking me out of the pool halls stop hustling us they're just like clutching your tickets you even get those but yeah so this is a real hustle before we don't we don't even really see any of the game happen he hustles these people that gave him a head start and then someone from the pool hall runs over to the mechanic shop and he says hey buddy do you have a new guy or something and he said no what are you talking about and he said well somebody down at the pool hall is wearing your uniform and they thought he was a pork chop but it turns out he's like a ringer he's a hustler and he's and they're going to beat him up and he's like oh i don't know what you're talking about i got to get down there and and the mechanic seems really confused which is why i think they stole the yeah that makes more sense now and then coburn says i have to make a phone call because he's worried about billy joe getting beaten up because he hustled the wrong people which he always hustles the wrong people and so he calls the fire department and says the building's on fire so we go back inside the pool hall where billy joe is getting beaten up by all these people first he gets surrounded and they start quizzing him on like mechanic stuff they're like what's a cluster gear or something like that and uh he's like interlocks his fingers together and he's like well i'm really glad you asked that question because the cluster gear works like this and then it expands and he throws his arms out in all directions and knocks like five guys back and then starts punching them all one at a time yeah he gets he he survives much longer than i anticipated in this fight before trying to make a run for the door which is locked yeah and he's also straight up hucking pool balls at these guys which if those are not fake pool balls which i hope they were like that would that you could kill somebody if you hit them with a pool ball um but he's just throwing them over the table uh and then like you said he runs for the door but they locked it before they even started this fight because of course they did because that's their modus operandi for when they get hustled and uh they've they've all got him surrounded up against the door when a fire axe comes through yeah like the the firemen didn't even knock they just throw an axe through the door um and then they put one through the window right away and the fight is basically broken up by firemen and police officers entering the building realizing this building is not on fire they ask who's the wise guy who called in the the fire which they should know which building called like shows up at the fire department where the call came from but billy joe pretends it was him because he wants out of this situation yeah and apparently they're going to arrest him for making a a false call to the fire department which i feel like it would just be like okay come on outside and you're going to fill out some paperwork and you're going to get a fine no i mean yeah but he does make it sound like this is this is a serial problem for him he's like i did it's a weakness of mine and then they walk him out of the place uh and from across the street coburn watches as they throw him into a police car but then they're immediately out so are we looking up the rules of pool over there yeah i'm sorry i wasn't paying attention don't do it i know it well it's already really confusing but there are 16 balls there are eight there are seven solid seven stripes and then the eight ball and the white ball and the cue ball the white the white ball the people on the white ball that's what they call it the white ball but eight ball is a game right eight ball and nine ball are types of games okay yes so that was as far as it got in my googling uh yeah yeah that's that's as far as i'm gonna go uh so yeah they're out of jail already apparently nothing nothing happened as a result of them calling the fire department billy basically tricks nick out of 50 to gamble with by saying oh i want to go get a girl give me fifty dollars i need to buy drinks for myself and for a girl and he's like all right here's 50 i guess and uh he's always willing to give money right and then billy joe disappears for the entire night yeah the next morning billy joe walks back in completely exhausted at like seven a.m and cobra is like oh man you had a rough night i guess you're out there with that girl all night and he's like yeah no i i wasn't with a girl and he says he was at a poker game and then nick says oh well at least he didn't have more than 50 to lose and he walks him out to the parking lot he's like where'd you park the car and he's like this is the car and he slaps this like hunk of junk with a bunch of like branches hanging out from underneath it yeah i don't even know what where he got this car like did you trade with someone to put it up as as your bet or did you literally steal this car and drive it through a field or just find it somewhere but anyway this is their new car nick loses it and basically just picks up all of his stuff and says we don't have enough money to play the deacon even if we did win paulie's tournament because you just lost everything and we don't even have the car which was like half of the money that we were going to use to place this bet so um i'm out now we don't have enough money to get to aspen we don't have enough money to get home we don't have enough money to eat we don't have enough money to sleep and he walks across the street and as he's leaving like billy joe's trying to explain his actions and he's like you don't understand like i had a full house and and there was nothing i could do i'm so sorry and uh you get the classic shot of like he goes and he walks behind the bus and then the bus pulls away and he's still standing there yeah and uh as he's crossing the street back to go to billy joe he's like you said you had a full house like he's like okay i would have done the same thing if i had a full house yeah which is the problem is that he's enabling billy joe at every turn and forgiving him every time he screws up but he says basically if you do this one more time that's the end this partnership is dissolving if you if you play any more poker because it's not your game the deacon is at this outdoor restaurant at night listening to music when someone tells him okay we figured out what that gunshot was about and it sounds like someone's trying to kill you and they tell him a name and it's someone who lost a bunch of money to him a long time ago and i think max is like the guy's henchman max isn't the one who's trying to kill him right max is someone who's hired to kill him um i'm not sure because max seems pretty independent yeah he's making max is the guy who lost all the money he makes a lot of his own really crucial and dangerous decisions yeah um but anyway he's the one who's out to kill the omar sharif character because some long time ago he lost a bunch of money to him and the deacon's like oh okay well he's pretty dangerous and he's probably mad because i got him sent to jail for a really long time and so far omar sharif has probably had less than a minute of screen time right uh it also seems like he's like a huge snitch um [Music] probably part of why he got out of jail as early as he did because he repeatedly talks about sending people to jail and later on he's going to call the police on some people too so there might be a reason why he doesn't spend a lot of time behind bars is because he's very quick to roll over on people nick and billy joe go to a honky tonk uh where carolina red is on stage singing blonde billy offstage she turns out to be a pretty decent poker player pool player for no reason at all oh no no they're setting her up yeah that's a big reason there's a big yeah it's a big reveal there's not a big reason well they don't show it but yeah there is that her ability to play pool pays no part in the whole rest of this yes it does then i missed the whole scene both times i watched it no you you you were upset that she plays pool well for no reason right there is a reason she plays pool well i will agree that it plays no factor in the rest of the story hold on a second then i think i am misinterpreting the end of the film maybe you are i thought she saved their asses no no no no no man that would have been a much better ending yeah well but there is a reason that she plays pool well yeah i'm not saying that it's unexplained why she's good at pool i'm saying that it serves no purpose agree i agree to that and it's like so frustrating because the whole time it's like this girl's really good at pool that should that i thought that was the big payoff i thought they cut away and she's she saves them in the end oh okay well we'll talk about that at the end i guess yeah but okay so yeah she's playing pool and it's an it's good enough that it's catching billy joe's attention and he says oh well i'm gonna go hit on this girl because she's a really good singer and she's good at pool and she's cute so uh i'm gonna ask her out and he strikes out and then he bets nick that he'll strike out too if he tries to talk to her and nick uses the exact same pickup line on her and it works perfectly and they start dancing at this point billy basically skips out to go to a poker game because he's not getting anywhere in this club yeah and he asks someone where the good game is and they say oh you gotta hit up snow white down at the it's like a carnival yeah it's like snow white plays poker in the back about fun house yeah it's like i was getting some serious us vibes yeah it also kind of reminded me of uh the last scene in who framed roger rabbit in some points the the warehouse with all the weird toys and wacky stuff making music and stuff but uh when carolina and nick sit down at the table she tries to drop some hints to him who she is and then he finally realizes that the last time he saw her she was a kid and he was playing pool at her father's pool hall and hitting on all the women there and she admits that she's had a crush on him since she was a child yes so that makes this whole business super creepy disagree that makes it super hot so billy gets to this carnival game run by snow white who has like a literally a snow white afro and is doing a bunch of coke while they're playing poker in this little tent and is very like effeminate right like and just by complete coincidence i guess max is there playing poker at the game red is asking about how nick and billy joe met he basically says he found him when he was a kid and he taught him everything that he knows and uh that now he's a really good poker player or why do i keep saying poker well it's a terrible poker player yeah i mean because yeah poker does play a lot into billy so he's a very good pool player um but that they don't know which one of them is the best because they don't play against each other um and the bartender jokes that they don't play against each other because nick knows that billy joe's better than he is nick suddenly realizes that billy joe's not around and says oh where did he go and they're like oh he went to snow white's game it's on the other side of town and then he's like oh god he's losing all of our money again i need to go break this up and this is the end of the show but it turns out for the first time in the movie that he's actually doing a pretty decent job at this poker game and he wins everybody's money but they don't let him leave even though this is a high-stakes game between professionals it turns out that if someone they don't know wins that that person doesn't win anything and so they're just going to beat him up and take their money back but he legitimately won everyone's money this seems like a really bad strategy to me like if they ever want anybody to come and play with them they have to let people walk away with their winnings if he tells anyone that you know hey i was i was going to have 25 grand or whatever it was whatever he won it's the same thing that math house talking about in the little miss marco i was just gonna say that if you cheat the wheel and people find out about it no one's gonna come to this club no one's gonna bet any money if you want to be a stakes place you need to pay out when people win because otherwise no one's going to put their money here anymore so he tries to leave and they say oh well here only losers leave and they make a bunch of physical threats and so he sits down at the table like he's going to keep playing and then he turns around and tries to run away they chase him into this weird fun house area where he's running through like a house of mirrors and like spinning tubes and slides and all kinds of weird stuff and he's doing his like punch one guy at a time technique until he's basically overpowered by this crowd of people right as nick casey shows up to help him fight and carolina gives him like a like a metal pole and says they play a rough yeah so the the two of them are fending off everybody but then it seems like eventually like max turns on snow white because he's trying to get his money back specifically well yeah snow white is is perfectly willing to let everyone just duke it out while while he makes his getaway yeah but every time someone comes around a corner he's waiting there to kick him in the stomach and i was like why does everyone keep falling for this but then i did like that as snow white is trying to run away uh someone gets him yeah yeah nick is waiting for him and then for a quick moment i thought this was going to get really interesting uh we switched to like black lights and everybody's like has weird blue and pink highlights and it just brings another flavor to the scene of this fight but unfortunately they play it very realistic where everyone's just like wait who are you who do i who am i holding on to and like they basically stop fighting here because they can't tell who they're fighting anymore and then uh we get this really drawn out uh house of mirrors joke where it's like oh you can't tell where i am oh i'm here i'm there and then they punch the guy out and get away with their money and that's the end of this scene is that they successfully beat up snow white and max and collect all their money to leave and now carolina is going to join them as long as she can bring trudy along right and billy joe's like oh who's trudy because clearly carolina's spoken for and we cut to them all in the car with a horse and a trailer on the back and that's trudy billy joe asks her to sing his song because he thinks he's blunt billy and she sings the song again at the very beginning of the song it kind of sounds like the mystery science theater theme um did you hear that uh i know i know what you're talking about but i don't remember this yeah the first couple lines of it like it's like dude and i was just like that sounds exactly like mystery science theater nick tries to sing along but he coburn is not a great singer yeah i can't tell if that's the joke of the scene or if they're just like supposed to be drowning each other out and singing the song they get to paulie's tournament and billy's like voiceover is we're getting like is it supposed to be his pov or something yeah i was like oh my god what is with this crazy vo yeah um but what's interesting about it is that we're actually getting introduced to actual right famous of the time and that's the pointers it's that they wanted billy joe to be walking through the room and introducing us the audience to real life world champion poker player pool players and uh like these are the people that you're talking about that you would have built a movie around but they could not carry this movie i don't think one of them apparently had a cameo appearance in a beer commercial and he's like oh that's the guy from the beer commercial because they want the audience to be like oh i've seen that beer commercial that's the guy who does that line well then maybe they shouldn't have made this movie yeah no i think we're in agreement there uh a second player walks up and mentions how great carolina is at pool even though there again there's still no payoff to this information he introduces them to the baron and robin hood who are who are expert poker players jesus [ __ ] christ these are all staying in by the way i want everyone and i want you to edit what is wrong with you i want you to edit in a ding ring let's just include the sound of a doctor so let's just have really bad again you're dying can we just have a really bad adr overcut over time [Laughter] we'll get jack ready to see yeah we're not doing any of this we're not even going to hear this episode uh yeah one of the pool players introduces the baron and robin hood who he says are professionals nick talks to a character who he refers to as shorty and this guy looks kind of like dirk diggler but he sounds like mickey mouse and this whole scene is just a very ham-fisted exposition for no purpose other than to introduce a string of heists that thus far have not been mentioned by anyone in the field right so and yeah uh i keep wanting to say michael lerner paulie uh says hey if you want to keep your money safe right put it in my safe uh which everyone seems like like yeah we're not falling for that but apparently everyone falls for that yeah exactly but yeah so he must be in on this that like is he is he in on the idea that this is all gonna that somebody's trying to steal the money okay no he it would be in his best interest for everyone to keep their money so that they could spend it on on bets for him uh but yeah when nick is talking to this guy he's like hey you were down in miami where that big heist happened weren't you what happened and he says these two guys came down with cute cases except there ain't no sticks inside shotguns they clean the whole joint out of sixty thousand dollars in less than two minutes and it's like oh great well i bet paulie hopes that doesn't happen here anyway back to the scene yeah but while they're talking about it baron and robin hood eye each other suspiciously they're just like uh oh and you and we're supposed to assume is the audience these are the two guys that they're talking about that did that heist paulie stands up and invites everyone to use the safe you got like a montage of the tournament and bets coming in right there's like a team of bookies in the back room taking a bunch of illegal bets and they're constantly updating the odds on a big chalkboard people play pool for 20 minutes you already know what that looks like you can imagine the whole scene in your head right now yeah a ball hits another ball one of them goes down into a little pocket thing meanwhile robin hood and the baron sneak outside and meet in a van where they're starting to like load shotguns right and they're talking to each other like oh man everyone's putting their money in the safe just like he said yeah and uh really playing up that they're about to like hit this place and take all the money out of the safe we get a random scene of the deacon what is he doing here um he's playing pool and describing how nick can never uh beat him because he always chokes he always chokes when money is on the line he can play well when he's desperate for like the rent check but when when it's just for for money for profit he can't he can't pull through yeah red sells her horse to cover the rest of their bet with the deacon and nick and billy basically make it all the way to the finals right uh so paulie goes up and he says hey these two were the they won each of the semifinal rounds so they're going to the finals which are going to be a televised tomorrow so everybody come back and stay tuned and this is the big thing that never played against each other right and max bets all of his money on billy joe and he comes to their office and while they're talking about what they're gonna do he's like billy joe's telling him i'm gonna let you win because you need to win this so that you can play the deacon and he says you're not gonna let me when you have to play against me and then max walks in and says no nick is gonna lose cause nick is favored to win so i bet everything on billy so you need to take the dive and he says i don't i don't take a dump for anybody because that's what they call it in pool i guess taking a dump taking speaking of which caddyshack later this year um but uh yeah so max lifts nick casey up against the door to the office and says you are going to lose this match and i'm going to get my money and they're like fine fine fine we'll do what you said so right now between the two characters nick's motivation to win is just his own pride and billy joe's is to save the life of nick because he thinks that max is legitimately going to kill him if uh if nick wins the match but when they go out to the table nick lets him know hey i'm gonna play as hard as i can so you're gonna have to actually beat me because i'm not gonna i'm not gonna lose just for this other idiot as the game gets further and further along it seems clear that nick is playing to win and is winning and max is getting more and more impatient uh so he decides he's just gonna rob the safe basically right so he takes plastic explosive which he just happened to have with him that's also completely silent right although when it goes off it's not such doesn't it it's not silent not only is it not silent but it it's not even plastic explosive because it goes off inches from people who are just like covered in soot but he takes this blob of plastic explosive and he puts it on the safe in the back room after he holds everybody up and right as he's about to set off the bomb to destroy the safe the fbi busts in yeah the the heisters weren't heisters yeah they were they turned down that the heist thing is completely unrelated to the plot of this movie which made this scene incredibly like i had to stop pause the movie and i'm like wait hold on let me walk through this because it was so confusing i'm like i thought we are were those the same guys or these fbi guys the guys we thought were robbing the place and but this other guy randomly decides to rob the place at the same time there was just too much i feel like they're trying to combine some paul newman titles with they're taking the hustler and they're taking the sting yeah very famous thing the same movie uh out of both of them together and for a con man movie you have to keep adding new characters and new plot lines and it's like by the end of the movie you can't even follow what's happening anymore but this bomb goes off it destroys the safe and throws the money all over the entire building even though it went off in a cage in the back room right somehow money is getting blasted the whole way through the pool hall the people who were inches from the explosion are just like oh that hurt i can still hear and see and i'm not dead but somehow the safe door has opened and all the money the contents of the safe have been ejected yeah you could have just sneezed this safe open if you wanted to uh so the fbi is arresting everybody in the back room uh michael lerner as paulie is trying to convince them oh no i run a charity these are donations and these aren't bets and you can't take my money and the fbi basically goes through and arrests everybody except for nick and carolina and billy joe who they cannot find because they climbed through the ceiling in the back office well it's not that they can't find them they intentionally overlooked them right uh so they go out into the parking lot where limousine pulls up with the deacon in it and he does he give money to the fbi he he gives oh he gives he gives something and he says give this to the senator right um so i don't know if it was maybe it's the iou i'm i'm sure that's what it must be like you know so he can return it and get this right now this just adds to my confusion okay so the deacon was in on it in so much as he he turned in paulie for taking illegal bets right so i got that part but then he couldn't have known that max who was trying to kill him be there and try to rob the place at the same time and blow up all this that the bomb would go off literally as the fbi is going in the door there's no way he could have known that also max just by chance happened to be at that poker game to lose all that money to billy joe and for that reason decided to come here and bet money on him to win the pool game it's like there's nine coincidences in a row with max that that whole character doesn't even need to be in this movie if it weren't played by jack o'halloran i would say take him out but he's great um but yeah so the deacon is a big snitch and he called the fbi on someone who he's worked with in the past to make money and who has helped him in his career as a hustler and pool player and that's probably why he's not in jail anymore is because he just keeps turning people in all over the place but when they're talking to the deacon he says oh the room's cleared out the only people that are left in there are are nick and billy joe and carolina and they're in the ceiling somewhere and then we see them climb down onto a desk in the back room which has to be a super tall room yeah because they drop out of the ceiling and they're standing on the desk but even standing full height and james coburn's a tall guy and they're not they can't even reach the ceiling yeah it's like a like a 10 to 12 foot ceiling yeah but when they walk back into the main room of the pool hall there's still money and dust everywhere and everything's destroyed but the tables still work and deacon is standing there and he says oh this looks like an interesting game he's pointing at the score on the chalkboard and he wants them to finish the game that they're playing against each other but then billy joe says nah nick was winning you can tell that nick was winning and there's no way i was going to take this game so you guys should just play each other right now so they play against each other for a while and they play about half of a game and then the deacon says well i won this many points there's literally no way you could beat me unless unless you did beat me unless we cut yeah but he says there's no way you can win now and i thought he meant literally there's no way you can win now but what he meant was it's unlikely that you would win yeah but instead he says there's no way you could win now and we don't see any more of the game not that i'm not saying i wanted to see more pool because i definitely didn't but this was potentially the only interesting part of the movie was like this this moment where we switch and he gains the upper hand and you know and wins yeah or they switch and you see the girl play the rest of the game that would be great and that's what i thought was actually happening i thought that we cut away and i'm like oh this was a really interesting ending where they finally they used her because she had really good skills and of course the deacon probably doesn't know that she's as good as she is and so maybe they like double down and convince him to play her for the rest of it and like and then they leave and and having won and they're like oh she has her third and i thought it was because she literally played the rest of that game no she just got her money back for the horse and that's it yeah she got more than that they gave her a third of everything well yeah because they came yeah that's true but they couldn't have gotten there they couldn't have even gotten into the game without her help so she deserved a third of the women sure but but for some reason it also the winnings also included omar sharif's car that's the only implication that we get that they even won the match because he he doesn't even look sad when he comes out he's just like gets in the cab and drives away he doesn't care he doesn't it's he's the deacon it's not it's nothing to him he lost his car so he had to call a cab but yeah but it's this big fake out where he it looks like he's walking towards the car but he walks past it yeah two and that's and that's supposed to be our signal like oh he lost so he doesn't get to go in the nice car and it's like other than that there's no clear indication that they it could have just been like well we survived the night and uh we're not dead and we didn't get arrested like everyone else and it should be noted that the deacon is not known for being a pool player he's not on these magazines or in these tournaments right he's just some rich guy who they want to try to get money out of and he even omar sharif admits nick's better than i am but he says he beat nick in the past yeah beat nick uh sorry uh because nick chokes yeah but he knows that nick is a better pool player than him so if he didn't choke he would win right and that's why he's placating him with so much money right that's why it's not like twenty thousand versus twenty thousand it's just like i'm betting even more hundred thousand dollars so that you screw it up yeah yeah but either way this is basically the end of the film we see uh nick and billy joe go one way at a fork in the road and uh carolina red goes the other way and they're they're off on their own routes and back to their own lives probably not starting a pool hall probably just wasting this money on well they talk about going to uh like montenegro or somewhere uh in europe yeah they want to go see uh like bridgette bardot yeah where bridger bardot uh likes watermelon naked on the beach yeah um and that's the end of the film yeah so pool movies not great uh i was very upset about a baltimore bullet pool movie that did not involve michael phelps what he wasn't even alive yet i know but that was his nickname was it really yeah like when i was like doing research for the movement why are all these michael phelps things coming out i had no idea that was his nickname yeah i've never heard that before so i'm guessing he's from baltimore uh i i'm assuming but i don't know maybe it would be a really weird joke is that from this movie because pool oh man i feel so smart for not getting that joke initially that is weird i'm trying to look up uh yeah he can't celebrate the baltimore bullets yeah he was born in baltimore okay okay so it's is it just a coincidence i i i have a sneaky suspicion it was a coincidence because people dislike alliteration yeah oh and he's fast oh my god it's like a double like how bolts travel through wow it makes a heck of a lot more sense to call michael phelps the baltimore bullet than nick here because what does the baltimore bullet have to do with pool cause nick shoots everyone that he loses yeah that's true it's not about speed so bullet is unnecessary michael phelps at least changes trajectory when he hits the water um but yeah what i think would have helped for this movie would have been a traditional pool game only because when you're playing this thing was like oh i've hit 155 balls for the deacon match you know i've hit 155 both now you have to get 156 in order to beat me um that's not interesting that's just hitting a lot of balls over and over and over and over again versus there's only like three balls left on the table and you have to make this shot and whoever knocks the eight ball in first is gonna win right and have like the deacon miss but then it's like oh yeah you know now you're not gonna make this shot because you always choke at the last second uh it also doesn't help that they know that we don't know how to play pool and they have willie moscone like talk us through every single play like see what he just said here's what that means i'll draw i'm literally going to draw the next scene on a chalkboard so you understand what he's trying to do and then they pan from the chalkboard to not the game but a television next to him to show the person make the shot because they couldn't have a person do it on cue they had to have a recording right and it's just like the whole time it's just like you guys aren't putting in the effort to do this trick on screen why are you bothering to tell me what like i don't care just tell me who won at the end of the game this isn't entertaining or show me who wins the game don't cut away because you don't want to spend because you did this stupid version of pool where you have to hit 155 balls and no one wants to watch that yeah yeah if anybody out there thinks baseball is too exciting have i got the sport for you it's called billiards and it's just balls clicking together and falling into pockets it's really great um but it turns out i watched a bunch of pool movies to prepare for this i didn't i haven't seen pool hall junkies but i watch the hustler and color of money and they're not great either the hustler's obviously better than the color of money but color money is maybe worse than this film they're at least on par i would i wouldn't say that the color of money is significantly better than this the only bit of trivia that i did come across that was interesting is that the color of money is where they got the name for the game doom did you know that no because there's a part where someone asks what's what's in his cue case and he opens it up and he says doom like i'm about to beat you and they thought that was so cool that they were like that that'd be a cool name for a game all right that's where they got the name from it's dumb um but yeah did you guys have any other notes on the movie you know uh the director here robert ellis miller uh a lot of tv stuff dating back to the 50s this that probably should have been on television uh not a lot that i recognized from his film career uh writer john braskia uh he played john in white christmas i don't remember which character that is he is also a poker player in this film during one of the several poker games and this was his only writing credit and his last acting credit uh writer robert vincent o'neill was the writer of the angel trilogy have you heard of the angel trilogy i have not it's angel avenging angel and angel three about a teen prostitute uh he directed the first two and susan tyrell appears on the first two uh angel was a different actress in each installment so it doesn't seem like it uh is a very solid trilogy he was also a prop master on easy rider and psych out have you ever seen psycho i have not uh it has bud cardos in it nice friend of ours i wouldn't say that i would say that me and bud cardos were buds um he's a cool guy old stuntman and second unit director on the birds bud cartos has a very interesting career uh james coburn was nick casey um obviously great escape magnificent seven he was flint and in like flint yeah he was in charade he's the voice of water noose and monsters inc which i didn't realize i for some reason oh that was always ned beatty in my head but that's a different uh pixar villain omar sharif was the deacon he's in you know you probably know him from the david lean epics dr zhivago and yeah florence of arabia the uh ted danson made for tv whatever his travels oh god really well mary steve bertram was in that too right oh yeah they were both who was who was uh sharif um i don't remember his character but he was someone that uh ted danson ended up in his house and omar sharif has like a mirror that can teleport people through time but needs blood so he keeps drugging and using ted danson uh his blood to bring people back from the past in order to write stories about them huh very small scene there's a lot of really interesting people in that movie i remember watching it when it was on yeah uh uh but uh that's it that's a lot of the same cast i mean i was just picking pic think obviously omar sharif lawrence arabia yeah i mean we're i'm joking by saying something really obscure that people do not remember him from obviously nowhere near as good as the jack black version of the governor's travels um story he's in hidalgo which actually i i don't mind that movie is that with um all right all right all right uh no it's a viggo mortensen uh oh i'm thinking of sahara with steve oh yeah yeah that's awful different movie hidalgo is the one about the horse in the sandstorm yeah yeah uh ronnie blakely was carolina red here she was barbara jean in nashville uh marge thompson in the first nightmare on elm street she was actually married to wim wenders at the time of this production who is a pretty famous documentary and filmmaker he was nominated nine times for the palm door uh he's only won it once for paris texas but it's a pretty uh incredible run and he has a bunch of oscar nominations too for he i think he got three nominations for best documentary film um but he hasn't won that yet bruce box lightner tron whoa whoa calm down there i love tron this was his first feature film uh he was tron and tron he was also tron in tron legacy is this the first time we've had an actor in the film that we've worked on um that's hard to say possibly but you worked on tron legacy yeah with bruce box lightner he was in there uh he also was president baker on supergirl or maybe still is i don't know is that show still on um i'm not sure i think it is yeah because they just added yeah cause they just they the ruby rose is the bat woman now and they're like that's the same universe yeah okay um i always think when i whenever i hear bruce box lightner's name i think of the joke on did you ever see that episode of home movies where brendan gets hit by the car no and he ends up getting taken to court for the damage to the car because he was on his bike and uh mcgurk is there as like his attorney and he's like what are you thinking and he's like trying to remember the name of the actor who played tron and then like they keep going through the rest of the courtroom like your honor might i suggest a spanking on his tushy all right that's it another word out of you and you'll be held in contempt thank you your honor okay anyway brendan i'd like to start off by oh bruce boxlightner what did i tell you mister no i'm just saying bruce boxlightner was the guy in tron your honor oh right thank you oh thank you now i can sleep great movie you're telling me please like they're not they're not taking their courtroom seriously um so i always get bruce box lightner and barry boswick mixed up because they're both very non-descript white guys sure with uh alliterative names yeah bruce box lightner would have been very interesting and rocky horror picture yeah what is this uh oh they actually would have been very much the same they're both non-descript white yes also uh babylon five was a big thing for him for box lightner yeah um jack o'halloran we already talked about a lot um he he plays non in superman one and two uh michael lerner was paulie who is jack lipnick and barton fink um he's another cohen stuff i think yeah yeah um he was mayor ebert and godzilla which is always a credit i will refer to for him uh he was in the macgyver pilot he was gantner and uh he will be back later this year for borderline with charlie bronson well and we also had him in um last married couple was he in that well i thought that was a piece of trivia that we had think about oh you know what it wasn't michael lerner it was a a different guy who looks like mike michael nevermind it was the same actor who played the father in war games father and he was uh he was in midnight madness as the tv show host oh i know you're talking about um and he was on the chappelle show yeah uh william boggert sorry okay my bad no no worries um very similar looking gentleman calvin lockhart with snow white uh he plays king willie in predator 2 and reggie and wild at heart he was also an electrician in the twin peaks movie and the reboot the series that he just did like he plays an electrician on the show um which so that's that's at least three titles that he did with david lynch yeah let's try to get as many people back as possible yeah that's cool i remember because i was working at photochem at the time when he was doing post for the reboot series or the sequel series and it would be like two three o'clock in the morning and him and the editor would come out and like smoke cigarettes and then go back in and continue working on it but they were up like super late every night on that show willie moscone plays himself the sportscaster he also appeared as himself in the hustler doing commentary for the pool games in that movie uh rockne tarkington was gunner uh he's one of the henchmen uh that's helping the deacon around uh always opening the door to the car for him uh he played a stable hand in the 94 wyatt earp that's the cosnar one he plays patch in the ice pirates stuart raffle classic uh he was jules and doa macgyver everybody remembers that yeah lou wagner plays savannah shorty that's the guy with the really high pitch voice um he plays lucius and planet of the apes he was wally phipps on raising hope uh that's a series that was on uh for a while he was in 13. near and dear to patrick's hearts because he he's in the episode that i'm in he's in the episode you're in yeah i'm kidding so speaking of cast members who we've worked with i literally appeared as an actor in an episode of the show with this character this is the guy with a high pitched voice right yes because i and now as soon as you said that i know who lucious yeah is in planet apes but uh there's an episode where i play a squab hunter uh courtesy of central casting you know what and i can see it you look like a squab hunter well i had a much longer beard at the time it was funny because when they called me they were like hey do you still have that beard and i was like yes i still have a beard and they were like are you available in eight hours i was like yeah i worked the night shift so i'm going to drive straight from work but yes so that happened and lou wagner will also be back in gorp later this year which is like a raunchy camp comedy type thing sounds great up or down jess oh that's a big down richard yeah yeah this one's a little of james coburn yeah this this is three downs because this didn't need to happen i don't think coburn even wants to watch this again um and i think it could have been semi-interesting i feel sports movies can be difficult if it's a sport that's not very active so like golf movies movies about pool or you know uh even like if you know obviously like beer fest or something or balls of fury yeah you have to do something extreme if it's like a very stationary game um uh and i feel like that's that's the problem with this movie one they're playing a version of pool i don't know anything about yeah and i don't understand how it about works uh but i think as someone told me they got 150 points in a game of pool i would be like okay well let's stop drinking points yeah i really liked their relationship sure i think that they had a fun relationship that could have been a little bit more developed and more interesting but overall i was just there yeah um i think that all three of the leads actually are really great i think ronnie blakely is awesome and horrendously wasted um she they set her up multiple people call her out as being this amazing pool player and she never plays in any of the competitions she never like that it makes way more sense for her to have won this money hustling people than for her to have sold the horse for it she should have been in the tournament yeah um you know it's it's she she kind of reminded me of like jody foster's character in maverick right um it's just like oh yeah she's she's a contender and then when that you guys both fail out it turns out you have a backup yeah but they don't play it that way that would have been a better movie yeah i feel like the combination of her completely wasted character plus like the weird blatant violent sexual assault that happens in this movie makes it like almost unforgivable like there's no way it can come back from that and be a movie that i wouldn't hate so um letterboxed what are we thinking super low super duper low um just trying to figure out which side of caligula right now so it's um i think it's it's below cereal for me and um [Music] we'll put it uh we'll put it just above caligula okay so second from the bottom for you yeah there's there's nothing personal still still down there so nothing personal is at the bottom nothing personal is bottom bottom okay uh i think i would put this just below just tell me what you want and just above nothing personal okay um i am also putting it just above nothing personal which makes it second from the bottom of my list it's in my bottom five yeah nothing personal holds a special place because i don't feel like they were even trying to make a good movie they were literally just trying to make a tax dodge this movie feels like they were trying to make a good movie and they failed miserably and defiance also failed miserably but not as miserably so yeah i'm comfortable putting this directly between nothing personal and defiance on my list so i think that's about it for this one if you 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discussing the private eyes which wikipedia describes as an american comedy mystery film starring tim conway and don knotts as a pair of bumbling american detectives who work for scotland yard we leave you now with the trailer for the private eyes who better to solve england's most puzzling mystery than these two international crime busters yes good day i'm inspector winship and this is my assistant dr tart with the law and the order gathering vital clues from every available source [Music] step by step tim conway and our nuts prove murder can be deadly in the private eyes who will be the next victim got that message better send it off to the yard i don't know we're here i suspect that they would like to see me dead well you can relax now that we're here danger is their constant fear is an unknown factor these people are dropping like flies don't you people realize that you're next unless we get to the bottom of this tea isn't supposed to foam stir it [Music] these great sleuths given the clue come up with the perfect solution hey we must be married we have among us a murderer and that killer is right here in this room all right all right hold it right there give me your gun tim conway is the dimwitter dr todd and don knotts is the inept inspector when she oh my gosh the private eye