we're on a mission from god

wendy so i got that going darling

looks like i picked the wrong way to

quit sniffing blue light

of my life we enjoy your films

i thought they smelled bad on the

outside

[Music]

welcome to vintage video where we're

re-watching the 80s so you don't have to

we'll be reviewing every major film

release of the 1980s in real time

i'm patrick o'reilly i'm jesse bayless

and i'm richard wells and today marks

the 40th anniversary of the release of

the shining on may 23rd

1980 70th birthday of the great scat man

crothers

who would be turning 110 if he were

around today

it came out on his birthday it came out

on his birthday oh well that's so sweet

especially after we watched the footage

of how much he

loved working on this movie it's a nice

little birthday gift for him

this was written by stanley kubrick and

diane johnson based on a novel by

stephen king

directed by stanley kubrick and released

by warner brothers

have you read the novel i have how does

it compare to the novel

i read the novel before i saw the movie

the first time

and so like most of america i did not

like this movie the first time i saw it

because it was so different from the

book that i was like oh what he totally

screwed it up and now we're watching it

i'm like oh no this is

still a great movie and the book

actually has more problems than the

movie does but

i i like the book and the the tv movie

is

basically the story of the book but so

five years after barry lyndon

kubrick decided that he was going to

take a shot at adapting a horror novel

and according to the hollywood legend

kubrick locked himself in his office

with a pile of horror novels

and his secretary would hear him throw

books at the wall of his office as he

gave up on each one

after a longer than usual gap between

thuds she entered the office to find him

reading stephen king's the shining

during the casting process nicholson was

always kubrick's first choice

but other actors that were considered

for the role were de niro robin williams

and harrison ford

this was nicholson's fourth film with

skatman crothers

after king of marvin gardens the fortune

uh one flew over the cuckoo's nest

and then this the audition process for

dany spanned

five thousand prospective children

kubrick was looking

for a kid with an accent that fell

between nicholson and duvall's speech

patterns

because that's how he does things i mean

i feel like

you're lucky to get a kid that can just

act at all

do yeah do what you ask them to do on a

regular basis

and i i don't even think that he talks

enough in this movie for you to be like

oh he sounds like a mix of shelley

duvall and

jack nicholson but but also you have two

people who

speak both very unusually and very

differently

that's true yeah danny lloyd apparently

came up with the talking finger gesture

on his own

during the audition process kubrick

initially wanted carrie guffey from

close encounters to play the part

but his parents refused which i

would have to assume they regret now

maybe

at the very least i would be

disappointed if i were him that i were

kept out of this movie i guess we'd have

to ask danny lloyd

yeah yeah i mean they might not i mean

this kid was probably

exposed to things that you wouldn't want

your i don't know how old was he a

six-year-old exposed to at the time i

don't know

well i uh according to what i read i

don't know if i'm stepping on your toes

here pat

was that they they shielded him from as

much

as possible right he didn't know it was

a horror film so he never saw any blood

or anything like that

he thought it was a drama he thought it

was just a family drama

and he actually didn't see the movie

until he was 17. oh wow well i mean

still there's scenes where he gets

you know yelled at by jack nicholson and

that is terrifying

sure yeah yeah jack nicholson yelling at

me as a grown man would be terrifying

i would be interested lloyd the

bartender was originally supposed to be

played by harry dean stanton but he was

unfortunately too busy shooting alien

which would have been neat to have him

here although i do kind of like it being

someone that i didn't necessarily

recognize

yeah the hotel interior sets were

constructed at elstree studios in

england

and based on the awani hotel in yosemite

national park

this included a full-size replica of the

hotel built indoors for a few fake

exteriors specifically where snow is

piled up against the side of the

building

snow from the hoth set was reused for

these sequences

that's amazing i love it shooting went

so long that

reds and raiders of the lost ark both

had to reschedule their shooting at

elstree

uh because every single stage was in use

well i could imagine i mean those sets

are enormous they're huge

they're absolutely enormous and they

seem like

they were built in such a way and i i

assume because they needed to do these

really long sweeping shots they're like

one continuous huge set as if it were

actually the hotel the hallways connect

to all the rooms that you would expect

them to connect to

and that whole massive lobby with the

with the windows on the wall

is all one contiguous site yeah that's

shocking that that's an

interior i mean it's just it shows you

how well it's shot

yeah the exteriors are actually the

timberline lodge

on mount hood in oregon but they're only

featured i think in the very beginning

and end of the film most of it is

is those interiors in the fake exterior

in the book the overlook was based on

the stanley hotel in estes park colorado

the pages and pages of typewriter

gibberish were translated into similar

phrases in other languages for each

foreign language version of the film

i'd hate to have to be the pa that typed

all those out it was

uh stanley secretary did all of it

but yeah a lot of typing i don't know if

she did it for every language but

uh the door the jackax is down is

obviously a real door

because they tried a fake door and it

just basically exploded when he hit it

with the axe

um so and he used to be a volunteer

firefighter so they

had to put in a real door because he was

strong enough to punch through it but

that's terrifying because

like she is actually on the other side

of this door that he is axing down

right but she's not leaning against the

door she's actually leaning against the

bathroom wall further back yeah but

when you're hitting an actual wooden

door

splinters are gonna fly pieces of wood

are coming out at you like that's

that's scary yeah you're gonna need uh

that robot from saturn three to come and

get the splinter out of your eye

what was his name hector hector yeah

said at the same time maybe even a

little bit faster

kubrick did not get the here's johnny

reference and nearly used another take

because

he was not living in america at the time

and uh so he was

you didn't use the david letterman take

yeah exactly

[Music]

what i don't know brian wasn't on

carson included the clip at the

beginning of his 1980 anniversary

special

uh so like when the show would normally

have started it just cut to

that scene of jack nicholson swinging an

axe into a door

and people are like why is the shining

suddenly on that movie just came out

and then he says here's johnny and then

it frees frames and then faded into the

show

um and it was very well received

uh during production kubrick screened

david lynch's eraserhead for the cast

and crew to inform the mood he was going

for

the shining is one of the first films to

utilize the steadicam

so early in fact that garrett brown who

invented it was the operator of the

steadicam on set because he had the most

hours experience with it

i was absolutely blown away by these

shots

i mean i i pointed them out to you when

we were watching them that i'm just like

i

i know how they make these movies and i

don't know how they got these shots so

good

it just it blows me away they're running

through these long hallways

and everything in this movie is so

beautifully like center framed and

symmetrical

so like the the action is always like

taking place right in the middle and

everything on both sides is you know is

symmetrical and

they maintain that on these long shots

where you're going over

carpeting and back onto hardwood floors

and through these hallways and it's just

it's so

beautifully smooth and well framed the

entire time it blows me away

yeah it's really incredible what they

accomplished with it and actually

garrett brown was really

ecstatic at this use of the city cam

because prior to this

i think they used it on rocky and a

couple other movies but it was mostly

like

when a character is running upstairs

really fast or

like an action sequence where the camera

is being jostled around and they wanted

it to be a little bit steadier

but nobody was using it to to actually

affect the feel

of the scene oh it completely informs

the mood here exactly

and and he really liked that this was

making use of it in a creative way

instead of just like to solve the

problem

of the image being shaky yeah this this

definitely gives you a very

eerie pov feel yeah that that i

i guess you didn't have in a movie

before it's pretty awesome

uh and you didn't you say that they used

the some sort of steadicam

on the airplane shots too because i was

blown away at how steady the

um the opening shot is yeah when they're

moving over the lake they're going yeah

they're going over the lake i'm like how

did they

get this yeah it's really cool and it's

like a fisheye lens too so you're

like it's like the landscape is

stretching out toward you as it's

flying over it it's very cool and i

think the score

with the camera work affects it a lot

wendy carlos and rachel elkind wrote and

performed a full

electronic score for the film but

stanley kubrick discarded most of it

and used the soundtrack of largely

classical music only their adaptation of

deus array

the the opening song as you see the

volkswagen bug driving through the hills

during the opening credits

and the music during the drive to the

hotel

with all the family in the car and a few

other brief moments

such as halloran's plane trip survived

to the final version

carlos and elkin said that the film was

a little on the long side

and there were great gobs of scenes that

never made it into the film

there was a whole strange and mystical

scene in which jack nicholson discovers

objects

that have been arranged in his working

space in the ballroom with arrows and

things

he walks down and he thinks he hears a

voice and a ghost throws a ball back to

him which we saw earlier this year in

the changeling

none of that made it into the final film

she says we scored a lot of those

we didn't know what was going to be used

for sure stephen king has said that this

is the only adaptation of his work that

he remembers hating

which is unfortunate but i understand it

was not generally well received at the

time

and actually garnered two razzie

nominations for stanley kubrick and

shelly duvall

neither one obviously that is shocking

it's

it's mind-blowing absolutely i was like

quickly like as you're about to get to

the awards i'm like oh did it

you know i'm googling did it won any

academy awards was it nominated

it wasn't even that wasn't even

nominated

of people who i think were the most

deserving on this film of winning an

actual award

yeah and uh scat man actually took home

a saturn award for supporting actor

but yeah no nobody in this got anything

at the oscars for it

what's a saturn award it's a sci-fi

award but

it's it's not for being bad so that's

good yeah

and it's like not even cinematography

like again using

brand new equipment and all these

amazing shots

yeah and not even a cinematography

nomination

and it didn't make good money either

like the critical response when it first

came out

was horrendous opening weekend it lost

to the gong show movie

oh god yeah which costs like ten

thousand dollars i don't know

like nothing and uh and you know word of

mouth eventually built it up and

obviously it's

achieved a cult status since then but um

i think this movie must have

just been really ahead of its time maybe

yeah it's obviously made a huge dent in

the pop culture world with

several simpsons episodes parodying the

film most directly

in the first part of the fifth treehouse

of horror episode called the shining

which is phenomenal yeah we we re-watch

it after we watch the movie or actually

while we were paused in the middle of

the movie and uh it's just great how

they

they build all the same scenes from the

movie and add all these jokes to it

don't be reading my mind between four

and five that's really exciting

see i think that so that was like the

sixth season of the show and i

i know that the simpsons at least for us

is incredibly quotable and i'm like i

probably haven't seen that

that that episode since it came out

until we re-watched it but i'm like i

could have quoted

so many lines for that episode no beer

no tv makes home or something something

go crazy don't mind if i do now

this typewriter will be a window into

his subconscious feeling

fine

[Laughter]

because the film leaves so much open to

interpretation there is a documentary

called room 237

that was released in 2012 outlining some

of the more popular fan theories

as to the underlying intentions of the

filmmakers ranging from

the cultural assimilation of native

americans to child abuse to minotaurs to

the long-standing allegation that

kubrick was employed by nasa to fake the

1969 moon landing

this documentary is intolerable

it absolutely is so you you got it to

watch it and

while you weren't around like you were

working on some edits i was like

i'll put it on and i had to turn it off

like i think i made it 20 minutes into

it before i'm like i can't stand this i

gotta turn it off this is

horrible i remember when i first watched

it

and this would be seven or eight years

ago i guess and

at the time watching it and giving

everyone talking the benefit of the

doubt in my head and being like

oh this must just be a thing that i

didn't notice and like that's clever of

this person

but re-watching it recently i realized

intentionally or not

that it's actually a documentary about

how insane people

can read too far into a movie and into

like random details that obviously don't

mean anything

and the documentary misses the mark

because we're never looking at the

people that are espousing these theories

we're not seeing their houses filled

with cats we're never seeing their

tinfoil hats

yeah and we're just watching the movie

and

often the same scene over and over again

one frame at a time

and it's like this is not how this movie

should have been presented

we should never have seen one frame of

the shining in this movie even when

they're trying to describe to you a

scene from the movie it should have just

been

showing this guy with a big you know a

band-aid on his forehead

and a bunch of cans on his desk telling

you about how

stanley kubrick's face is photoshopped

into the sky of one frame after his name

leaves this

it's like no it's not it's totally i'm

looking at it it's not there they show

us things one frame at a time and i'm

like

i don't see what you don't know what

you're talking about yeah it's uh

it's real bad don't watch it don't waste

your time

this film was readapted as a tv movie in

1997 for abc

who had previously done it and the tommy

knockers and the stand

the shining adaptation was starring

stephen webber and rebecca de monet

and was shot at the actual stanley hotel

that inspired the overlooking king's

novel

it was directed by mick garris and

adapted to tell a play by king himself

he actually wrote the

the script for the tv movie version i'm

gonna get it right

yeah i mean this obviously holds a lot

closer to

the script and there were things that

weren't changed or

to the book but there there were things

that were changed

from the novel to

kubrick's adaptation because of like the

limitations of the visual effects

for example a bunch of topiaries come to

life

and then he changed it to a hedge maze

because they didn't have a way to like

accurately puppeteer a bunch of

topiaries coming to life

i like this version so much better than

that because it's

it's grounded in reality more you know

that

that everything that happens is like his

hallucinations

well his number one complaint is that

and and i tend to agree

that jack nicholson seems like he's

crazy before he gets to the hotel

yeah maybe he seems like

an angry frustrated man i wouldn't call

him crazy

yeah there's when when they're having a

conversation about the donner party

when the three of them are in the bug on

the way up to the hotel he

is making these weird creepy faces into

the camera that kind of

sell him like already having a screw

loose a weird crazy guy

yeah well stephen weber plays it like

and they still

admit to like he had you know a violent

past with danny and

cause problems but uh and actually they

changed that too because in

in the kubrick movie he had dislocated

his shoulder the kid's shoulder but in

the book and in the mini series he broke

his arm like fully broke the arm

but stephen webber still plays it as

more of like a really affectionate

caring father

when they're at the hotel for the first

you know month or so before he starts to

get so it's more of a transition

yeah but i would say it's worth checking

out it's better than

i remembered when i rewatched it for

this but

a sequel to the kubrick shining called

dr sleep which is adapted to

from the sequel to the novel was

released last year

and tried to faithfully sequalize both

incarnations of the shining

so it tries to it makes concessions to

both sides

but it's all right um you watched it or

yeah uh i i really enjoyed it yeah um

it's i liked it better than the book

because i had read the dr sleep book and

i didn't

care for it yeah it's kind of weird

because they

stephen king has been throughout his

entire career now and especially with

the dark tower

been re-establishing that the shining

and the supernatural abilities

aren't a thing they're they're they

aren't like a

supernatural thing they're a physical

thing that you can extract from somebody

yeah um the the guy in the dark tower is

trying to extract it from children

and these uh people in dr sleep are

trying to extract it from

usually from children but are willing to

get it from other sources as well um but

it's something that you can extract and

contain

um and store and then use later it's

it's like a

they're like medicallorians it is and

and

i feel like it suffers the same problem

with the medical audience which is like

the over explaining of this like

mystical power right it was fine just

the way it was

the poster for this film was done by

saul bass who turned in

around 300 versions before this one was

finally approved

and this is the one i know it's kind of

a weird one this is the one that they

picked a distorted jack nicholson face

in the letter t

yeah i was like this this is a terrible

post it's not great

yeah i think i was really because i

didn't see this movie

i think i saw it for the first time

maybe in my early 20s

but i had no idea what the movie was

about before i had seen it i had only

seen the poster

yeah and this poster did not represent

the movie well for me

at all i thought this movie was going to

be about aliens or something yeah it

looks like an alien face

doesn't it it's like stretched out i

like saw bass

posters i do too i really like the

vertigo poster a lot i think that's

great

i'd like to see the 10th or 12th draft

of this i don't think we needed 300.

no i think they went too far out past

the line on this one

it almost seems like a poster from a

foreign country it does

it has that feel to it for sure speed of

forward posters

do love uh oh yeah the post one of the

posters that we have hanging in our

living room

uh has jack nicholson

from this movie even though it's a

poster for one one flew over the

cuckoo's nest

they clearly um it was for the turkish

release of this movie

um and and so they clearly had

never seen cuckoo's nest and they just

got

art from other things that they knew

about it like well this guy's in this

and this yeah this person's in this and

it has jack nicholson squeezing his head

through the hole in the doorway but they

they changed the doorway into like bars

of a prison cell

and it has like shelley duvall screaming

on it even though she's not in

cuckoo's nest right and the movie's

called

and it's got turkish title it's got like

these cavemen

like characters holding a big rock over

their head

with pipes coming out of it with pipes

coming out of it as if it were the sink

i guess

yeah and it has like christopher lee as

a vampire for some reason

there's a lot of weird stuff the poster

is amazing maybe we should put it up on

the instagram

yeah we'll throw that on there you know

granted

this movie came out after cuckoo's nest

right the turkish release was later and

so

this is this was their poster and it is

it's it's fabulous i i got it at a flea

market

sale so it's an authentic poster from

the original release of that movie

yeah it's great it's pretty amazing now

we're into the film uh we start

in uh the colorado mountains is where

we're supposed to be

jack is driving a yellow volkswagen bug

up to the overlook hotel in the

mountains of estes park colorado

we get a quick interview a job interview

it's just him by himself driving

and he gets to the hotel and he sits

down with stuart allman who is the hotel

manager

and they discuss what his duties will be

at the hotel it seems like he basically

already has the job

they're just letting him know right what

to look out for and be worried about

this is just like the final meet and

greet just to make sure

but we we get some indication that it

was not a for sure thing yet

but he's officially finding out here

that yes you you're the man for the job

we get a quick clip back home of wendy

and danny

talking about the upcoming season um

that they are expecting to spend at the

hotel

danny doesn't seem super excited about

it and neither does tony

who is danny's imaginary friend and

tony's speech is indicated

by danny holding up a finger and just

bending the top knuckle too

to speak in this weird froggy voice tony

do you think that'll get the job

he already did he's gonna follow mindy

up in a few minutes to tell her

hullman warns jack that isolation can be

difficult

and he goes into detail talking about

the tragedy of the winter of 1970 10

years ago

wherein delbert grady who was the

previous winter caretaker

came out with his wife and two daughters

and suffered a mental breakdown and

killed his family with an

axe he stacked all of their body parts

in a room probably 237 but it's not

specified here yeah

and uh and shot himself um

in the book and in the miniseries they

don't tell him all of this they just

tell him that

the guy came out here and shot himself

they don't mention the family until

people figure it out on their own danny

talks to tony in a bathroom

at their house he's just holding up his

finger and having a conversation about

the hotel

there's some charlie brown stickers on

the door to the bathroom which

relates to our next movie mm-hmm there's

also

a sticker from uh snow white and seven

dwarves

dopey doesn't relate to anything in

striking contrast with what you'll hear

if you watch room 237

jack calls wendy from the hotel lobby to

say that he officially got the job

and as a result he will probably be late

home tonight because he's getting walked

around the hotel

danny begs tony for an answer as to why

he hates the hotel

and instead of giving him a verbal

answer he gives dany a vision

of the elevator doors opening at the

hotel and blood

pouring out of them which is probably

the most famous shot from this movie

right next to jack nicholson's face in a

in a doorway but i have no idea how they

did this shot

they filled an elevator and opened it

and

dumped it just seems so difficult to get

this shot to look the way

you want it to look well uh from what i

read

it they had to reshoot it multiple times

and each time they had to reset it it

took 90 days

to reset it it took them almost a year

to get the shot that they wanted

so so really they only actually shot it

like three or four times

correct but apparently the only reason

that they had to keep going was because

stanley kubrick was not happy with the

color of the

of the blood coming out of the elevator

door like he was like oh it's too dark

or it's not dark enough

and so that's why they had to reset this

whole thing and clean this whole hallway

out and refill this whole thing that's

crazy they probably had to build a whole

new set

yeah i can't imagine that you can

repaint the walls yeah

i've tried to paint blood off the walls

but this uh

this shot is actually in the trailer for

the movie and the mpaa was like no

no it's not and he's like why not and

they were like

you have like gallons and gallons of

blood coming out of the elevator he's

like oh

no that's that's rusty water they're

like

is it it's like yeah it's rusty water

and they're like okay i guess you can

put it in the trailer

so it's in the trailer amazing i feel

like this is why this movie

is is really good it's reasons like this

that nowadays this would be

a visual effects shot that we would that

we would just tweak and post

we know that for a fact because it's

been in two movies very recently it's

true

that's true and they did not do it

practically i'm sure yeah because they

they they recreated this shot for

ready player one uh for some footage of

ready player one

and they i think they reused the

existing shot

for dr sleep yeah but they like they

punched into it or something like it's

framed differently

yeah um how would you change the framing

every frame in this movie is framed

perfectly yeah

now you read the book for the shiny uh

from what i was reading

because i have not read the book but

from what i was reading up is that tony

is this a spoiler i don't think so that

tony is

supposed to be danny from the future yes

because tony is actually his middle name

anthony is his middle name

and it's supposed to be him trying to

like i guess just kind of

guide him yeah yeah yeah no they they

go into that in the book and in the mini

series but uh here

they don't really explain who tony is so

i feel like that's not really a spoiler

here

so he's trying to shine himself from the

future

yeah okay but after seeing this vision

of the elevator doors

spilling blood all over um danny

apparently collapses because we're

cutting directly to a doctor

checking him out um it seems like he had

he

basically blacked out i don't know if he

had a seizure or anything but the doctor

is telling wendy that he's probably fine

they move out into the living room where

wendy goes into a little bit of detail

about

some trouble that danny's had at school

because he had an injury

he was wearing a cast because jack got

drunk

and yanked on his arm and dislocated his

shoulder but

jack has stopped drinking he hasn't

drunk in five months

and that's kind of where we leave that

conversation with the doctor i do

remember reading somewhere although i

couldn't find it

in preparation for this podcast that

that this one conversation with the

doctor woman

in the living room that they did over

100 takes of this

and that the doctor the woman playing

the doctor here

was like having a breakdown because

she'd never worked on a movie like this

and she thought i'm doing something

wrong or you're like making fun of me by

making me do it again like she was just

going crazy by the end of it

um and he did that to shelly also during

the course of this movie yeah

pretty famously just driving her crazy

on the set

but yeah this was one of those scenes

that for for no reason took

way too many takes to get when it's

really like a nothing scene that

should have been like a one and done but

now it's closing day

the hotel is closing and the family is

driving up to the hotel

as they're driving up they're talking

about the donner party because they

don't want to get stranded in the

mountains without

food and they talk about how the members

of the donner party had to cannibalize

each other

which danny knows all about cannibalism

from television

so when they get to the hotel ullman

gives them

a tour of the building danny moves to

the game room where he's throwing darts

at a board

and when he goes to clear it he turns

around and he sees

these uh sisters in blue dresses that

just kind of turn and walk away in

unison

they're twins in this movie but in all

other iterations they're just

siblings well and at this point it

doesn't seem that unusual because

there's still

people bustling around the hotel right

cleaning up and

preparing to leave so yeah there could

be kids there

exactly only the staff rooms are heated

during the winter

so he goes to show them those rooms it

looks like a pretty nice room i

i feel like watching this movie i was

like man i would love to just stay at

this hotel for

like six months and get paid for it to

just not do anything and sleep in every

day and

full refrigerators yeah the the the

duties that they have to do is to

cycle the boilers and the heat

throughout the hotel right so the pipes

don't freeze and

just so things kind of stay in generally

good shape

which is obviously a bigger deal in the

book and the mini series because it's a

major plot point that the boilers if he

doesn't if he doesn't clear the boiler

because

the pipes are all rusted shut he has to

do it manually and if he doesn't do it

every day

then the boiler will explode and blow up

the whole hotel

which doesn't happen at all in this

movie and is not

relevant to the plot but at the end of

the book the hotel has exploded

wow so i don't think that that was a

necessary plot point

like i mean i guess it is if you want

the hotel to explode but

well he's inside of it when it explodes

so

it plays a part in that movie um that

makes sense

obviously in dr sleep they

well do we want to get into spoilers of

dr sleep

i mean i don't think it's spoiler to say

that they visit the overlook hotel no

it's in the trailer

yeah so the overlook hotel exists still

so clearly that's

keeping with the the shining version of

the story correct

whereas other parts of it are following

the the novel version of the story

but uh the hotel apparently opened in

1909

as did the the hedge maze across the

street which allman walks them past

he shows them the snow cat which drives

just like a car

so if you can drive a car you can drive

the snow cat he uh he takes them to the

gold room

which is emptied of liquor for the

winter season but

jack says that doesn't matter because he

doesn't drink so it's perfect

halloran shows up here in the gold room

dick hallerin is played by scatman

crothers

and he offers to show wendy and danny

the kitchen because they are a woman

and a child and those people need to

know where the kitchen is

and the man needs to know where the axes

are

so he can chop wood and and people

dick starts calling danny doc kind of

unprompted

and wendy seems more shocked than i

think she should be

she probably wouldn't even notice that

he called him doc because they

routinely call him doc but she's like

well i don't remember calling him doc

since we've been here and it's like yeah

but you wouldn't you would just assume

that you said it because this other

person is saying doc now

yeah they they go into a freezer um and

he

talks about how much meat they have in

there and it just sounded amazing

and then they go to a pantry where they

have all the

snack foods and cereals and stuff and

as he's showing it to wendy danny kind

of zones in on halloran

who even though he's like speaking with

wendy is looking directly at danny

and then he asks danny telepathically if

he would like ice cream i'd like some

ice cream

which is the first indication that these

two characters have a connection

that other people don't have while they

leave with almond

he sits down with danny and they have a

little conversation about their powers

the powers that they share

dick's grandmother used to call it the

shining or he

he says that she called it shining not

the shining

danny says that tony won't let him talk

about it with anybody

and dick says did tony tell you anything

about this hotel

then danny says is there something bad

here because he was warned against

coming here but he doesn't know what it

was

and he asks specifically about room 237

and and accuses dick of being scared of

room 237

and dick says there's nothing there and

stay away from it

don't go in there you got no business

going in there yeah which

which i love that that line in ready

player one because

h has not ever seen the shining yeah and

he gets lured into 237 and later on

they're they're talking about it's like

we've got new business going into that

room

uh we get a title card that says a month

later so

we're now with just the family alone at

this hotel wendy is rolling a

uh breakfast in bed into jack

and uh danny is doing laps around the

lobby with the tricycle so we're getting

kind of a

geographic understanding of the hotel

lobby uh wendy says she likes it here

and jack says that he felt when he

arrived like he had been here before

he had some very powerful deja vu when

he got to the hotel the first time

jack bounces a ball off the hotel wall

in that main lobby area

which was bothering you because he's

bouncing it off the wall right next to

this buffalo head

yeah it made me a crazy person well not

only are you throwing it like

towards like this buffalo head which you

could very easily damage if you hit it

but like just throwing it at a nicely

painted wall you could well it's a

tennis ball

but still yeah still leave marks or

dents or dirt or

like but this plays into the native

american just

hitting them hard and just not caring

about their stuff

no no no no it doesn't no don't you know

no it doesn't don't you know it's not

what it's all about metaphors it's not a

conspiracy

metaphor it is the moonlighting one but

um

what nothing nothing i didn't fall

victim to any of the conspiracy theories

about

this movie we never landed on the moon

no that's not even what the guy's saying

the guy's saying we landed on the moon

but they faked it this one time for no

reason

wendy chases danny out of the hotel and

into the hedge maze they actually make

their way all the way to the center of

it

and back in the lobby jack is looking at

a miniature model of the maze

but we cut to this weird like matted

aerial shot

of the maze and then we're slowly

zooming into the center where we

actually

see wendy and danny inside of it and

then we cut to

tuesday wendy is fixing another meal and

she sees a tv report about a missing

hiker

and an incoming snowstorm danny rides

his tricycle past

room 237 and he stops for a second he

stands up and he goes to touch the

locked doorknob

and he sees a flash of the two sisters

again standing in the hallway

jack types for a bit and then wendy

interrupts him to

announce the incoming snow and he gets

really mad at her for coming in the room

at all

because he's trying to work and she

shouldn't be in there

and we cut to thursday by the way this

missing hiker doesn't play into the rest

of this story at all

but we see the girl that goes missing in

the beginning of dr sleep because it

starts in 1980 before it moves to the

present

but the girl disappears also the woman

reporting the snowstorm

is also in the tv movie reporting

a snowstorm yeah it brought the actors

back oh you say oh that's i was

wondering if they just used the same

footage

no they actually brought the action they

were unable to find the body of lois

einhorn

hiker mystics friday you know finkland

einhorn

thursday wendy and danny are playing in

the snow

which is the exterior set of the hotel

you could have fooled me

really yeah like i was like oh it looks

great yeah the only way that you can

tell really

the difference between the exteriors the

the actual exteriors and the fake

exteriors

is that at the very center of the hotel

there's this tall like spire triangular

shape

which is not in the fake exterior but

aside from that it

it looks exactly like the rest of the

hotel and it's very very impressive work

um it had to be a huge set and very

expensive for a movie that didn't

make a lot of money as wendy and danny

are playing in the snow outside jack is

just watching them through the window

with a creepy face and that's basically

all we get from thursday

and then we cut ahead to saturday where

uh

jack is typing again and wendy is trying

to operate the switchboard

she's trying to use the phones but the

phones don't seem to be working so she

goes to allman's office to use the radio

and she reaches out to the local

forestry service

and they tell her the phones are out

because all the polls are above ground

and

they're going to be out till spring

probably they don't really get fixed in

the middle of the season

but he suggests that she leave the radio

on in case they need to contact her for

emergencies

danny trikes around the hotel until he

finds the grady twins again

and here they're telling him

and then he's getting flashes of their

severed

legs and corpses in the hallway with

blood just splattered all over the walls

danny's covering his eyes in shock and

just terrified of what's happening

and uh eventually they disappear because

he remembers

uh tony reminds him what uh dick

halloran said which is that they're just

like pictures in a book

that that it's not real and it can't

hurt you yeah the the forces of the

house have yet to be unleashed

right uh we cut to monday we're watching

tv

danny asks if he can get his fire truck

out of the room and wendy warns him that

daddy is sleeping

that he just went to bed so apparently

he's been up all night trying to write

and uh he will hurt you if you go into

the room to get your truck and wake him

up

eventually she gives in and danny

tiptoes into the room

but jack is already awake he's sitting

on the edge of his bed just kind of

staring off

into nothingness jack says come over

here and gives him a hug

asks if he's doing okay we get kind of

an elmer bernstein sounding score here

it's very like ethereal and disorienting

and and jack it's weird because jack

nicholson jack torrance but yeah and

danny and danny

yeah uh he he repeats the lines

i want to stay here forever and ever and

ever the

the same lines that the little girls

repeated yeah

are their names jack and danny in the

book yes

so it's just a weird coincidence yeah or

it's not a coincidence and they

literally hired this kid because his

name was

danny it just makes it easier yeah just

like he'll respond to danny if i say it

on set

um and then we'll tell people that we

needed to get an exact accent when in

actuality i just wanted someone

whose name was danny that's all we were

going for

danny asks jack if he would ever hurt

him or mommy

and obviously jack thinks that this

means wendy's been saying something like

your father is very angry and he could

hurt you and

things like that but in reality what's

probably happening is that he

was listening to his father's thoughts

there

and heard him think some terrible stuff

about them and then asked if that stuff

would ever come true

um but he obviously jack is very upset

by this because he thinks wendy's like

planting these terrible thoughts in in

danny's mind

we cut to wednesday where danny plays

with some toy cars

on the infamous overlook carpeting a

pattern that is

repeated all over the place people like

it

uh danny calls to wendy and

notices that the door to 237 is now open

we fade to wendy checking the boilers

and she hears a faint shouting sound

eventually she finds jack passed out at

the typewriter and he's

screaming incoherently in his sleep

and as she wakes him up he collapses to

the floor off of his chair

and he's like very disoriented and

clearly just came out of a very deep

sleep dream

and he admits that he just had this

insane nightmare where he killed wendy

and danny

which i think is when you said like this

is when you put the kid in the car and

you leave

like right here right this section

you're out of there you don't wait for

anything else

yeah he says he chopped them up and uh

danny very slowly enters the room and

we're only seeing this from behind

danny and wendy says oh why don't you go

to your room i'm just talking with daddy

here

yeah her reading of this is like perfect

mom is like she's all

danny everything is okay yeah

and but he's very slowly moving forward

and he's got one hand

up so you think he's either holding

something or you don't know what what

exactly is happening but there's

something going on that she's not

noticing from across the room

and uh when he ignores her

telling him to go upstairs and he keeps

walking closer and closer to them

that's when she notices that his shirt

is all

torn and that his neck is bruised really

badly

and she immediately assumes that this

wasn't just a dream that jack had that

he actually did something whether in his

sleep or

awake that hurt danny

and she starts screaming at jack and

he's just completely confused and walks

away from them

instead of denying it or anything like

that right here

right he literally just leaves and at

this point if you weren't convinced by

the crazy dream in that snow cat and get

the hell out of there your kid's already

hurt

your kid is hurt you you he did it like

you don't wait you don't think about it

you get in that thing and you

go yeah um jack wanders into the

gold rum still half dazed he looks up

and starts talking to a bartender

who we don't see until we eventually get

the reverse angle

he somehow knows the bartender's name is

lloyd despite the fact that he's not

wearing a name tag

or anything but he orders a bottle of

bourbon a

glass with some ice and he says here's

to five miserable months on the wagon

and all the irreparable harm it's caused

me jack denies hurting danny

and he vents about wendy to lloyd and

then lloyd responds with

women can't live with them can't live

without them

which is i think supposed to plant in

our heads the

the obvious turn on that phrase that has

become more popular i think than that

phrase which is the

women can't live with him can't kill him

which i think was

is originally a stand-up comedian told

the joke that way but

that's become like the more the more

spoken version of that joke

wendy starts running around with a bat

screaming for jack and you're like what

is happening

like is she coming to attack him now

that this happened

and uh she moves into the gold rum and

she gets right next to him

and she tells jack that there's a crazy

woman in 237 and that she attacked danny

this is where the first time watching

the movie and even re-watching it now

the first time i get goosebumps

yeah is when just her performance

100 sells what's going on here and the

implication that there's another person

here that we didn't know about that hurt

our son

is terrifying and stephen king has said

multiple times he doesn't understand

what anyone thinks is scary about this

movie because he thinks it's corny and

silly compared to what he wrote

this is so much better than anything

that happens in the shining well because

it's such a big place

and there's only three of them there's

it's very easily someone could be

lurking and hiding you'd never know yeah

and you're never gonna find the person

either

but it's just so terrifying and her

delivery

the the panic in her voice and the way

it's shaking and

and her eyes and she's just she she is

legitimately terrified and

you have to remember between takes here

she's getting chewed out endlessly by

kubrick for

doing things wrong and and not being a

good actress and

and so she's panicking that she's going

to get fired from this movie

the whole time when you know it's just

informing her performance and i think

even in some of the talking head

interviews on the the making the shining

documentary that

vivian kubrick did she she talks about i

knew it i i realized now that he was

getting the performance out of me and i

respect him for it

but um what it was part of his process

and it helped

it helped the performance i don't know

if she actually feels that way because

she's being interviewed by his daughter

yeah but even if she doesn't feel that

way

it still was a traumatic experience

doesn't it erase what

still abuse yeah but what i like about

this scene is that

jack gives gives her the benefit of the

doubt

well not at first the first thing he

says is are you out of your [ __ ] mind

yeah yeah but then he goes well in what

room was it yeah

i mean he he's like he's willing to

check it out yeah

we uh we cut to dick halloran's

apartment

where uh he's watching television we see

his feet propped up on a pillow at the

edge of his bed

that's what you were looking at well

that's not what we see at first

first we see the legs and then we we

paint up to reveal that there's a

picture of a naked woman hanging on the

wall above his television and then

we get the reverse angle of him on the

bed and we pan up and see another naked

woman above his bed

the point of this scene was that kubrick

didn't want this to be like

oh some old preacher character like some

like priest who has like this magical

connection because he's just a morally

good character it's like

no i wanted to show that he's an

everyman and he has

porn hanging in his house because he's

just an average person right and he

doesn't think he's better than anyone

clearly lives alone and he travels back

and forth by the season to this hotel

and then back to

miami right yeah he lives in miami and

uh he's watching this

uh this report on television while he's

watching tv he gets a shining

message from danny and it's saying you

need to come back here and help me right

now

and he's reacting to it like he's

receiving a message in his head

and we cut to danny kind of foaming at

the mouth

sending this long range message from the

hotel we get

a point of view shot of jack exploring

room 237 because the door was still open

he

moves through the room which is like it

has this weird purple and green carpet

compared to the rest of the hotel it's a

different color

it seems like themed differently he

moves into this like mint green

bathroom area where there's a naked

woman

in a bathtub behind a curtain and she

pulls the curtain out of the way

and she stands up steps out of the tub

and he gets this devilish grin on his

face

and the two of them start kissing but

then while he's pulling her tighter

he notices that she looks different than

she did before

they actually made contact with each

other and then he notices in a mirror

that

she's like decomposing and that she's

actually like

an elderly woman who's like falling

apart and we're getting this intercut

with shots of her

like corpse floating in the bathtub yeah

and he starts freaking out

and backing away from her dick hollering

tries to call from his home

to the hotel but the phones are still

out obviously so he's not able to get a

hold of anyone

jack goes back to where wendy was and

says there's nothing in the room

there i don't know what was going on

there's nothing in there which

i'm not sure why he says this unless

there's like

two parts of him already here that one

of them knows what's going on and the

other one doesn't

like if he literally doesn't remember

what happened in there or he just wants

to hide from her that there are

weird things afoot wow or maybe he wants

to hide that he was making out with some

other lady yeah but this was a very

supernatural situation i feel like

i would be like oh yeah there's a ghost

in here so he's embarrassed that he made

out with the old lady that was falling

apart

you get it you get one pass and if it's

a ghost lady yeah

or if it's like it's it's basically it's

another gong show movie reference

it's like i never slept with her like

this old 85 year old pregnant woman

she's she's trying to figure out if

there wasn't anyone in the room

how to account for what happened to

danny and jax

suggests that maybe danny did this to

himself right so that's not where i go

like if if the woman's not in the room i

just assume she's not in that room

somewhere else

now was the door open like i don't

assume that this kid managed to strangle

himself he's clea she's clearly hiding

somewhere else in the

hotel waiting to attack us yeah but she

says

that's not possible and uh we cut to

danny in bed

uh laying on his side but with his eyes

completely wide

open and he's basically like

eavesdropping on their conversation via

the shining

uh without actually being in the room

with them well i don't even think he

needs to because they're probably

it sounds like they're kind of yelling

yeah i don't know if if he is within

earshot of them or not it looked like

the implication was that he's using his

powers to hear what they're saying

but maybe maybe you're right maybe

they're just in the other room and he's

just pretending to sleep

let's listening to mommy and daddy fight

as a time-honored tradition yes

um we get the elevator bloodshot again

and then jack starts shouting at wendy

for [ __ ] up his life

he storms angrily back to the gold rum

when he starts to hear this like

old-fashioned music playing like from

the 20s like maybe 21 even specifically

he sees balloons and party favors all

strewn about in the hallway

as he gets closer dick halloran reaches

the local forest service

and asks them if they could please check

on the hotel because he thinks that

they might be having a problem we come

back to jack entering the

now crowded gold room bar and uh

he tries to pay for a second drink but

lloyd won't take his money it's no good

here he didn't bring money the first

time

and he came prepared this time but lloyd

is like your money's no good here

and he says he i'm a man who likes to

know who's buying his drink

and then he says well you know we'll

we'll let you know when it's important

who's buying your drink

yeah it doesn't concern you right at

least not at this point yeah

and then he steps away from the bar for

a second and does this like loopy dance

for a minute and then he crashes into

delbert grady who is avoiding another

patron

and then spills a tray of i think he

says apricot drinks

no it's it's advocate it's a it's a

drink with egg in it it's like oh okay

it's like a fancy european thing

whatever it is it stains

and so they have to move into the

bathroom which is just behind the bar

here

to clean up uh jack's clothes it's not

like he's wearing anything super fancy

compared to everyone else in here but

they want to take care of it right away

and uh while they're in there delbert

introduces himself as delbert grady

which jack recognizes is the name of the

caretaker who murdered his family

he tells grady this that you were the

caretaker here weren't you

and he says oh no you're the caretaker

here you've always been the caretaker

here

and the two of them kind of back and

forth

jack insisting and grady denying that

he's that he killed his family here

as the caretaker so i'm trying to figure

out at this point

when he says something like you've

always been the caretaker is

is the concept of the person who is the

caretaker

is sort of being transitioned from

person to person

as they come in and so it was gradient

when he came there and he got

sort of taken over by this spirit that

is the caretaker and now

it has transitioned into jack and so now

he is the caretaker but

he is the spirit that's always been the

caretaker

i don't know or is this just his version

of this delusion

like does everyone experience a

different delusion of

the the the role of caretaker uh

but also i was gonna bring this up at

the end but i'm sure we'll bring it up

now

i mean there's been a 10-year gap of

nothing happening right so presumably

there have been caretakers in between

correct we see one at the beginning when

he's going in to do his

interview there's another guy bill there

who was the previous caretaker

who is leaving he's not staying at the

hotel anymore

so i kind of assumed bill was actually a

caretaker during the year but you're

saying he was the previous years

right i'm just saying there are other

caretakers but

but also you know they do this every

winter so there's been at least

one person there right every winter but

since the

grady killings and now the torrance

family

somebody's managed to survive the winter

yeah right

but they might not have had families

with them so maybe i mean there might be

a difference in that

that's possible i feel like if every

family man who shows up for the job

murders his entire family i would stop

hiring family men

that's a weird trend you ever notice how

all the guys with kids

end up turning their kids into firewood

isn't that weird

maybe we should stop hiring guys with

kids that's discrimination you're not

even allowed to ask in the interview

that's true yeah maybe if they had more

kids it would be better

you can't kill all those kids nobody has

enough kids that you can't kill them in

one answer

i'm just gonna put that on the table

right now grady warns jack that his son

has put out a call to someone outside

the hotel

an n-word cook and

he tells jack about danny's powers which

jack seems not to know anything about

yeah i mean they know about tony a

little bit but they don't know

that he has any abilities beyond an

imaginary friend i guess

so he's done a good job of hiding it

apparently

and delbert grady suggests that perhaps

they need a good

talking to if you don't mind my saying

so perhaps

more like hey kill your family

kill your family friend homer me and the

other ghosts are really upset that you

haven't killed your family

yeah uh wendy plans an escape

out loud walking back and forth in her

room i thought that was uh

risky of her she's just going back and

forth like i'll just take the kid i'll

take the kid and we'll get on the snow

cat and we'll go down to the bottom of

the mountain and someone will get to us

and it's like

what if jack is standing like right

around the corner like you're just gonna

get murdered right here

the house is listening um but still i

think that is

showing that she's just you know she's

hitting a breaking point right she's

just kind of going crazy he's not the

only one with the cabin fever situation

this is actually just shelley duvall

running her lines yeah

filmer i've gotten i've broken her and

now

she's actually crazy now we

hear red rum for the first time here

danny is shouting it in this really

creepy

intonation red from red rhyme red rum

like it's getting higher pitching faster

and faster

and uh wendy goes in to wake him up and

she can't wake him up

eventually she gets into a conversation

with tony because she can't reach danny

and tony tells her

and he's not here mrs torrance

we hear the forest service reaching out

over the radio

into allman's office k2k1 calling k2k12

but jack intercepts the message and

destroys the radio because he thinks

that they're plotting

behind his back dick hollering calls the

forest service again

and they say we couldn't reach the hotel

now we get a title that says 8 a.m so

we're getting

more specific with the time this seems

like this is going to be an eventful day

if we have to separate it into the

the hours of the day now we see a

continental flight as

dick holleran is now flying from miami

to colorado to get to the hotel as fast

as he can

jack is typing away and uh when dick

holleran lands at the airport he calls

a local shop to rent a snow cat so that

he can get up the mountain because all

the roads are out

uh his friend larry durkin at the

snowcat place uh tells him i'll get it

set up i'll have it ready for you when

you get here

we see dick driving through really

crappy snow

and we see a very nasty accident

of it looks like an 18-wheeler basically

rolled over a car

yeah i don't know like did they set this

up too for the movie or was there just

legitimately an accident

one thing from room 237 that i think

might not be totally inaccurate

other than the moon landing other than

the moon landing thing which obviously

we didn't land on the moon

is that in the book the volkswagen bug

is red

but in the movie it's yellow but in this

accident here

it's a red volkswagen bug that's crushed

by the truck yeah so

the suspicion of the person in room 237

was that this is kubrick saying

[ __ ] your movie i dropped a truck on it

like who cares what you wanted to happen

here yeah what if bumblebee

is like the car from the shiny oh my

gosh

crossover there's no there's no other

cars in this movie it doesn't really

work

beyond bumblebee the snow cat the snow

cat transformers

into an actual cat

wendy asks danny to sit still while she

chats with jack

and she takes the the bat and she goes

to the writing room

where jack has told her repeatedly not

to come in here whether or not he's

writing

because he's not writing he's thinking

about what he's going to write and

he's not in here but she finds the

typewriter and she goes to read some of

his work

and it's the same sentence over and over

and over again all work and no play

makes jack a dull boy with

various typos because he's an actual

typewriter and

yeah and what are you gonna do sometimes

dull boy is one word yeah

and i was like is that is double one

word it can be like

one of them said dull bot dolbot

oh my god that ties into our

transformers

but yeah there's pages and pages of this

i think there was something like 500

pages typed originally for the film

jack enters the room and asks how she

likes it

he follows her across the room very

menacingly even though he's not armed

he's just uh

he has a very menacing uh force to him

we get this weird like underwater

sounding filter of his voice

saying like maybe it was about danny

maybe it was about him

danny sees the elevators

flushing the the hallway with blood

again this time

we're seeing the shot for longer and

it's washing all the furniture down the

hall

jack reminds wendy of his responsibility

to the hotel owners

they can't just leave and leave the

hotel here because he has a job to do

but there are two adults and one child

so she can leave

yeah uh without uh breaking any of his

responsibilities

they start moving up the steps yeah i i

really like this line

one of them is a a clip from the

beginning of our

our episodes wendy darling

well so wendy says that she just wants

to go back to her room and he says why

and she goes

[Laughter]

because she's like i don't know how to

say this without making you angrier yeah

yeah

it's like she's trying to be nonchalant

i think i just need to take a rest yeah

she's like also making it her

problem like i'm just confused like i

need to go figure things out you're fine

this is great what you're doing

i love this energy i'm gonna go back to

the room he says

wendy darling light

of my life i'm not gonna hurt you you

didn't let me finish my sentence

i said i'm not gonna hurt you i'm just

gonna bash your brains

i'm gonna bash him right the [ __ ] in

she keeps swinging this bat i think

someone counted it she swings it like 41

times at him

which obviously is a reference to the 41

but can you imagine how exhausting this

must have been to film

because she swings it 41 times in this

cut how many

hundreds of other times did she swing

it's funny because uh

this is one of those scenes where people

say oh there was 180 takes of this shot

but the people that actually worked on

it said there was only like 30 but still

30 times 41 swings like that's a lot

they're going up and down these stairs

30 times

swinging this bat around and i'm sure

she's legitimately going crazy by the

end of it

yeah but uh he's trying to grab the bat

out of her hand as she's swinging it

and eventually she gets him in the back

of his hand

one of the times that he reaches for it

and then she gets him in the head

and he collapses and falls down the

stairs um which is a pretty cool shot

i was gonna say he looks like he

actually just falls down these stairs

yeah i mean i have to assume this was a

stunt guy i don't know

maybe it might have just been jack do it

again yeah

another take yeah that would that would

be pretty rough if you did this 30 times

um but uh we cut to her

dragging him by the feet through the

kitchen locking him in the pantry

and uh when she closes the door and

locks it behind her

um we have him in the pantry going like

pretending to be dizzier than he is

and trying to make her worried that he's

gonna die from

the the impact and uh

and he's like oh i think you hit me real

bad

oh i'm not feeling so good and this shot

was done from

like underneath him like looking up

yeah they show it in the documentary and

it's just so impressive like he's

he's scouting out the shot like kubrick

is laying on the ground looking

up and he's like yeah we can do it from

down here i'm thinking i don't even know

how you get a film camera underneath him

in that space and film that shot it's

just you do the uh

orson wells

well that's not what they do though

there's a guy there and he just has a

really small but somehow still 35

millimeter camera

and he's laying completely packed down

on the floor against the

the wall and he's also he has foil on

his chest

because there's a light that's the only

light source for the scene in the middle

of his chest to light jack's face

and he also has um a gel that he's

holding with his other hand

over the light so he's holding a gel and

the 35 millimeter camera and getting

this shot of jack

and jack is like pretending to

talk to her while he's looking down like

formulating his

his lie into the camera with this creepy

smile

and uh obviously she doesn't open the

door for him

and she says i'm i i'm gonna go get help

i'm gonna get

danny and we're gonna go down and we're

gonna find a doctor and i'm gonna bring

a doctor back to take care of you

but we're gonna leave in the snow cat he

says you got a big surprise coming to

you

why don't you go check on that snow cat

and the radio

and the radio and she verifies

his declaration that both have been

destroyed 4 p.m

uh jack wakes up in the pantry um

halfway through a box of oreos and

a bunch of other stuff he clearly ate a

bunch of food until it seems like he's

been there for a while

but i just love that he just gave up and

just started like well all right

i'm hungry what do we got but he wakes

up to a knocking at the pantry door

and uh grady uh is outside we hear his

voice through the door wondering

aloud why his family isn't a pile of

limbs yet

jack says no need to rub it in mr grady

he promises to fulfill his duties and

grady lets him out of the pantry which

is

so far the most supernatural thing we've

seen happen i was gonna say this is the

this is the only thing i feel like in

the entire movie that can't be explained

by him hallucinating it yeah

well i guess danny's markings

well i mean he still could have done it

he could have done that could have done

that to himself or he could have done it

to danny that's true

yeah but the popular theory here is that

danny let him out

or tony did because

of all the i don't know why why i don't

know he's

back and forth in a trance and he has

unexplainable actions later in the film

so it's also possible that he knows

what's going to happen

yeah right so he uh so he doctor strange

is this one and it's like the only way

we're going to make this

that's why he holds up one finger one

that was him poking out the pin that was

holding the door closed yeah

and he's like one mr torrence

he pulled his finger no i think the

implication is that the

the ghost yeah yeah for sure

and then in the sims this episode it's

like moe is

being lloyd and he's letting him out but

then also there's like the wolf man

dracula the mummy like all these

different ghouls are just

dragging him out of the pantry because

homer had resigned himself

just to eat eat in the pantry which

seemed like what he was going what's

what

uh jack was gonna do anyway so i just

love that in the simpsons like

this is the most homer thing to do yeah

dick halloran shows up in the rented

snow cat

danny starts chanting red rum at wendy's

bedside while she's asleep

he grabs a knife off of her bed stand

and he like checks it to see how sharp

it is

he's like running his fingers over the

blade of it but then he picks up her

lipstick and he starts writing red rum

as he's chanting it

on the door next to her bed and he

slowly transitions from tony

to danny yes it's tony going

red rob red round red rum then he starts

going to danny

like higher pitch yeah and uh she wakes

up while this is happening and takes the

knife away from him immediately

and then suddenly we see uh in the

mirror

that redrum spells murder on the door

and lipstick

and suddenly jack is swinging an axe

into the door to their room which wendy

has locked

even though he was in the pantry and

locked away she also locked this bedroom

door because she's not an idiot

i would have i would have hidden in

another room no no this one this is the

room

this is the room for me also i feel like

i wouldn't be going to bed i would be

scouring that shed for a new distributor

cap or

something to get this thing going again

i would not have

given up on the snow cat it's easy to

get down the hill

but she uh yeah so we see jack swinging

an axe into the door with this really

cool shot and they repeat the action of

it later but

like the camera is like following the

motion of the accident it slams to a

stop every time the axe hits the door

it's like it's motion stabilized on the

yeah it looks like

a pan and scan effect but it's very cool

the way it works out

and uh he he gets through the first door

but wendy has taken danny into the

bathroom

and she opens the bathroom window to

outside the hotel

um luckily the snow is piled up to

exactly that windows level

so she's able to push dany out this

window and he could just slide down the

snow hill and she's telling him to just

run

get away wherever you can and uh she

tries to get out but she can't fit

completely out this window

so she has the knife that that she took

from danny still

and jack gets to the bathroom door

and he starts chopping through that when

he when he gets through the first door

he says something like

honey i'm home or something like that

yeah and then he does the three little

pigs

yeah and uh once he punches a hole in

the

in the bathroom doors when he sticks his

face in that crack and he says

here's johnny she's freaking out

she the performance we're getting from

her in this room as he's chopping

through the bathroom door

is like some of her best work in the

whole movie

and i've heard people complain that it's

like oh it's so over the top and it's

like no no this woman is like

has been chased around by this insane

person all day who now has an axe

right who's inches away from her yeah

and uh i i

believe 100 her performance here and i

feel like it's just

insane that anyone would even joke about

nominating this for a razzy

like that blows my mind that that

happened

but uh he he gets that hole in the door

and then he reaches through it to unlock

the bathroom door and she slices his

hand with a knife

and he pulls his hand back through

without unlocking the door

but then while he's looking at his own

hand and the blood dripping off of it

he hears a snow cat outside so either

danny

fix that one or there's another snow cat

here that's interesting and so he leaves

to investigate that

danny has run even though he was outside

he ran

back into the hotel is that where you

would have run i don't think i would

have ran back inside

i don't know that there's a lot of

places that would be safe to go and

warm yeah because he would freeze to

death if he stayed outside for

an extended period of time so i think he

was just like i'm going to go back to

the hotel but hide somewhere where he

doesn't know i

am and can't possibly find me even

though there's clearly some supernatural

[ __ ] going on so

maybe he can find me anyway but uh he

pulls like a

jurassic park and he goes to hide in

this metallic

cabinet and uh wendy is crying alone in

the bathroom but she realized that

jack isn't there anymore that he's not

trying to get into the bathroom

and uh jack is limping back through the

lobby of the hotel towards

dekalaran's voice because he's saying

hey is anybody here what's going on

after all this after the after the

flight and renting the snow cat

driving through all this terrible

traffic and accidents and everything

he's he's about 30 steps into the lobby

when suddenly jack comes out from behind

a column and just buries the

axe full full bore into his heart it

reminded me of the

macgyver uh the the dr

zito episode yeah when the guy comes up

the cop comes up the stairs and the

guy's just waiting at the top of the

stairs with the axe

yeah but this is also crazy because in

the book the caleron survives the whole

thing

so that was a this is another moment for

stephen king watching the movie to be

like what the [ __ ]

like the guy flew the whole way across

the country to save the kid and then you

just axe him in the chest immediately

god damn it

also parodied on the simpsons uh with

willie yeah

uh keeps getting axed in every episode

yeah

danny screams because he's obviously

psychically connected

to scat man and so when he gets the axe

in the heart

he feels the pain of that person dying

and uh screams in his little cabinet

which basically gives away his location

and jack turns to follow him wendy

looking for danny

finds the this is the most

unexplainable shot in the movie a guy in

like an

assless furry costume going down on a

fancy gentleman

yeah um i don't know is that the

bartender

i don't think so i thought it was i

think it's just a different a different

person from the party scene but i don't

know why this guy's in a bear costume

i mean because they're up in the

mountains yeah it's just like what else

are you gonna do

but uh yeah i guess maybe i would be

doing the same thing in 1921.

it's like what are we gonna do there's

no video games yet why don't i put on

that bear costume and blow you well see

and

[Music]

well i'm also wondering thank god they

invented video games by the way

i i almost wonder if this is the the

hotel

attempting to get her like attempting to

show her these hallucinations the way

that it showed what do you mean get her

to get her on

the house the hotel side like because

well because because because the hotel

didn't always only show jack

pleasant things it showed him horrible

things too that's true

um and now all of a sudden it starts

bombarding her with these like

creepy images of everything but it's all

party goers from that 1920s party for

some reason

and a room full of skeletons yeah that

was weird

that i feel like everything else was

fine

no i i still stand by my comment that

the bear costume makes the least

sense but she moves into the lobby and

suddenly it's like

all lit and blue and there's

skeletons and cobwebs everywhere and

they disappear like in the next shot

aesthetically this shot stands out in

the film i'll give you that

it looks like a goosebumps episode yes

um in the middle of a very serious movie

but yeah uh

danny runs into the maze with jack

limping after him

uh wendy finds dick holleran's body and

another ghost with a

bloody forehead holding a drink saying

something about like isn't this a great

party or something like that

in the in the maze we have jack

basically follow danny around corners

repeatedly

until danny gets to a place where he

decides he's going to start walking

backwards through his own footsteps to

mask

the direction he went and then he crawls

back under one of the hedges to hide

himself

now we get wendy seeing the actual

elevator blood

and danny manages to get out of the maze

but jack does not

and wendy and danny take the snow cat

away from the hotel the one that

scat man brought them and i guess he

must have left the keys in there that's

lucky

i i would have loved the parody of is

that they they open up the hood of the

the functioning

uh to get this jupiter cap to go to

repair to the other one yeah

yeah so they they leave the hotel in the

snow cat and in the morning

we see that jack has frozen to death in

the in the

maze angrily frozen to death yeah like

like he would he stayed angry all the

way through freezing yeah he just sat

down and stared straight ahead like god

damn it this was a stupid idea

and uh he froze like that i like at the

end of the simpsons they're all frozen

like that

around the television and the tony

awards come on and they can't change the

channel

[Music]

we slow push into a picture on the wall

of the hotel

with a celebration from 1921 and it's

the party that

jack was visiting only he is actually in

this picture in the center of frame

so i think the question would be is this

a real picture

or was he added to the picture like are

if he's all the people that the hotel

has

claimed yeah was that originally an

empty bowl

he's always been the caretaker so yeah i

don't know did

was it was it i mean i think that it

would be clearer to me

if him and delbert were both in this

picture that would just be like

oh okay these are like it's like a

reincarnation type thing and these

people are being brought back to the

hotel by some greater power

because they actually did live there and

worked there in the past

but the fact that it's just jack makes

me think

well maybe it is just whoever most

recently was

taken over by the hotel is replaced in

this picture

so it's not clear but it shouldn't be

clear

because it's gonna be people gotta talk

about it i wanna talk about some

connections between this film and

empire strikes back go the movie's over

by the way

that's the that's the last shot of the

film is the uh is the 1921 party picture

and you said there were no credits in

the original because we had credits

streaming

up at the beginning yeah but this just

ends on that

yeah and then we get these digitally

added credits now okay so okay because

that that

the version i saw had that as well yeah

um

but uh so here are some things that this

movie has in common with

uh empire strikes back i already

mentioned that the the snow

uh was used on the hoth set and was used

in this movie

i suspect maybe prematurely that

both of these films are in our top two

or three for the year letterboxed wise

danny hurt himself and wendy says

that's not possible which reminded me of

point mark hamilton

that's impossible while also escaping

from fathers

yes uh they both feature a father trying

to kill his twin children

only one succeeds um they both

feature characters communicating

telepathically with each other

and they both feature characters later

played by ewan mcgregor

so those are those are the similarities

that i know very nice

let's go through the cast of crew and

then we'll talk about our

our thoughts on the film but director

obviously stanley kubrick

2001 a space odyssey clockwork orange

doctor strangelove

or how i learned to stop worrying and

love the bomb lolita

spartacus good stuff all around

um eyes wide shut yeah i owe it a

re-watch but

it's probably still not great

i'm not even going to count ai writer

was diane johnson

that was the co-writer with stanley this

was her only screenwriting credit but

she also has

a novel that was adapted into the 2003

featured divorce

which i have not seen but those are only

two credits on imdb

uh the novel was written by stephen king

this is only the second feature

adaptation of his work

after carrie but we'll hit a lot of

these

as we move forward obviously the 80s and

90s saw a lot of adaptations of king's

work yeah

as tv movies and is theatrically

released feature films the music we said

before was wendy carlos and rachel

alkind

they composed music for clockwork orange

earlier

they composed the tron theme yeah in the

first tron movie

they have a credit obviously in features

like ready player one which sample from

the shining

and wendy carlos specifically composed

the peter and the wolf album with weird

al yankovic that i enjoyed very much as

a kid

uh dp here was john alcott who was

amazing he did clockwork orange and

barry linden which is probably like one

of the most amazingly shot movies right

all natural light

if not super interesting but he will be

back later this year

lensing terror train

okay interesting interesting double

feature uh jack nicholson was jack

torrance here you know him from

this probably uh easy rider chinatown

cuckoo's nest batman

um that's jack nicholson you know jack

nicholson shelly duvall was wendy

torrence

she'll be olive oil and popeye later

this year yeah it's a hell of a year for

her

with wendy torrens and olive oil yeah

one one more celebrated than the other i

love both of them

maybe equally i she was the only person

who could ever play olive oil

she was born to play that character for

sure um

she was in altman's three women with

[ __ ] spacek and janice rule is another

favorite of mine

i like her in uh roxanne she's got a

very small part but uh

she's the steve martin's like good

friend in that movie yeah i like her

as the mom in frankenweenie also which

is a short i guess

uh she's also dame pansy and time

bandits

yeah and uh she was the creator of

children's series shelley duvall's

bedtime stories

i loved those you have it on dvd right

i don't think i do but i i remember i

did at one point

i i don't know i think i remember

watching them as a kid

i think i watched at least one with you

and i thought it was from a dvd

oh no you know what i'm thinking of the

storyteller oh yeah i definitely had dvd

of storytellers but i didn't have i'm

confusing the two yeah

i mean there's some there's similar

types of shows uh but i definitely watch

these as a kid because i vividly

remember

many episodes of this show and it was

great yeah

at least to my very young self it was

great

i don't know i haven't seen it haven't

given it a re-watch lately uh

danny lloyd played danny here he does

not have a lot of credits but he also

had a cameo in the sequel to dr sleep

or not the sequel to dr sleep the sequel

he plays the guy at the baseball game

who is like oh yeah you should see this

kid he really knows what he's doing

um i was really surprised to see jacob

trembley take that small role

yeah and he's he's actually it's maybe

the best i've seen

it's i i told my mom don't watch this

movie yeah this one scene

yeah you will not be able to stomach it

yeah it's it goes on for a long time and

it's very upsetting

yeah and and i think that's uh one of

the things that i did appreciate about

dr sleep

is that it feels very much like a

stephen king book which are like

unapologetically brutal at those scenes

and uh

you know if you don't want to see like

kids or animals murdered then just don't

go to see

stephen king movie faithful adaptation

of a stephen king movie

scat man cruthers was hallerin here um

he was turkle in cuckoo's nest

um he's mr bloom in kick the can which

is spielberg's twilight zone segment

he's hong kong phooey yep i got that on

here don't worry

he's the voice of hong kong he's also

the voice of jazz

yeah from transformers oh my gosh

um maybe that's how it happened he did

bring the transformer here

oh my god he was dexter jones and zapped

oh man we're gonna get to zap soon right

82.

okay uh and he will be back for bronco

billy later this year so we get more

skatman right away i'm very excited

about that

uh again today would be his 110th

birthday

uh barry nelson was almond you know him

as jimmy bond

from that climax episode yeah he was the

very first

person to portray james bond about

11 years before connery yeah yeah

somewhere in there it's like

54 to 62 so eight years before

but yeah so he was uh the first james

bond he was an american named

jimmy bond and it was adapted for a

television series called climax but it

was casino royale it was casino

that's which is the first james bond

story um the first one that was written

i didn't recognize many of his other

credits so i'm just gonna go with that

but uh it's worth checking out uh for

trivia purposes

i wouldn't say it's phenomenal peter

lori's fun

as the chief but uh yeah

phillip stone was grady he plays uh

alexander delarge's father in clockwork

orange

he's captain blumbert in the temple of

doom

he'll be zoggy the high priest later

this year in flash gordon

and apparently he's also in thunderball

he plays one of the

spectre agents specter number five in

thunderball so just

one of those scenes with a bunch of

henchmen sitting around a table yeah i

think i think that's like the

the the famous one where he's got the

chair that sends the guy down into the

flaming paper

right that uh dr evil famously parodied

joe turkle was lloyd

uh he played dr eldon tyrell in uh blade

runner right

probably his most like like noticeable

other than this

yeah playing the bartender is like yeah

tyrell um and he also worked

with kubrick previously as tiny and the

killing and private pierre

arnaud in paths of glory ann jackson

played the doctor the pediatrician

she was in folks with one f

in 1992 not related

tony burton was durkin larry durkin

uh he plays wells you in assault on

precinct 13.

um and john carpenter assault uh yes

okay

and uh he's also apollo's trainer in

rockies one through six

but i don't think he's in the creed

movies but he's in all the

ones that have rocky in the title david

baxt

played forest ranger one that's the

first guy that she gets a hold of

um he plays batman's dad in the 1989

batman movie

nice ah the one that joker kills spoiler

alert

batman's dad dies what

he must be devastated uh manning redwood

which is an awesome name manning redwood

plays forest ranger number two and he

apt yeah exactly uh he plays bob

conley in view to a kill he's uh

i think it was general miller and never

say never again i just have general

miller here but i'm pretty sure

he was in two james bond movies uh with

with

one with roger moore and one with sean

connery and uh

he was also officer lowell and outland

which i haven't seen

another sean connery yeah it's a jumping

on the the sci-fi craze

i was going to say is it looks saturn 3e

it's very saturn 3e

it's it's sean connery is a

uncorruptable cop who's been put onto

this mining colony where there's a huge

drug problem and is he holding a shotgun

on the poster

yeah okay peter boyle is like the head

of this drug ring and the previous

peter boyle is the head of a drug ring

yeah

look he did the same thing and where the

buffalo room when it's in your top three

okay that's that's a different kind of

head over

okay fine but you win

but but connery doesn't want to play

ball uh because he's not corruptable and

so they plan to kill him

yeah well that sounds worth checking out

at the very least

or not i'm getting an early thumbs down

on that one i

i have a problem with it and it's

it's like it really says a lot about me

as a person and i'm not proud of it

the problem is that he's not wearing as

few clothes as he does

no he he has a telephone call with his

son

and his son is really fat and kind of

gross

and it's less like i love your son this

is like

that's enough for you to be like never

watch this movie anyone

like this is his son this is this like

guy's son

have you seen sean connery luckily

richard does not have children yeah

oh boy my kids are fat i'm never gonna

call them

or tell them i love them

a weird film choice well unfortunately

for me and now i have to see it so

thanks a lot

the shining is great though oh i wanted

to mention one more cast member

sure because i want to see barry dennan

barry dannon uh i will do one of his

imitate one of his most famous

characters

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oh is he uh a whale in something was he

uh a luck dragon

[Laughter]

no really i'm not my voice is all messed

up so i'm probably not doing right he's

chamberlain

who's chamberlain the dark crystal oh

okay i got you i got you i don't know

that character

is one of the sketchy's i assume that my

[ __ ]

he's the most famous skekies he's the

one who's horrible because he thinks

he's trying to help

and he's just the worst at it i wasn't

too far off with the luck dragon i think

no that's i think that's i was at least

in the realm of puppets

yeah i guess i guess i i might just

no no dark crystal fans here i don't

like the dark crystal actually

i've heard that the netflix show is very

well received

i could go without seeing another

episode of it

but uh jack seems to like it yeah um but

yeah i've never been a dark crystal fan

i think it was because

when uh when it first got put on for me

someone was like oh this is exactly like

the labyrinth no

i was like i love the labyrinth let's

watch it and i was like this is not like

the labyrinth

like other than there's puppets in it

when i was a kid and i saw this movie

it was like it it wasn't scary because

it was a scary movie it was scary

because they are legitimately

terrifying creature design oh yeah

absolutely

although it was cool to see them in

person at that the muppet show they did

at the oh yeah that exhibit was

awesome what was the what's that place

called

uh the skirball museum there you go yeah

yeah yeah did we have any other comments

we wanted to make on the shining

specifically

i feel like we talked a lot about it

that's what i'm going through i love it

like i love it let's just do our ups and

downs on our boxes

all right uh up or down

jessica i'll give it an up i'll give it

a solid up

okay it's a it's a it's also a solid

up from me yes up there that's three ups

good job kubrick i know you've just been

waiting for our approval

posthumously you've got it all right

jess where's this going letterbox wise

number one

richard versus cohen oh boy number two

i mean i i know i think i have to give

it number one i love really okay

i really love empire strikes back but

this movie is just so

amazing i've seen it in the theaters

several times

uh and i i never stop

liking it uh it's just really great

everything about this movie is amazing

it is so

beautifully and competently shot and

designed

and active acting is incredible like

there

i there isn't a flaw to this movie it is

a perfectly crafted movie

yeah i think i think honestly you you

get a lot more control

over the performances when you limit

most of the story to three characters

when when it's like literally just three

people in

a huge empty building but limited

locations limited characters

yeah it's just he has

painstakingly crafted every element in

this movie to perfection

but uh yeah for me it's also it has to

be number one

i think uh kubrick is

still in my mind probably unparalleled

like the greatest working directors

right now

just like desperately want someone to

compare them to kubrick

you know like chris nolan is just

obsessed with being the new kubrick

yeah and he's not he's not the new

kubrick but he really really desperately

wants to be

and uh and i think that's the biggest

compliment you can pay to kubrick is

that the most respected directors right

now

just wish that someone would confuse

them for kubrick

and uh and this is why this movie is why

because he does stuff like this and it's

just incredible and there's not a frame

that you would change

and it's just actually there's one thing

i might change

i really don't like the font for the

opening titles with the light blue

the light blue narrow font let i don't

know it's just

i just don't that is the one thing i

would change it does

this is gonna sound like reaching but i

do think it's supposed to just be

disorienting that you're just like

why why does it look like that what is

happening what am i going into i don't

know

poor poor graphic design is just just

for the sake of being disorienting seems

like a bad choice

yeah well we loved this movie

and you will too listener if you haven't

seen the shining

then check it out please if my only

complaint of the whole movie is the font

choice and color yeah that's pretty good

and i used um

there's a couple shots from them driving

up to the hotel

that get used in dr sleep i think

there's um

but they did some kind of post

conversion on the shot to make it look

like night time

yeah but they have that same shot moving

over the lake yeah yeah that's

definitely the same shot

um but it's cool and i think there's

even one of the shots of the car driving

up the road towards the hotel that they

used

and i'm not saying dr sleep is anywhere

near this movie

no uh i but i i did i didn't

i think it was okay and uh i'm curious

what the director's cut that comes out

in a couple

uh a couple weeks will be i uh and i

like uh

mike flanagan right as the driver yeah

mike flanagan uh he did oculus he did

the haunting of hill house gerald's game

i was talking with my editor at work and

uh because scott derrickson just dropped

out of

doctor strange too and uh

we we both think that uh flanagan would

be

a really great choice to come back to

that

uh to take over that sequel because i

liked

some of the creative decisions he made

with this one i also

thought that it was an interesting but

it works choice to

recast the wendy and jack characters

with just

people who look similar similar and can

do the same performances

but not to try and be like an exact

duplicate yeah or do it

like the guy playing jack isn't doing a

jack nicholson impression

and and if they didn't try to cg jack

nicholson in there

shelly duvall and the the the girl

that's playing the shelly duvall part

doesn't look particularly like shelley

duvall

but she sounds exactly like her and uh

they even like recreate some scenes from

the first movie in the second movie

right but with the new actors

and i think it all fits together really

well yeah uh the the guy playing the

coloring's character

was like yeah he was great i i believed

that those people were the people they

were supposed to be

without it calling attention to that to

it yeah i and

the in the mini series too the guy

playing dick halloran is great in that

um and uh that's another difference

between

the the movie and and the mini series

and book version

is that they make a bigger point of the

fact that

that danny's power is much stronger than

most people's power

um so when he sends this message to

uh to dick that he needs help at the

hotel

like it's so powerful that he's sitting

and eating at a restaurant and people

think he just had a heart attack

and his like nose is gushing blood

because

danny has such a power to send this

message that it's like

shocks even him someone else with the

power that

this kid is able to yell so loudly to

him for help do you think it's weird

that if tony is future

danny that he calls his mom mrs torrance

well he doesn't want to call her mom it

would give him away

ah

but yeah at the end of the book and mini

series we're watching

danny graduate from high school i guess

and uh

we see the the tony

vision that danny's been having the

whole time

is the actual person playing a danny as

an 18 year old

accepting his diploma and then turning

to like thank his family in the audience

but instead of it being a talking finger

it's an actual person

who is appearing in just a finger is not

accepting his diploma

no that's just that's what it means

adult danny is actually just a severed

figure

i think that's everything for this one

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next time when we'll be discussing bon

voyage charlie brown

and don't come back which i am dvc that

was the rest of the title

you should come back you could even skip

the next episode and come back but

just please come back maybe skip right

to hollywood nights i think is the one

after

uh which imdb summarizes like so charlie

brown and his friends travel to europe

as exchange students no charlie brown

and some of his friends and we leave you

now

with the trailer there's not gonna be a

trailer for this

we'll see you next time folks i'll leave

i'll

if there's a trailer you're about to

hear it and if there's not i'll find

something charlie brown related

maybe the just play the piano just play

the peanuts song

from kill bill when they're fighting the

crazy 88 because they keep calling that

guy charlie brown

or just just uh cut pieces of the

charlie brown movie together in your own

trailer

but have the the narrator voice is just

a in a wow we leave you now with

something

good grief it's charlie brown and the

whole peanuts gang in another

full-length feature cartoon called

charlie brown and don't come back

wait until you see what happens to your

favorite comic strip

characters when they pack up

i'll fly to europe to spend two weeks in

france

but being in a foreign country isn't

always easy

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it means trying to learn a new language

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and adapting to local customs cheese

sausages

soup for breakfast we're in france

we have to adjust meeting new and

interesting friends

i am pure and i am very pleased to meet

you

i wish to welcome you to my country and

traveling on some really strange looking

boats

bon voyage charlie brown and don't

come back it's the movie that has

everything you want to see

mystery dancing

danger

excitement

and of course romance

it's the biggest

the best

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the most exciting charlie brown of all

time

love 30. it's born by us charlie brown

don't go over there to europe and

embarrass us and

don't come back

you