we're on a mission from god wendy so i got that going darling looks like i picked the wrong way to quit sniffing blue light of my life we enjoy your films i thought they smelled bad on the outside [Music] welcome to vintage video where we're re-watching the 80s so you don't have to we'll be reviewing every major film release of the 1980s in real time i'm patrick o'reilly i'm jessie bayliss i'm richard wells and i'm robert weininger what we have a fourth person today a fear change uh today marks the 40th anniversary of friday the 13th on may 9th 1980 even though there was a friday the 13th in june i think they were just trying to rush it out the door um well you want to get a movie ready so it'll have a lot of talk so it's ready by friday the 13th i think they just realized they were going to make a lot of money and they wanted to put it out the very beginning of the summer instead of waiting because this is back when movies just hung out in the theater for the whole year instead that's true but it's also like people always say why like for halloween why don't you release on halloween well because november 1st no one wants to see it yeah that makes sense that you go a couple weeks in advance but this this seems well a whole month in advance yeah yeah it was written by victor miller directed by sean s cunningham and released by paramount in the us but warner brothers abroad in 1972 director sean s cunningham produced wes craven's low-budget exploitation horror film the last house on the left after the release and success of john carpenter's halloween in 1978 cunningham was inspired to make a slasher horror film that was both shocking and visually stunning cunningham and screenwriter victor miller met in 1977 making a low-budget bad news bears rip-off called here come the tigers which as with this film cunningham directed and miller wrote this was miller's attempt at a low-budget combo rip-off of halloween and meatballs that's what friday the 13th became really basically there were two very successful films leading up to this i mean i don't see what it has in common with meatballs aside from being a camp movie yeah it's a camp movie that's all it takes yeah it was sexy teenagers yeah it was it was a popular theme as in our previous episode we covered gorp uh that was another just attempt at recreating the magic of meatballs that just failed spectacularly the first draft was called a long night at camp blood but cunningham suggested friday the 13th and essentially decided the release dates of the second third sixth and eighth sequels as well as the ill-fated reboot in 2009. i i always heard that it was always going to be called friday the 13th but they just uh used that as a fake name during production and things like that yeah i read that too it was on imdb trivia that it that it was a fake name that they used to keep people off the side but this is the first installment of the franchise and it was like a low-budget rip-off of another horror movie so i don't think there was like a fan base trying to sneak onto the set i don't think so either so yeah probably i'm pretty sure it was just called along working yeah yeah it had been right yeah i don't think uh i don't think they were trying to be like oh this is a secret project unless they thought they were so clever coming up with friday the 13th because it's never been done before well they announced the title publicly before that's right they started shooting the film we are currently in the longest gap between sequels in this franchise there are 12 films total and almost every year of the 80s saw the release of an installment with the exceptions of 83 and 87 so a franchise that didn't exist at the start of the 80s had eight movies by the end of the decade yeah friday the 13th as an unlucky tradition is likely a combination of the fairly common triskadeka phobia and the negative connotations of friday's historically like black friday for instance the not the shopping black friday but like the the concept of friday the 13th being bad was a concept before this film right right the uh the first recorded instance of the combination of friday and 13 as unlucky was in a 1907 book by thomas lawson called friday the 13th about a stock broker intentionally rigging the market to crash so that's at least the first time that it was like recorded in an article or in a book somewhere but it's possible that it existed even before that yeah i'm sure uh even in movie history there's a 1940 movie called black friday with boris karloff and baylor lugosi yeah that involves friday the 13th even though cunningham was the producer of several vaguely successful films the best way he could think of to check if the title was taken was to put a full-page ad in variety and wait for people to complain that they were advertising for a movie title that had already been used nobody complained so they moved forward with the title but after it came out a previously released and moderately successful film called friday the 13th the orphan did sue the production they settled for an undisclosed sum but obviously nothing well i think they did get something but it's dumb to expect people to come out and call you out before you make the movie because you have to wait until they've invested all the money in it and they can't go back and change the title which is why people always complain like the the couple from the conjuring like they waited until the third movie was in theaters before they were like hey now wait a minute that's our story that we have the right student people like why did you wait till now and it's like because now there's three movies worth of money to get profit from well that's what's going on with disney and bill nye the science guy right now oh they have the rights to the show well bill nye is suing disney for not giving him uh residuals and money 25 years ago and they're saying well why did you wait 25 years instead of bringing it up when it was happening because netflix canceled my show in an earlier draft of the film ned the prankster character suffered from polio and had deformed legs but a strong upper body did you read that script i did robbie morgan was auditioning for the role of jay marsh john ritter's love interest in hero at large uh ultimately played by ann archer when she was told by a casting director julie hughes that she was not right for the part but she would be perfect for a camp counselor role in a slasher film and she was on set the next day her only day on set to play annie academy award winner estelle parsons was very close to playing mrs voorhees but turned it down at the last minute on account of graphic violence the famous is an abbreviation of kill her mommy [Music] which was recorded by harry manfredini and run through an echo reverberation machine i've always heard that and i listen as close as i can and i never hear it i i heard it after i read that piece of trivia yeah manfredini made the decision early on that the music would only be heard when the killer is present so in the remainder of the film it's eerily silent the movie was filmed at camp nobi bosco in new jersey the camp is still in operation and it has a wall of friday the 13th memorabilia to honor the film that was set there and they're having a 40th anniversary celebration this year um right now i guess on the 40th anniversary of the film with some of the cast in person or at least robbie morgan yes robbie morgan who played annie will be there and she said some of the other casts would be there i'm sure some of the crew too uh new jersey is also home to the towns of haddenfield and voorhees which are about eight miles apart the finished film caused a bidding war with paramounts winning friday the 13th became the first indie slasher film to be acquired by a major studio wait hold on back it up the towns were they named after the film before for for the film so did they use them in the script because of their names well haddenfield isn't in this movie hadn't field is from the halloween movies yeah and that's the town that i believe deborah hill who produced and wrote halloween that's the town she grew up in so they used it it might have been where they got the name voorhees though for this movie okay but they didn't shoot it in either of those towns and they didn't shoot necessarily close to them but they were in the same state i thought i read something that voorhees was actually a girlfriend of someone that that could be too yeah i'm not sure um on a budget of a half million dollars the box office came to about 40 million domestic and nearly 60 worldwide without factoring international box office or the crossover with the elm street franchise the first film remains the highest grossing installment of the friday the 13th series really just adjusted for inflation maybe it is adjusted for inflation it didn't say that in the piece of trivia but either way like even if it it isn't adjusted for inflation like that seems crazy that none of them have done as well and that they've made 12 of them yeah i think it has the most money without adjusting for inflation because the other sequels i mean the only one that i think could give give it a run for its money is probably the 3d one or jason x no i i saw that movie twice in a row [Laughter] so i've only see so i realized when watching this movie i hadn't seen it before oh yeah i thought i had but i hadn't uh i just knew enough about it that i you know knew what was happening um but the only two that i've seen was jason x and jason versus freddie or freddie percy's okay yeah freddie versus jason's the best one i was gonna say actually are you just saying that because you like freddy no okay of of the slasher films that's the only freddy krueger movie that i've seen oh really and i haven't seen any of the halloween movies other than the uh the remakes that rhymes oh really i've seen the original halloween is great it's in my top five movies of all time but as a kid we used to rant friday the 13th like every weekend yeah i think i told you before uh i've seen i've seen every movie in all the series but friday the 13th is the one i know the least okay um we start the film on the night of friday june 13th 1958 the counselors are all singing a song together in a cabin and we get a pov shot moving through a cabin full of younger kids sleeping i thought it was odd that the boys and girls are in the same cabin yeah that is a little weird you know the pov shot obviously inspired by halloween right but it's they take it to such a degree in this movie where like in halloween it's no one's really interacting with the camera where this it's like full full on scenes yeah and you see hands and feet occasionally from the pov uh a pair of counselors sneak off to an empty cabin to have sex and the pov finds them there and very quickly dispatches both of them stabs the boy in the chest and then chases the girl into the corner of the room where we get like freeze frame and zoom into our mouth and then we dip to white which is a weird choice i feel like that doesn't happen a lot but it's that way in the script too we should mention me and robert went to the new art last friday which was a friday the 13th except they started it on saturday the 14th no they started it at 11 59 on friday they didn't start the trailers at that time no that's when they started the q a but that was like the event started then yeah but uh the q a began with a little bit of trivia yeah and i won one of the trivia questions so my prize was a copy of the script signed by by annie uh robbie morgan that was there at the screening almost like you cheated though because you did and then they asked me questions about it that i'd been researching all day that's okay though because they asked some other questions and not one person knew the answer yeah which i was really surprised about because if this was halloween i would know the answer right and if these are real big friday the 13th fans they should know it yeah i thought it was really weird that that everyone there didn't have it memorized they came to see it at midnight on a friday the 13th and with a cast member what was the question um okay so for example the first question was what day did it come out and and where did it land in the box office numbers for the weekend that guy was a super fan yeah and that guy was the only other person who like seemed like he was had everything memorized he brought like posters with him to get signed and everything but so he answered that one right away and then the second question was the one that i got which was what was the second question it was uh which oh which critic uh gave it a bad review spoiling the ending in the review yeah because he was angry about the film and uh it would seem obvious because the the first person who got their hand up and guessed guessed roger ebert and so of course the next person you would guess is gene siskel but the guy noticed that my hand went up as soon as the person said roger ebert because i was the only person who knew that that person had it wrong already and so he called on me second and i said gene siskel and won the script so i i wonder if that person said siskel and ebert if he would have given it to her i don't know were they a team at the time yeah yeah they were working but they he asked for which critic so he asked for one critic and only one of them spoiled it in his review because eva wrote for the chicago sometimes i forget what jean cisco wrote for but it was a different it was a different column they just hosted their tv show together right but yeah and then the other trivia questions were what was the original name for the movie which i had read from the imdb trivia one of them was what did the graffiti say in the bathroom stall and i leaned over to robert and i said i think it's 30 yards to the outhouse by willy make it and it's 40 yards the eyes make it but nobody even like raised their hand for that question and they had to ask it multiple times because people didn't even understand it i was like nobody here has this memorized like i'm not a super fan and i was pretty close on it but i also watched it two hours before this screen but i i wonder because uh the guy asking the questions i noticed afterwards when i did some research all the questions are listed on imdb trivia was the that graffiti question was on there i'm pretty sure it was oh okay so next time you gotta go to a movie well yeah i'm taking addie to the midnight screening of uh of uh peewee's big adventure so i'm definitely gonna read all the trivia before that yeah you got it i wonder how i would do without even reading i know that movie pretty well i'm assuming that um that's like a regular thing that they do for their midnight shows with guests because he at the end was like oh and i want to give a special thanks to this copier place that copies all of our scripts for us and i was like oh okay so this is the thing that they do occasionally maybe i can get a copy of the peewee script signed by somebody so you want so you won the script because you had enough trivia questions correct or i just they had three scripts oh okay so the first three people that got those answers got got scripts okay the first guy also got a coupon to a restaurant oh yeah the diner the 50s diner that's like across the street from the newer okay but um i wouldn't want that anyway so it was an early draft of the script it's fairly early it's not just uh victor miller so it's not the first draft but um it's a pretty early draft it's it has the polio in it so the guy has the guy no sorry the uh which character had the polio again ned who is the one that's the prankster yeah they're really annoying roosevelt yes that's right um but yes so we've dipped to white uh from the 50s and we're coming back up in present day they don't specify a year oh and i verified uh it was like it was like did 1958 had a friday the 13th in june it's like oh it did yeah and so did 1980 and i was like and just to be safe just in case like because they were filmed probably filming it in 79 yeah i was like 79 have 79 did not not in june it had two and one in july one in april right but they specified that this is june 13th right which is my grandfather's birthday oh there you go and he was born in 1980 1933 robert's very young hitchhiker annie approaches a gas station and talks to a dog that's sitting on the ground she asks the dog for directions to crystal lake and the dog doesn't have directions for her she moves into a diner nearby and uh everyone seems appalled that she wants to go to camp crystal lake which they a couple of them refer to as camp blood but they basically force a trucker to take her yeah i mean not that he seems so upset about having to drive like a young girl to this camp but he's also trying to talk her out of it as she's coming out of the diner she is accosted by crazy ralph you're gonna care blood ain't you god damn it ralph get out of here go on get leave people alone who tells her about the death curse at crystal lake and the trucker says don't mind him he's crazy and then he grabs her ass lifting her up into his truck crazy ralph's not the only one to accost her yeah but then as they're driving down the street he's like so everything ralph said is correct uh it's bad luck there's a curse on the place and you shouldn't go there it's like you just told me not to believe that guy and you're corroborating everything he said um we just like to hurt his confidence in front of him yeah we like to make him think he's crazy he's actually very observant it's great the the trucker tells annie what happened 22 years ago as though it just happened he says that a boy drowned in 58 and a couple kids were were murdered a year later but he keeps saying like you can't go over there these murders happened and it's like that happened a long time ago like over 20 years ago i don't know why you're still harping on them like that's gonna happen right now well he brings up like like the water's bad and yeah there's been fires but it's just like but that's all just stuff that happens yeah yeah but it kind of makes it seem like i mean maybe he didn't get so full into the story as to what was happening between 58 and 79 or 80 where maybe people were starting to prepare it again to open and things were happening like a fire that's possible either way he's he only mentions the murder specifically and a couple of fires that could have been set by teenagers or whatever but she's basically just mocking him here the footage that we're getting back and forth that it's each of them like by themselves on their side of the car because they were not there on the same day because they shot all of annie's stuff in that one day that she was on set so there's the stuff outside the diner and inside the diner too they were both there for but this whole scene she was sitting across from like the sound guy it almost looks like pov like like they're implying that this guy could be the killer like they're setting him up as a red herring well that's what i was going to say about later in the movie yeah when she's talking in the car and it's a pov it doesn't make sense because the person driving would crash at a second they're never looking at the roads yeah but so i think it's just a coincidence that the production required them to shoot it that way and it kind of resembled pov but i thought it was like a happy accident that it resembled the way they were shooting from the killer's perspective at uh at the camp owner steve christie is digging up a tree stump and some counselors arrive and rush to help him uh he quickly hands out jobs for all of them to do they have it's obviously we're getting there on a friday and we have the two days of the weekend before people are gonna start showing up on monday is it two days i thought they had two weeks before the kids arrived yeah two weeks come on let's go hopefully we had two weeks when when he's but he's clearly rushing them to get all this stuff right yeah but uh steve notices a pad of alice's art including a sketch of himself while she's like nailing up a rain gutter to one of the cabins and he's like oh do i really look like this and she's like you did last night and yeah jack drawing rose yeah except super creepy yeah but he's trying to flirt with her and she's like i'm pretty sure i'm going to leave i don't want to be here and he's like well give it a give it a couple more weeks and once the kids show up i think you'll be happy and she's like okay fine i think i can i can last that long i guess and then he goes up and touches her face so romantic yes it just my heart was a flutter we get a quick pov in the woods watching alice run through the trees to ask bill if he needs paint uh bill is like working on a dock and uh he says that he doesn't need paint but he needs thinner and that's kind of like the extent of this conversation yeah just to introduce this other character as like jesse said as i watch this i realized i don't think i have seen this before oh really um i remember the last scene yes but i feel like that's probably been teased in other films before sure yeah i think that i feel like i might have seen the last um the last scene because they i feel like they flash back to that and what yeah steve leaves the camp for supplies so he basically leaves the kids alone to head down to town to collect supplies and right after he leaves ned says oh by the way you never mentioned that everybody calls this place camp blood he neglected to mention that downtown they call this place camp blood um brenda goes to set up the archery range and ned fires a shot like directly over her shoulder as he's pushing the target that was horrifying to me i'm just like you never never even raise a bow if somebody is standing in the field like by the targets like don't even joke about it apparently shot one right by her savini fired that shot jesus over her shoulder multi-talented savini i'm sure he was like right next to her though we're just barely out of frame but still not not uh not a good idea to do hey are you wrapped for the day yeah why well here's the thing um i'm gonna shoot over your shoulder but if i accidentally hit you we're gonna have to switch to shooting your death scene real quick so just leave it in [Laughter] but annie hops in a jeep for the last leg of her trip to the camp she's still hitchhiking she's supposed to be the chef and the jeep basically blows past the road that the camp is on very fast and the driver is not saying anything but we're seeing a lot of a lot more pov but we never see a shot of the driver yeah this is that weird part where how does the driver never look at the road yeah and he ends up jumping out of the jeep into a ditch on the side of the road it looks like a pretty painful landing i'm not sure how they shot it but she gets chased clearly don't have any regard for the actors in this movie yeah but she does say that uh robbie at the screening said that she wasn't actually injured during her death scene so right um but she she jumps out this is the movie yeah but i mean it seemed like she could have been hurt in that ditch though yeah well it seemed like she just jumped off of something it didn't really seem like she was because she she didn't really sell it so well that she had to like roll forward or backwards she did roll forward she does like a somersault forward oh i know she's an asphalt on the side of a road she did but it didn't for me it didn't seem to really sell the fact that she was moving uh jumping out of a moving vehicle no i agree it doesn't it she's not moving at the speed that the car was just moving but it still looks like she jumped into a somersault on on asphalt on the side of a road and it would have hurt to do tom savini probably trained her how to do that so so question would this be your reaction if you run into the woods no no like if someone wasn't you were in a car hitchhiking and they weren't pulling over it's like that's our turn you missed it you missed it oh my god and you jump out of the car yeah would that be your first instinct probably not my first instinct yeah i don't know but you got to remember this is 1979 or 1980 and uh girls being kidnapped by hitchhikers was a huge scary thing at that time but you also have to remember that she can see the driver even if we even yeah we can't that's true but what if it's just a scary old lady she's not saying anything and she's asking her to stop yeah like stop and let me out and she's not and which which at that point you you are clear that this person is threatening you yeah then you grab the gear shift yeah i was gonna throw it into reverse i would either stop the car or transmission or try and hurt this person that's driving yeah yeah um or stomp on the brake or whatever i could do but yeah uh she runs limping into the woods after her somersault and she can't get very far very quickly because she's limping from having jumped out of the car and very quickly she leans against the tree and her throat is slit yeah this is a good effect it's uh tom savini yeah did that effect and i i feel like movies of the 80s they used so they used a lot of appliances and effects where today i mean maybe it's more realistic today but it's more fun back then and yeah and gorier like you can see the wound opening like i feel like you don't get that type of violence anymore yeah and it was funny too because she was saying that the uh the blood that he was using was like super dark and stained immediately anything it touched so they had to do this in one take because they were like we can't even get it off of your skin we don't have another outfit for you well it's not even the clothes it's the skin is you're going to have a big blood splotch on your skin it's going to stain we can't even wash that off so i was sad to hear that though because this is a really cool shirt that she's got on and what was the shirt i don't know it was just this like rainbow plaid shirt button up it was cool um i was bummed it was sad for the shirt you would have you would have worn it i would have just framed it at that point even if it had a little just a little blood on it uh we get a pov watching flirty counselors sunbathing on a raft in the lake the prankster pretends that he's drowning and for some reason everyone falls for it even though this is like his seventh prank i feel like this prank worked a lot better when the character had deformed legs i know you know probably um it's weird though because in a script he doesn't he doesn't fake drowning he fakes that he's choking and he doesn't even get mouth-to-mouth out of it like they're just doing the heimlich maneuver and that's when he breaks and he's like i'm just kidding and they all get mad at him you can stop breaking my ribs now yeah you just destroyed my rib cage well this makes so much more sense though in terms of the film but also if the guy's legs didn't work i would be more inclined to believe like oh it's possible he actually is drowning yeah but i think in terms of it being uh offensive you know that somebody would pretend to be drowning you know that that would be that would be more interesting that is more interesting than somebody choking in the film oh absolutely but the choking doesn't make any sense but these are good counselors and they all save the guy that's drowning so in theory they should have been redeemed yeah alice finds a snake in her room yeah my notes for this part are the snack killing scene i was like autocorrect what did you do uh this is horrifying yeah absolutely terrifying this was a snake that they actually found on the set um and for some reason everyone rushes in to kill it and the script is just bill but everyone rushes in here they're all jumping all over each other to kill it and then bill takes the machete and slices the snake in half a real snake getting sliced in half yeah that's terrible and uh cannibal holocaust i'm pretty sure that someone got up and left during the screening that we were in there was a woman who was like oh my god oh i didn't she got up and walked away i don't know if she came back but i thought she literally left now didn't the guy say who was presenting the movie that in that initial script that the killer put the snake in the room yeah you get a pov shot of the hands putting the snake through the window into the cabin in the in the draft of the script that's not how it happens here so here it's just a coincidence snake but people were people people were upset that the snake got killed yes because it was an actual live snake that got chopped in half on set like people have snakes as pets so yeah i don't know i just okay have you ever seen it you weren't upset about that what i no i don't like horror films okay it's an awful movie and i don't recommend anyone ever watch that but they kill some real animals in there one being a giant turtle which is the most disturbing scene i have ever seen oh my god and i can get why people would hate that and hate that movie but and that's on the video nasty list too that's in that that's a category one video nasa well that's an 80s movie though you're gonna watch that don't watch that it had limited release in the us in uh 85 but it originally came out in italy in 1980 oh okay well we're not covering foreign films anyway unless it got a wide release in the u.s and was nominated for something it didn't involve awful things turtle murder myrtle if you will [Laughter] and i will and i i just want to go on record that i'm not for live killing a van no it's too late we have it on i just i just was like like about like the things that get upset is like oh yeah teenagers getting stabbed through the neck is okay that's fake yeah this is a real snake that was alive it was murdered in the making of this movie do you not know the difference between reality and it's just that but i've seen similar things in other movies but people don't bring them up like what what movie did you see the chicken's about the snake i would think it's a fake snake in the movie it doesn't look that really it's moving i didn't know that i didn't know that it was i i didn't know that fact before i watched this movie and i saw that and i'm like that's a real snake they just killed a real snake it's moving before and after its head gets chopped off if that was a big snake it would be super expensive not in this movie that's right um a cop pulls up to the camp and uh the kids all line up and offer to help him they're like well what can we do to help before he says that he's looking for anyone which i thought was weird yeah why is this even in the movie uh it's not victor miller's scene and he's actually that's his one complaint about the draft that was done after his involvement is that he said i wanted this to feel like the kids are in the middle of nowhere nowhere near society and then they have a cop pull up to just do like a check on everybody yeah that's weird but he's here looking for ralph crazy ralph disappeared and uh he's possibly dangerous and he's missing um it reminded me of a cabin fever sure yeah you're the party man yeah alice finds ralph in a pantry all of a sudden he's just been standing in the dark in a pantry for hours and he just approaches her and warns her again that there's a death curse on the place and they're all gonna die and then he runs off you know he rides his bike yeah he he's so like like uh like like energy and health conscious like he's like i'm gonna ride the bike i'm not getting a car out here i don't know that crazy ralph has a driver's license he definitely does uh closing the cabin door here i just noticed that sounded like a girl screaming i don't know if that was like yeah i'm i'll include the clip in the podcast but it it sounded like as the door is closing and i was like that's probably a happy accident but it just reminded me that i was watching a horror film um suddenly the light bulbs aren't working jack says he's gonna go fix the generator and then ned makes fun of him like don't you love that macho talk emergency generator so he goes and he starts the generator there's no point to the scene because in the script draft that i have jack is very nearly electrocuted by the generator because it's standing in a puddle next to it they don't show the pov from the killer's perspective of like dumping a bucket of water near the generator but i think the implication is supposed to be that the person whoever the killer is we have no idea is uh setting up accidents for these people to fall prey to jack doesn't die here so are we to assume that the the mainline power to the camp has now been cut um possibly ned enters an abandoned cabin looking for anyone just kind of wandering around he thinks he's hearing people talk jack and marcy decide they're gonna walk along the lake and uh a combo of the sound effect for the thunder and the flash of lightning which is like weirdly yellow and linkers for too long made me think that this was supposed to be an explosion that happened yeah but um it's just lightning speaking of the lightning and thunder i did think they did a pretty good job of delaying the thunder which movies don't tend to do a lot of the time yeah maybe i'd have to look for that again i wasn't paying that close attention to that part uh marcy tells about a dream that she had about blood raining and like pooling in rivers and it's like this very abstract nightmare that she had a recurring nightmare about blood and apparently all the actresses that read to audition for the film for any part had to read that monologue as a part of their audition marcy and jack get out of the rain into an empty cabin to have sex bill brenda and alice start a game of strip monopoly back in the cabin by the way the sex scene i felt a little uncomfortable watching that with marcy and jack yeah i don't know there was something weird about it like is it the body that's above well them that no no that was normal but you know that that's another thing uh about movies of the 80s you get really long lingering sex scenes which you don't really get today yeah it's a bummer um a quick funny side story on this was uh i was watching uh the name of the rose with sean connery and christian slater i i had seen when i was probably too young to see it and wanted to refresh it so i'm watching it with my dad and there is a very long gratuitous sex scene with christian slater and a young woman and it's just like this is going to be done soon right why is this going on for so long while i'm watching this with my dad that's nice i felt watching the terminator with my parents you're like oh man this is terrible you shift in your seat you accidentally hit back and it starts um marcy gets up from the bed to go pee and jack is very quickly stabbed through the neck from under the bed this is a good kill it is it's awesome probably besides the ending this is the most famous kill of the movie yeah and not just because it's kevin bacon but because it looks great yeah it really does can we talk about how the one girl is cheating at monopoly i did not notice that oh my goodness making money or something no she the first dice roll she goes double sixes i get to roll again she rolled a one and a two did she i didn't notice that i was like that's not double sixes well it depends on which side of the dice you're looking at oh that's true they're playing they're playing western dice whatever is pointing west is the number it's probably funny because it was probably just in the script double six as i go again and no matter what she rolls that's what she was going to say yeah don't worry the film can't pick it up yeah it did yeah what do you think people are going to have 4k televisions in the future sweetheart this was a really nice transfer they didn't even have an idea of home video nobody's going to watch this again in the theater in the 80s i think they were starting to get down with the idea of home video but still it was going to be vhs or video desk well it's funny i was talking about that today about in empire strikes back how there's a close-up of luke skywalker's lightsaber and it says like made in new york on it because you could see the that it was a flash ball about an old camera that they used to make the lightsaber yeah and they probably just figured oh no one's really going to see that no one could go back and zoom in on it of course everyone can now but now it's an easter egg that reveals that it didn't take place a long long time ago that's right it's actually in the future and in our galaxy that's right well we don't know where it's at uh marcy looks around for the source of some sounds for a while and then she takes an axe to the face which is another really solid makeup job from tom savini yeah i really enjoy the way all of these kills were shot like they're i just i just feel like it's it's pretty unique and special they it's it seems like they aren't super gratuitous in a way that i think horror films are now like a lot of them like the kill happens and then we cut we cut to them already having it happened to them you know so like they there's a you know there's the the camera zooms in as if they're being attacked and then we cut to them already yeah the aftermath the aftermath yeah having been killed and i just i really enjoy that it's not these like lingering gratuitous things but they are visceral yeah but then the stuff the stuff that you do see is uh you know pretty graphic and fun like fun fun violence yeah silence nothing says fun like stand through the neck with an arrow the door to the strip monopoly game pops open from the storm and uh the girls basically just abandoned the game here they were just about to have to get naked and they're like up time to go i gotta go by the way at the screening we went to the grand prize was strip monopoly friday the 13th for the last question of the trivia yeah which was just the monopoly board that they made their own strip monopoly version of oh i'm pretty sure that guy that was hosting the q a made it i know like what does that mean made it strip monopoly like he stuck a post-it note on it that said stripped monopoly yes yeah and other various illustrations are all over the board and it says like friday the 13th on it yeah okay but it's clearly just a modified monopoly board uh steve settles his bill with sandy at a diner um this older waitress that he's just flirting with and she's like oh you shouldn't go out in that store and he's like i got a bunch of kids out there i gotta go help him so um but he his car ends up breaking down on the way back to the camp but he gets a ride with a cop so the writer who is upset about the previous cop did he write this cop in there you think i don't know i wonder if he'd be upset even with a cop getting that close to the camp yeah because even that cop doesn't take him the whole way there because the gop gets a call about a fatal accident he's like get out here and walk the rest of the way [ __ ] isn't it kind of strange that his car like it seems like a bad coincidence because how could you anticipate or how could the killer plan for his car to break down halfway back to the camp in the pouring rain did the killer plan for that i don't know that's what i'm saying yeah i don't think it matters uh if his car broke down or not i honestly think the only reason but if he made it back with a working car that changes things it does but she could have just taken care of it at that point does it change things i don't know i just think having a working vehicle there changes things well he would have had the keys to the lockers with the guns and whatnot uh because he kind of received a lot of guns at a kid's camp yeah there was a lot of kids well okay i i agree with keeping weapons these are bears and and lions and snakes oh my god like a gun for every kid at the camp yeah one gun for each this is america in the script there is an archery range and a rifle range oh really yeah but i i honestly think the only reason for the car to break down is so that he can have a conversation with another character about the history of friday the 13th oh it's unlucky that's right you know well did you it's also a full moon well did you read that uh when they were initially making the movie they said there's no mention of friday the 13th in this whole movie we have to mention it somewhere so they added that line oh interesting okay yeah brenda reads a book in her bed and she hears a high-pitched voice saying help me [Applause] this is the scariest thing in the movie yeah it repeats it a few times and she follows the voice out into the rain and uh as she wanders into kind of the middle of the archery range when all the lights turn on and she's freaking out and starts screaming bill and alice are back in the room where they were playing strip monopoly and they decided to look for brenda together because alice doesn't want to be alone at this point they move to her cabin and find a bloody axe in her bed which is the one that was in marcy's face earlier they go to leave in the car but it's dead which is what i assume would have happened to steve's car if he had brought fair enough the cop tells steve that it's a full moon and on top of that it's friday the 13th and it you know makes people go crazy and commit all sorts of insane crimes that's when he gets the call about the fatal accident and he makes steve walk the rest of the way the pov follows someone they stab steve near the camp sign so somehow the killer got all the way back out to the sign at the at the edge of the road and killed steve right as he was arriving at the camp alice wakes up from a nightmare that she was having and she's screaming for bill and then she gets up to make some coffee when she realizes oh the lights are out he's probably working on the generator oh did we kill the person that was on the archery range we don't know yet we just saw her screaming that was the last we saw of her oh okay but we will see her again yes right here isn't it uh well not quite yet okay um she finds another body first she heads out to look for bill and she finds him stabbed to the door in that weird position and uh it's just a bunch of arrows that have like pierced him to the door of this cabin she starts screaming she runs back into the cabin where they were playing the game and she ties the door shut like she first she throws a rope over the top of the rafter and i thought she was gonna like reverse epstein kill herself but then she pulls the rope down and ties it to the door handle but the door opens out it does but it she was making it tight enough so it could only go so far so you only think she was though because if you like the ropes she was scared be generous well okay she was scared i'm just saying that this would not have prevented the door from opening it right right the door opens out and she also piled a bunch of crap in front of it which is not going to help a door opening out yeah we call that a lebowski but they do but she does do that so there's an obstacle to give her a few extra seconds to prevent her from getting out of this building because there's the only way in or out all right there's definitely no windows a ton of windows in this place or anything um so once she feels like she's got this door sufficiently barricaded a body comes flying through the window which in the insert is actually just tom savini wearing a dress right what's the body supposed to be it's brenda's body so this is the woman who was on the uh on the archery range when the lights came on is she alive no okay because i know i she i know she's just pretending to be dead but like the little movement they killed her on set okay the same same as the snake but i'm sure it doesn't bother you the same thing happened with the guy stabbed to the door though like you could if you watch him he moves just a little bit and there's a reason for that yeah the makeup was dripping into his eye and there was like a chemical burn that was happening and he couldn't help but like tense all the muscles in his face while it was happening yeah but yeah so uh brenda's body comes through this window alice freaks out and then has to climb over all the [ __ ] that she piled up against the door to get outside and runs headlong into mrs voorhees uh this older woman who just pulled up and is standing next to the side of her car and uh she enters the cabin with with alice and looks around he's like oh my god these poor children oh i don't know if you know the story about uh there was a boy that drowned here and then a couple of counselors were killed later they say that uh he just drowned but i think that the counselors weren't paying enough attention to him and we're getting like pov from her of she says she was a chef or that sounds familiar she was working at the camp as a chef and we have these shots from her perspective of her son drowning and saying help me help me and she's complaining that none of the counselors were there but it almost feels like she blames herself and is taking it out on these other counselors because she was there and watching him drown and he was saying help me when he was drowning she's like i just had to cook food for all of you yeah i had to make stew i can't be keeping my kids from drowning and so the next line is she mentions that it's his birthday today yeah so he drowned on his birthday yeah well jason has the same birthday as my grandpa it's june 13th is because it's it's june and it's friday the 13th so it has to be june 13th right um which you know he says is his birthday so does she only do this on june 13th that are fridays well 58 when she killed those two counselors was a friday the 13th but was it june uh yes i think i have that that it was because there's only like 14 different calendar comments so she only does this on friday the 13th but her son's birthday wasn't to friday the 13th because the sun drowned a year before 58 correct in 57 on the 13th yeah i don't think friday the 13th means so much to her i think she'll just do this whenever someone is at the camp okay oh i assume that she does it every june 13th she waited specifically a year to kill the counselors that she said were responsible i think i think that the actual death date has a significance to her the june 13th i mean it's your son's birthday friday is irrelevant but june 13th is the date yes june 13th does have relevance but i don't think she holds holds off killing only for that day i think she does you think so yes i think she probably kills on other days but then in her mind jason takes over on june 13th well i guess we don't know we don't know when jason died in 57 we just know when the counselors were killed in 58 right was on his birthday so maybe she was just like i'm going to use his birthday as the day that i avenge him yeah maybe we'll have to ask her it's like the end of uh lethal weapon four yeah okay let's go ask him alice knocks her to the ground and rushes to a haunted house ride of her friend's corpses like every time she turns a corner a body comes falling out of a brain sure and she keeps like this is where the movie really started to lose me in the sense of like knock her out run to another location knock her out run to another location well yeah it's um now that we've revealed who it is she can't possibly overpower her and she's so dry she's been killing in the rain all this time yeah but maybe she wore a costume one of those things mrs voorhees starts speaking in the high-pitched jason voice that she used to to lure the other girl out into the woods do you find that female monsters or killers are scarier i think i always thought so i started looking this up and and maybe you have a better idea than because i wasn't finding a lot of research on it i feel like this is the first time we have a female killer that we are surprised at the reveal is a female killer because the only female killers i could find in films before this you knew the whole time that it was a female killer what about the christmas movie we watched black christmas to all a good night at night okay that was this year yeah it was this year but it was prior to this it actually came out it was supposed to come out at the end of the previous year of 79. okay but aside from those too right well think about it that's like that's a conversation we're about to have here but so uh voorhees slaps the [ __ ] out of alice who just continues to kick her away um alice sits down and waits by the lake thinking that she's killed mrs voorhees because the last time she knocked her over there was blood under her head yeah considering that this woman has just gone and overpowered many men in this camp it seems weird that she is so easily taken out by this this girl well alice knows taekwondo but that's the thing about all these movies once the killer is revealed they're all human yeah she sits by the side of the lake and looks at her reflection in the water and impossibly sees a person sneaking up behind her she would just be seeing a reflection of the sky yeah and the sky in that direction in the direction away from not just but there's a wave that angled it was just perfectly curved she's like oh my god that's the perfect wave oh it's mrs moorhees it's so formal do you have a first name um funny you mentioned that they don't mention her first name in the movie yeah they do in a later film it's it's pamela or something like that yeah but uh on a tombstone yeah and at the last second before she's gonna get hit with this machete from voorhees she she pulls up the ore for this uh canoe that's sitting there on the on the shore and the machete chops the oar in half and the two of them fight for a while the machete is knocked loose and then alice picks it up and slices off mrs voorhees head completely at the neck and the head flies off into the lake and her hands just reach up and grasp for the missing head i think it would really happen like that no no for sure not um the machete would stick into her neck about two inches you'd have to be swinging at like helicopter speed uh yeah from my experience of chopping off heads that's definitely not how it goes but alice decides to row the canoe to the middle of the lake so she's safe from this headless corpse but she has to row herself with her hands because the aura was just destroyed so she's just like paddling with one arm lamely out into the middle of the lake and then we fade to the next morning as cops are pulling up to the lake and she is relieved to see them and she starts to rise up in the canoe and then at the last second jason comes lurching up out of the lake pops up behind her throws an arm around her neck and pulls her backwards overboard into the lake the greatest scene of the movie one of the best jump scares of all time and it was tom zavini's idea well i've heard lots of controversy on that there's three people that claim to come to have come up with that idea right but tom savini's the one who gets interviewed the most i know [Laughter] he's the one who's the loudest do you have any confirmation it feels like was that was that in the original script because it feels like it was added on the hospital scene you're talking about or the whole jump scare well both i'm not i don't know what the [ __ ] what the original script looked like uh and the original script doesn't pop up to kill her no yeah because i felt like this and so the the pop-up and pull her in as well as the uh hospital scene were tacked on the end because i feel like they thought hey we just killed our killer we need a way to keep this going well i i i was reading some stuff that they never even even with this scene added on they never really thought about sequels or anything like that yeah to me i think someone was very highly influenced by carrie and carrie had that great jump scare at the end that's what that's what sabine said inspired his pitch of this moment i see but then the following hospital scene we we cut from her having been pulled overboard into the water to her waking up in a hospital surrounded by doctors and police who are telling her everyone's dead and then she says what about the boy did you find the boy and then they're like we didn't find a boy we everybody there was dead we thought you were dead too um and then she's like oh then he's still there and then we cut back to the lake and like they got this it seems like it was just a lucky shot of like bubbles kind of rising from the water in the middle of the lake to imply that like someone's in there breathing still but you see bubbles like all over the surface of the lake it's just something that happens naturally yeah but it was it was a perfect shot yeah so uh do you think i guess imagine the weren't any sequels but do you think they intended that to be a dream or that really happened to her i i thought that they implied that she imagined it yeah uh i was gonna ask if the implication here is that she's the suspect in these murders that's what i would have concluded as the police coming to this you know camp full of murdered bodies and the you're just like no no the old lady whose head is chopped off there she well what's funny also is that you know they slightly mention you know what happened at the camp at the beginning of the movie but the whole thing with mrs warhees and jason just kind of comes out of left field like here's this whole entire back story that we're gonna tell you in in two minutes at the end of the movie and if that was and if she told the cops that same story it would be like well how are you even involved with that story like it just doesn't it's weird i mean the story would check out if they were like oh that woman was an employee of this camp and her son did drown here well that's true so i guess she yeah she could the motive checks out at the very least yeah that's true but that doesn't make clear that she's the person who killed all these other counselors yeah and there would be questions about how did this you know 60 something year old woman uh attack all these 20 year old guys by herself unless they're like hey you probably saw that story down at the library you came up with a good alibi for yourself planned it just to murder all these people uh but yeah according to tom zavini at least that last shot was his suggestion because he had just seen carrie and he wanted a chair jumper moment for the end of the movie um and screenwriter victor miller was very disappointed by jason's resurrection in the sequels as a villain because he was only ever meant to be the victim of this story right which i think is points in the column of she imagined the kid jumping out of the lake because that changes the kid from being a victim to being the attacker now why do you think tom savini uh designed little boy jason to have that strange looking face like it doesn't really add much to the story that he looked weird he looked weird before he died though exactly but why do you think that was because he was supposed to be like he's like the kid that's left out that nobody cares about that's part of the counselors not paying attention but was that thought out for this movie or was it just supposed to be like he was sticking he had a weird face i think he was supposed to be just yeah having left in the lake for so long no at the yeah well and i think that it's interesting that then in the sequels we come back and he's a full-grown man whereas in this scene he's a boy so i feel like this must be a you know an imagined scene yeah that's true yeah i think that people probably do age and can't breathe underwater well i'm just saying if we bring him back as the killer and we're implying that he's a full-grown man this is that would be right after this has happened so he's not a boy here what if this is a sequel to the shape of water [Laughter] like when they let the fish guy away he ate a child at the summer camp this is the child that they had oh yeah there you go that makes sense um a 2009 remake was produced by michael bay and it's a remake that encompasses the first three films uh first four apparently four really yeah um it was directed by marcus naspell who was the director of the 2003 texas chainsaw massacre remake which i hate i didn't like it either yeah anytime you hear michael bay i get excited it's like oh michael bay's doing a thing oh that's great oh he's producing but he's not directing keep it away from me it's automatically bad if he's just producing it if it's just like the teenage space ninja aliens and it's like why why did you make them not what they were before but then he had to like go back and change it all yeah he his uh his horror remakes have not been great you know it's funny because uh like texas chainsaw massacre that at least in the horror community lots of people love that movie i think it's the first one or the remake the remake they think it's a great remake and no i think it's they're they're no incorrect yeah the first one's great but and so the jason is the predominant villain of the 2009 friday the 13th remake and that was derek mears playing the part and he's wearing the hockey mask which didn't show up until like the third or fourth film yeah third movie and uh it's actually made from the same mold as the mask that they used in the third film oh yeah but i want to talk about to all a good night a little bit more because i want i want some answers here somebody says this is a horror film that came out on january 30th of 1980 okay and it's basically house on sorority row they're playing a prank on a girl the girl dies and uh a couple years later her mom comes back to avenge her dead daughter but in that movie she's wearing a santa costume for all of the murders uh-huh and it's actually technically both of her parents uh killing everybody but uh most of it is focusing on the mother in that movie we have a crazy ralph character who is like another seven foot tall like [ __ ] guys true keeps jumping out and telling everyone that they're that they're gonna be in trouble yeah and that there's a curse and that these people need to like pray because they're gonna get killed we have a bunch of girls and guys sitting around a fireplace at night with a dude strumming a guitar from the same angle as we got that shot in this movie that's less of a coincidence the killer is the mother of someone who died there years earlier wearing boots and gloves to disguise her age and gender throughout the attacks the older woman killer is no longer able to fight once she's revealed herself and another typical horror trope but we wait until the people decide we have to call the police to show the line cut on the outside of the building but i think the more stunning coincidence aside from the mother avenging a dead child and that being the surprise at the end that the mother is the killer the fact that there's a crazy ralph who's telling him like his name is ralph too is it really yeah yes yes like it's true it just seems like too much of a coincidence like like somebody from one set heard about the other set shooting at the same time and like borrowed stuff but it's also one of those things that you know some things are just like in the zeitgeist of the time like this is what this is what's ralph is just what crazy ralph is what a crazy person is called in 1980 you know and that's and and the concept of a woman avenging a child in a horror film was just it was its time but that that this i think as far as i know tuala goodnight is the first example of that happening where it turns out that it's the mother of the victim coming back to kill all the people that she feels are responsible so it's just weird that it came out six months before five months before friday the 13th and just beat it to the punch barely it's it's not a capably made film and the script is mostly garbage which makes me think that like someone there got an early draft of friday the 13th and was like this sounds amazing i'm going to rewrite it in two days as a different story make it a christmas movie and make it a christmas sit on it until january yeah and we're going to beat them to the punch with this well did you google it uh there wasn't anything i mean there's there's no clear argument that oh yeah the the screenwriters were roommates and one of them was a jackass but are people making the connection no one's seen to well a good night it had nobody in it jennifer runyon is the biggest name in that movie and she was i know her canyon yeah her canyon is very popular whoa i don't know where canyon then um she's uh she's in ghostbusters she's the girl at the beginning is it a star it is a star oh yeah yeah she's she's the most famous person in that movie speaking of that about ghostbusters it's funny because she's only credited as girl in ghostbusters yet uh uh peter vegan calls her jennifer yeah because that's the actress's name he's just talking he's just hitting on the actress um changes from the early draft that i have um the pov uh before the killer is revealed is referred to as the prowler throughout the script the shape of halloween yes the prowler loses her pinky finger in the 1950s attack in the story and so later on in the film we get clues that when we see a person missing a pinky oh this is the killer but it's always in like you never see the person head-on so you don't identify the person i was reading about that and they didn't do that because it was too hard of an effect to pull off to make someone lose their finger she should make their head disappear but not a finger yeah that's just crazy this was a line that i really liked from the from the script suddenly from between two parked cars pops ralph a crazy hobo who has two dead rats in his mouth their tails in his teeth they swing from him like a strange beard i just like that line i wish that made it into the film you know that's very funny because i was watching um it was tom savini on the david letterman show in the early 80s and one of the props he brought out was a fake rat that that you could put in your mouth that's wonderful what a great adventure so maybe he was prepping that for this um some of the other changes from the original script we talked about as we were going the prowler throwing the snake in the window uh jack almost getting electrocuted at one point in the script ned refers to brenda as a wily oriental which i think has an implication for an original casting decision that was also neglected ned fakes choking not drowning there was a second piece of graffiti in that bathroom stall that said the yellow stream by ip daily and there's no hospital scene at the end of the movie so those are the major changes from the script to the feature film the way it ended up um the director sean s cunningham uh he stepped away after the first film to produce the uh first second and fourth house movies oh yeah that's right i love house two the second story i've only seen the first one but i was reading about the second one and i was i thought it was funny that because in the first one his neighbor is norm peter that's right and then in the second one cliff is his neighbor yeah he's not a neighbor but he's uh he's an exterminator right but it's just funny that he had another cheers character come on replace him i feel like you would love house too yeah i i like house a lot so yeah well house two is is more of a comedy than is william cat in all four of them no no okay is he just in the first two wait uh is william cat the main person from the original he's not in the second one either oh is he not who's the main guy in the second one i'm blanking on his name right now but he's an 80s actor that you would recognize okay um but yeah it's a completely different story different cast that's nothing to do with the first one oh really yeah so there's no uh vietnam flashbacks and no this one's about a guy that uh his great-great-grandfather was like a cowboy in the old west and there was a crystal skull that uh him and a crystal skull crystal skull at him and his partner we're fighting over and the crystal skull uh gives eternal life okay i'm gonna guess this main character according to imdb is jesse uh played by arie gross but you know who else who i love is that's in-house too who's that royal dano who's oh okay do you know who that is that sounds familiar well he uh i like him most as the voice of abraham lincoln a great moment with mr lake okay we uh we had a couple people from house on our macgyver podcast um the first house uh yeah the first house movie funnily enough i was just looking up ari gross's movies or credits here and he was on an episode of macgyver of the reboot of the reboot yeah yeah um i was gonna say he was not you know it's funny because i'm serious i've always loved house two and uh my friend david park uh he loves house two also and we'd be talking about it even on the podcast i talk about it sometimes the whole time in thea thought we were talking about house party oh she thought i thought you were gonna say like the tv show house but um what was the woman's name that was in um she does the voice of american made on the tick oh she was in uh you know the last stand the airport episode of macgyver uh i can't think of her name blanking on her name but we interviewed her um on the podcast and we also interviewed michael anson from ghostbusters um who please exist uh he's the the hotel manager who's like five thousand dollars i have no idea it'd be so much longer so how'd you get how did you get these people uh just imdb pro just reaching out and saying hey we have this podcast we talk about all macgyver episodes and we'd love to hear if you remember anything from them don't give away this secret sauce man it's funny the people that you will get back to you and you're just like oh i didn't expect this person to call me back but then there's other people where it's like when i when i got on the phone with terry hatcher's manager and as soon as i said the word podcast they just hung up they don't even like it i remember uh when i was interning at at universal doing my monster documentary yeah and um i gave a letter to like dreamworks to give to steven spielberg like i talked to steven spielberg's assistant and they were very nice about it but of course i didn't get a response sure it was like steve's works into a college kids documentary i think the biggest name that we had was probably rob paulson yeah that is um he's the voice of yakko warner and a lot of other people raphael on the original ninja turtles and um he's a lot of disney characters too huh very nice what's uh toodles on the mickey mouse clubhouse yes yeah after they gave the character a voice yeah but yeah uh back to sean cunningham uh he did come back to the friday series to produce jason goes to hell and he also directed a chase scene in the first nightmare on elm street film uncredited which scene do you know a chase scene it says literally director a chase scene on credit so he directed jason goes to hell he produced well produced okay that's uh the worst one i think um well i don't know if i've actually seen that one jason's not even in it really yeah so it's like the fifth one kind of well this one do you care about spoilers uh not particularly okay well uh in this movie um jason is dead and they are performing an autopsy and people kind of get possessed by his spirit and they eat his heart and his organs and people keep uh passing on the jason spirit is that why they had to clone him for jason x to work maybe i don't know um writer victor miller uh basically after this transition to soaps he wrote for all my children another world general hospital guiding light one life to live um lots of episodes of each show um the other writer on the script that i have that have the cop scene was ron kurtz uh he's listed on imdb as an uncredited writer but uh he wrote friday part two and a lot of non-canon friday the 13th shorts recently probably like a web series or something where they're like you're connected to the franchise you have a credit on the first movie you then this will all be considered canon by someone who's not paying attention um the composer here was uh harry manfredini yeah of course he has lots of sequel credits for this because you can't make afraid of the 13th movie without the i like how you know that fact so now you always do it that way right i'm not going to say ever again last time swearing it off he was also the composer for the house film series oh um he his house to the second story for the whole the whole set i love that they reused the score for all four films i think really yeah because it was one credit for the score and then it got reused over the course of the series he also did the credits of 12 of david dakota's 13 13 movies oh excellent uh which if you're not familiar are extremely cheaply produced films that are shot usually over a weekend often in the same house yeah that we looked up the price to rent is like four thousand dollars for a weekend or something like that um we were gonna go there and just watch all the 13 13 movies they were all on netflix at one point right yeah yeah but i don't know about it anymore it's literally just an hour and a half of a person walking around the house going hello hello and they're getting killed every single time all the different movies for the saints he also uh manfredi needed the score for a talking cat yeah but that's also that's the coach which is the dakota film yeah that one we've seen i don't it's not just the 13 13 movies though i'm saying i also did a talking cat and the less celebrated a talking pony i thought a talking cat was one of the 13 13 movies it doesn't have 13 13 on the title i mean oh i see a talking pony is the is the exact same story as the talking cat but with the talking pony and they didn't have eric roberts drunkenly slurring all of the cats lines so they got the dad from a talking cat to be the voice of the pony um so yeah that happened betsy palmer played mrs voorhees this was her first feature film appearance since 1959 um after she killed those counselors [Laughter] uh she really low for a while yeah she has a credit for the sequel but i'm pretty sure that's archival footage um because i know her head is wrapped up in the fridge very early in the second movie you know it's funny with betsy palmer uh she was very very popular on game shows of the 1950s and 60s like i watched lots of old episodes of um you know password sure and uh i've got a secret and she's always on the panel that's weird like there's a young mrs voice adrian king was alice here uh she comes back for the sequel as unceremoniously killed and a lot of people are very upset about it she wanted to be killed yes because do you want to get into that oh you can't yeah uh basically um i i believe the story is she had a stalker uh after friday the 13th that didn't want to be involved with it any longer oh okay it seems like you could just write that character out of the series if you wanted to you need some connective tissue i guess well it i guess it was foreclosure for the stalker it's like oh she finally she must have just somebody beat me to it um she recently appeared as the voice in silent night bloody night the homecoming which i'm assuming is like a voice over the phone or something is that different than silent night deadly night yes uh silent night bloody night the original sunlight bloody night actually came out even before 1980. and i deadly night didn't come out until 1984. right yeah which actually my deadly night there's actually that would have been a better title for to all a good night because there's actually a person wearing a medieval armor in that movie so if you called it silent night deadly night because the person's standing very silently for most of the scene and then pulls out a crossbow and shoots someone through the back of the head but bloody night would have been even better because bloody is an english term there you go um she uh alice used to actually host tours at the campsite where the film was shot really yeah robbie morgan we discussed before was annie she was at the screening and we've talked about her a bunch already she talked a lot about the screening about being in the movie what's the matter with helen yes uh when she was much younger yeah i don't i don't remember the movie very well but i remember my grandma my uncle always talked about that movie growing up they loved it it was 1970 right she said it was like a decade 71 i think okay yeah kevin bacon is jack here uh this was his second film after uh first appearing in animal house uh he was valentine mckee and tremors he plays another jack in another 13 movie apollo 13. wasn't there something on imdb about how many characters he's playing like nine different jacks yeah he also played jacques in super um speaking of siskel and neighbors spoiling movies for people and he recently did a tv movie to kick off a tremor series reboot that didn't get picked up and i don't think the tv movie ever even aired but they shot a tv movie that was supposed to be like the impetus for a series that never happened harry crosby was bill um this was his first and second to last film credit uh before playing cute rocker in hollow venus diary of a go-go dancer he is the son of bing crosby oh dear um and likely victim of uh bags of oranges over the course of his life they don't leave bruises and that it's funny because uh beating children with oranges is funny because no i want to hear the rest of this thing no uh him being the son of bing crosby uh people thought that he was hired because of that not only being the son of bing crosby but also connecting against halloween since jamie curtis is the star of a big celebrity janet lee but apparently the makers of friday the 13th uh didn't promote that or didn't even realize they should promote that yeah and he also is not a huge part of the movie yeah so i feel like if they made him the main character or something then it would have made more sense but it's weird to say that he's the selling point by the way uh betsy palmer yep she got top billing like on the posters and stuff i think yeah and in the credits she's like the last name but if you're going to a movie and you know betsy palmer is going to be in it and she's not in it isn't it obvious she's going to be the killer yes what if she's the one who saves the day i don't know i feel like when you have a big name in a movie and she was you know she used to be big yeah it's obvious that she's gonna be the killer do you think it would have been better to introduce her earlier in the film or would that have been spoilery i don't think it would have mattered i think it still would have been obvious what if she had been the bartender at the diner in the beginning i don't know maybe i guess you if if we did see her at the beginning i could see her possibly end up being the hero saving everyone yeah i think that could have been an option to go with for that um lori bartram was brenda that's the girl who gets killed on the archery range this was her last film because they killed her for this movie uh no she died of pancreatic cancer at the age of 49 in 2007. yeah rex everhart was the truck driver uh he plays the desk sergeant in superman and he's the voice of maurice in beauty and the beast crazy old maurice crazy old maurice yeah that's great i actually think he's the best actor in the movie i love his scene yeah i think he's just authentically a creepy man because he's grabbing her ass crazy old maurice crazy old maurice uh walt gourney was crazy ralph why not just go with walt gourney why'd you change his name not crazy enough crazy crazy uh he reprises the role of crazy ralph in part two and he returned to the franchise to narrate the opening of part seven he also plays duke domestic in trading places ari lehmann was jason here uh this was his second feature nothing between this and 2006 um and then he did a bunch of cool stuff i wrote down my favorite titles hellophone pi day die day oh i want to see that and the leaf blower massacre 2. he was an actor in them uh no he just came up with the titles yeah no i think he was in all this he's a really great fun person um noel cunningham uh played a boy in the 1958 camping circle uncredited he is the son of director sean um is he the one that gets killed um i don't know actually i know because i think that boy had a name okay um but he sean wanted him to play young jason and uh his wife was like no you're not going to do that so that that kid is probably so upset so mad at his mom it could have been jason um he would have made a ton of money signing at conventions just well i'm sure he does anyway um he also went on to work in editorial on jason goes to hell and he uh co-produced jason x erwin keys yeah shows up as a busboy in the diner at the beginning of the film i don't think he even has a single line he doesn't have this line but i recognized him immediately he played jacques in privatize the hunchback character uh so we covered his credits pretty recently uh tom savini is uncredited as man the knife killer i don't know what that means but when we see pieces of mrs voorhees walking around we just see her feet or her arms usually it was tom savini's assistant yeah but i think they're saying there's a particular shot where it was his hand yeah within holding the knife yeah but i told you there was a couple shots i'm like those are man hands well yeah but just the wording of man the knife killer is a weird choice is that a 98 yeah this is copied and pasted directly into my notes um you know what i thought was good though like i i thought that too it looks like man hands but i like that they kept the detail in of the big ring on the finger because i and i noticed mrs voorhees had that same ring yeah i like that tom savini obviously a very well celebrated makeup artist specifically for like zombie and slasher movies a lot of horror and sci-fi well he got huge from uh dawn of the dead from 1978 and this it was a kind of a competition they wanted him for this because of donovan right yeah um he was inspired initially by the man of a thousand faces and uh also from having gone to vietnam and seeing like some messed up stuff in person yeah and uh he became the go-to expert for that kind of gore and he's an actor in a ton of things too that's true yeah and he's worked with george romero and robert rodriguez on a bunch of stuff um on both sides as makeup and as characters yeah um he appears on screen as the head of the biker gang and dawn of the dead and a sex machine who is another biker in from dusk till dawn he also appeared as mr callahan in perks of being a wallflower which i thought was interesting i think he's in a grind house also planet terror maybe that sounds right yeah um robert rodriguez again yeah well the only thing i wanted to mention also was after we saw the movie i wanted to do a little bit of research so i pulled up my uh collection of famous monsters of filmline magazine which is my favorite monster magazine and they had an issue from may 1980 when did this come out again may 1981 may 1980 and it has the synopsis of the entire movie in it it gives away who the killer is like at the end of at the end of the thing it says uh yes you're welcome well it says uh it it gives the story of the movie it'll say suddenly a hideous deformed child mrs voorhees's son jason reaches up from the depths his clammy hands reach around her neck and but we shouldn't really tell you anymore you just told us everything that's basically how gene siskel's review of the movie started because and that was that posted on the day that the movie came out but what's funny also is the cover of that issue of famous monsters was the deformed kid wrapping his arm around her it was the close-up of the deformed kid uh so you know it's gonna be in the movie somewhere yeah yeah interesting interesting choice i always find it funny when you go back to look at materials from when the movie came out and how how they marketed it yeah and how spoilery everything is yeah um it was it's funny because people say that about trailers now they're like oh trailers now just give away the whole movie it's like i kind of always did that oh yeah a little bit every monster movie trailer has what how the main monster dies in the trailer yeah why don't we get into our ups or downs here jess what do you think up or down oh it's definitely up yeah for sure up from what up as in you would recommend it or you would not right okay up i recommend it richard uh as a down yeah that's what i thought yeah i i'm not a fan of horror films and this film did didn't do anything for me i do appreciate obviously what it does for pop culture and that it was the beginning of this a whole bunch of other movies but while i recommend it i will say it's not one of my favorite horror movies no like there's so much better things to watch friday the 13th as i told you is my least favorite series out of the big horror gallery series and for friday the 13th movies the first one isn't even my favorite that's freddy versus jason right then probably friday the 13th 3d is that the third one i'm assuming yeah and then probably corey feldman but this one's fun and you know you got to give it some sort of credit for starting the friday the 13th series because it is such a huge phenomenon or it got to be like seeing a killer at a hockey mask is as almost as popular as like seeing frankenstein walking around yeah but i i also think like uh it's still an up for me but when you hear that the writer and director met on the set of here come the tigers which is such a dumb blatant rip-off of bad news bears in terms of just the title and basic premise and then you're like oh this was just meatballs meets halloween and you're like oh yeah they just took a scary day of the year as a title yeah and changed it to a different scary day of the year as the title and it's like now let me ask you this why do you think friday the 13th took off and not the other rip-offs um it's actually capably written and the performances are pretty good kind of shot really well actually and i think tom zubini's makeup goes a long way yeah the we had a lot of complaints about the gore in uh to all a good night just in terms of like missed opportunities for severed heads and things like that because someone does get their head cut off but we never see it after that point um it's just kind of jammed on a shower head but we wanted blood coming out of it and i think also just sort of by accident the screenwriter stumbled onto this reversal of psycho where instead of the sun emulating his dead mother it's the mother emulating the dead sun right and it like there was there's something that that connects with people in the in that story and since it hadn't been done in a film that people had seen before this point i think that it it seemed very original to people and it's different enough from halloween that i don't think people were like oh that's just the same movie as halloween yeah so and it's just a neat title yeah yeah i like the way it looks too that's the same way that they're adding variety like these big block letters breaking a glass pane it wasn't there someone when they were selling the movie they were just they saw that title breaking the glass and they're like i gotta make this movie yes the people who had produced uh last house on the left and a couple other movies for sean cunningham for cunningham and for wes craven okay um we're like oh you have a new movie coming out we'd like to throw money at you but they had all these conditions like you have to have this you have to have that and they were like no we're going to wait for other investors because you know we just put this ad out and then they didn't get messages from anybody else so they just settled for more creative control and a significantly lower budget than they were asking for so that they could make this movie and as a result of retaining the rights it turned out really well for everybody yeah letterboxed so i put this movie i think i think this one is ninth for the year it's uh just below the fog and just above little miss marker uh above above the fog for the year is mad max the changeling my brilliant career forbidden zone the ninth configuration where the buffalo roam and little darlings did you see oh okay you're going counting upward okay yes i was counting up okay that was confusing me um robert looking at the list of what we've covered so far you decided that three films that you've seen so far yes uh besides friday the 13th uh the other ones that i have seen that you guys have covered thus far are the forbidden zone and the fog uh i would rank friday the 13th as my least favorite of the three even though i still enjoy it sure uh the fog i like more i don't know the fog that well it's been a while since i've seen it but i remember liking it and forbidden zone i just love i own it yeah same here yeah yeah we're big fans except for richard [Music] it's on the top of my list right now really yeah it's very high on mine yeah just the way it's shot is just so weird and you'd like gorp then because everyone in that movie is acting like they're in forbidden zone but it's supposed to be real life for some reason yeah it's very weird it's black and white no it's terrible no you would hate corp it's no i think he would actually love it you really think so yeah because he loves everything i hate so you like gorb no i hated gorp i mean that's what i meant to say yes but but you love forbidden zone that's true but i said you like everything i hate i didn't say you hate everything i like or love sure richard where's this going your litter box um this is gonna go just above to all good night okay i feel that that's fitting yeah uh given your your comparison yes that's but i do like it better than that one what's the number ranking uh i don't know it's pretty low it's real wow it's it's in the bottom half of it we have 39 movies you have like 10 9 or 10 below it yeah we have a thing that we openly call the windows threshold yes uh which windows is a movie that's competently made but just not great it's all right and it's like uh well anything below that is just not worth your time like jumping the shark yeah yeah it's jumping through the window but my windows threshold is much lower than your guys's it actually starts at like it's a fatso threshold for me but yeah um for me this movie is going to go between mad max and the fog so in order from the top i have forbidden zone in first place changeling ninth configuration little darlings mad max this in sixth place right now oh that's pretty high so yeah no i like this movie and uh obviously i love john carpenter and i love the fog but i would rather watch this again than watch the fog again yeah robert has his own podcast why don't you tell us about your podcast i do i do a podcast with my wife in thea and it's called pods and monsters and it's all about monster movies and horror movies anything that has a creature in it and uh we review talk about the movies do fun facts trivia all that stuff it's sort of like this podcast but a horror themed podcast i thought you're gonna say better it's a little better i'm not gonna probably better what defines creature i was just gonna ask that uh basically anything that is a monster and a monster can be human or it can be uh it could be an animal like uh jaws it's friday the 13th the monster movie yes okay because the beast from krull yes crawl will be the crawl will be done in fact if you listen to the opening of potter monsters i have the slayer scream nice which was also used in an american world for london well i think i have dibs as a guest for uh big trouble in little china and or tremors whichever comes first that's right probably big trouble a little china okay and uh i will consider that a monster movie someone asked me if um this guy asked me if for pods of monsters if i would do 20 000 leagues under the sea now there is a giant squid in it yeah but i don't think i would do that one for pods of monsters no yeah i mean because it really exists well i mean there's giant sharks and i do jaws but uh i don't know i i think maybe if the squid was a bigger focus yeah yeah so i don't know maybe when i start to run out that'll come on all right well i uh i highly recommend that people check out uh robert's podcast if you like horror films or monster films because i know he's not going to say this but i think he is an authority on them well thank you and uh and he and his wife are very entertaining it's a great show thank you and you might hear one of us on it at some point so that's a reason not to listen maybe if this is your first one you're not a fan what movies would you guys want to do if you were on the show that's a good question i kind of already gave mine away crawl yeah i'm trying to remember monsters in crawl well there's the slayers and then there's the beast himself oh okay yeah crawl will definitely be done all right um i think that's everything for this one if you guys have any thoughts you'd like to share with us we are vintage video pod on twitter facebook instagram and letterbox where as i've said before you can find each of our full movie rankings for the year we can also be found at vintagevideopodcast.com please consider rating us on itunes to help people 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that's fantastic for others why do you realize that could be the answer to the fuel shortage i'm afraid not special kind of thing comes from saudi arabia i'll get my piano number in half an hour if you need me earlier call me on my jock strap but please just ring once what did he say he asked me to take my hand out of his groin what did he say he wants you to put your hand in his groin only one man has the power the skill and the charisma to save the world from global nudity and loving it done adam stars in the nude bomb [Music] on video cassette there are a lot of people out there that would like to see me dead they're not all out there