we're on a mission from god

wendy so i got that going darling

i picked the wrong way to quit sniffing

blue light of my life

we enjoy your films

i thought they smelled bad on the

outside

[Music]

welcome to vintage video where we're

re-watching the 80s so you don't have to

we'll be reviewing every major film

release of the 1980s in real time

over analyzing what you've seen and

spoiling what you haven't i'm patrick

o'reilly i'm jesse bayless i'm richard

wells and we have a couple guests with

us today

i'm derek sams and i'm laura sams and

today marks the 40th anniversary of the

release of blue lagoon

on july 2nd 1980. it was written by

douglas day stewart based on a novel by

henry devere stackpool

directed by randall kleiser and released

by columbia pictures

in 1908 henry davier stackpool's blue

lagoon novel was published

it was the first in a trilogy followed

by the garden of god and the gates of

mourning

it was first adapted in a 1923 silent

film starring molly adair

and my new favorite name dick

crookshanks

nice the producer herbert wilcox

bought the rights to the film in 1935

announcing a forthcoming remake

but plans fell apart and the rights were

sold to gainesboro pictures

who announced their remake in 1938 but

eventually the film was postponed for

world war ii and then in 47

frank launder was attached to direct and

the second adaptation was released

in 1949 starring gene simmons not that

gene simmons

and donald houston the 1980 remake was a

passion project of director randall

kleiser's

the original plan was for neither actor

to ever wear clothes in the film

which is why jennifer jason lee turned

it down at the request of her father vic

morrow

who we had earlier this year in

humanoids from the deep do we know how

old i was just gonna ask

about the same age so she was also

around 14. yeah

okay so did diane lane and lori laughlin

and isabella johnny they all turned it

down because of the

permanent nudity requirement which

obviously went away

right yes obviously they got rid of that

and then they auditioned

kelly preston linda blair jody foster

tatum o'neill michelle pfeiffer daryl

hannah rosanna arquette

melissa sue anderson kim basinger ellen

barkin justine bateman delta burke

jamie lee curtis bridget fonda melanie

griffith angelica houston

k lens muriel hemingway christy mcnichol

amy irving and sarah jessica parker wow

all of them actually came in and did

auditions for it

you know the age range of that group

yeah angelica houston

yeah or ellen yeah and sarah

i was gonna say sarah jessica parker but

her name is actually sarah jessica

parker

um she was young she's got to be really

she probably was only

you know because this is pre-square pegs

yeah and yeah god

what flight of the navigator was 85 45

years

same director yeah she wasn't very old

in that

kathleen turner apparently flubbed her

audition and sean young came in to try

for it and

almost went full catwoman she auditioned

five times and was pushing very hard to

play this role but it didn't work out

wow carrie fisher turned it down because

uh she had a commitment to the empire

strikes back good choices

but otherwise she would have been down

to do it presumably yeah there were some

good choices in there though

i mean there's some ones that i think

could have done as well as brooke

shields did

yeah and on the dvd release they

actually feature a screen test of lou

diamond phillips and molly ringwald wow

who came in for multiple rounds of

auditions okay i don't think i would

have gone with molly ringwald

i don't think i would have come with

lieutenant phillips yes that's

i also don't think that they play off as

cousins no they don't look anything

alike

[Laughter]

but the male lead was turned down by

willie ames and matt dillon because of

back when it was fully nude uh but in

the end chris atkins won

uh over sean penn who was the second

child wow sean penn

yeah that would have been interesting we

could have had a little darlings uh

rematch with uh with matt dylan nickel

or yeah or tatum o'neill yeah well

either yeah yeah

a previously undiscovered species of

iguana was captured in the film

that herpetologists later found in fiji

and named the fiji crested iguana

so someone was watching the movie and

was like that doesn't exist

yeah they flew out to find it why

wouldn't they name it after the movie

i don't know i think it's like the

director or something

brooke do you want to iguana after you

bro

randall kleiser took issue with the

critics who labeled the film kitty porn

on its release insisting that all of

shield's nude scenes were performed by

the film's 32 year old stunt coordinator

kathy trout

but i looked up her website and her face

looks nothing like shields

and in fact on her own site it says

at dunk island kathy was hired to do

nude stand-in for the lead female

actress

but at the last moment the plan was

changed and the actor performed her own

nude underwater sequence

however kathy received enormous advanced

publicity so i don't know if that was

just to be safe

they said that someone did it well i was

reading that

uh brook shields had to uh

like be in front of congress and she had

to say that all of her scenes

were in fact done by a stunt double and

i guess for legal reasons they just had

to do that

but it she she actually got called in

front of congress to make i read that

somewhere

wow that's crazy but for legal reasons i

mean

i i don't know that i necessarily

believe that they did that for all the

scenes just for convenience sake but

yeah and there's some scenes that are

just blatantly hurt that are clearly not

a double yes things that

they didn't have the computer visual

effects that we do now yeah where you

could just put somebody else's face on a

different body

and for that matter when you're filming

you know there's definitely scenes where

you're cutting together uh stunt double

footage with her footage but she is

naked

in the footage where she's you know like

coming up through the water and so

you're cutting between these scenes you

probably have footage of her naked and

just like well this worked better than

the other one i'm just going to use that

because when you're in the cutting room

at that point you're just like i'm going

to use what works yeah yeah the film was

obviously followed by

return to the blue lagoon with brian

krause and mia jovovich

which we'll discuss a little bit after

the frame would you say it's followed

when it's 11 years later

was it 11 years yeah it was 91 yeah oh

gosh oh my gosh

i would say like 82 or 83 would be

followed by but not 1991

yeah it was also followed by the blue

lagoon the awakening a lifetime movie

that we won't discuss afterwards

beyond mentioning that it did feature

chris atkins in a in a

small cameo role he was like a teacher

on the boat before it sank

wait a minute how much of a cameo can

you play on a desert island

he was an iguana in this one he just

like pops out and waves at them and then

ducks back into the jungle so we open

the film with a

colorized illustration of victorian era

boston that looks strikingly like the

cheers it really

really does that's what we started

singing the theme song while we were

watching it

yeah me too seriously uh we push in on

an illustrated ship at sea

and then we fade to the real thing where

arthur lestrange reprimands his son

and niece for balancing precariously on

the bow of a ship

we learned quickly that they are san

francisco bound

as richard insists on recalling it

and we learned that richard's mother is

dead and

emmeline's parents are both dead so uh

are we to

understand that they are sailing from

boston yes to san francisco around south

america right of course

but but then they somehow ended up on

some other tropical ice it's probably

the caribbean

yeah but you think they would be staring

pretty close to land

overall right i don't know also when

when this is taking place do you think

that

is there like a historical explanation

for why three of these

four parents would have been killed in

some way or are we to understand that

arthur murdered

these three people and took the kids

well it's a timely thing to talk about

during the covid situation so maybe

something's happening

in their time uh another crew member on

this ship

paddy button gives the kids a grumpy

look on his way back below deck

arthur moves downstairs to inform the

captain of an incoming fog bank

which hasn't been super lucky this year

so far if we had

ted striker had a fog bank an airplane

but he

sort of crash landed the plane it was

okay and then father malone didn't fare

too well in the fog

yeah you mean there was a fog bank and

the fog

yeah there's a fog bank out there

richard finds a stack of nudie picks in

paddy's drawer

and he gets a spanking for it and then

when emmeline interrupts he winds up to

spank her as well

when we hear people screaming about a

fire below deck

and patty is instantly freaked out about

it and everyone's scrambling to get off

the ship

yeah i think somebody yells that there's

like powder kegs down there

yeah there's powder kegs in the hold so

it's not like they're running around

to put out the fire they're just trying

to get off the ship before it goes

kaboom

yeah and so the kids are separated from

their father uncle

and uh the ship explodes and then in the

smoke the lifeboats are drifting apart

and they're calling to each other but

for whatever reason they're not able to

track the sound well enough to stay

close to one another

they end up floating for days on the

water and it's just a boat with paddy

emeline and richard until uh they awaken

one morning off the coast of an island

uh and rushed to shore well they did

shortly after the explosion

there was some wreckage in the sea and

so they were able to

um one box of luggage yeah they lassoed

on a

trunk that was floating nearby so they

had some stuff but there was no food or

water in it i think there was a little

bit of food

unless he brought that food with it yeah

there was a can of something on the i

don't know where it goes

but he's very sloppily eating the tuna

though considering

there's a very finite amount of food

that's what it looks like like sardines

or something

canned fish yeah and he's just tucking

it into his mouth and letting bits of it

fall into the lifeboat it's like be more

careful that's all of you

once they get on shore of this island

patty quickly locates bananas and

drinkable water they find like a

waterfall with some bananas growing over

it

in exchange emmeline finds a barrel of

rum and richard presents him with a

lovely human skull

patty is terrified and it's important to

note at that point neither of the kids

knows

what that thing is that they found like

she doesn't know what mom is he doesn't

know what a skull is which is

yeah we get a hint we can start to

realize just how sheltered these kids

have been

right i don't know that it's sheltered i

i imagine it's sometime between

1850 and turn of the century and so i

just don't think that

you know however old these kids are

eight to ten years old

like they've had a very broad education

but i did like that the way emmeline

describes the barrel is she says

oh i found a barrel and it smells like

the captain's and immediately patty's

like what

where is it yeah i'm surprised he the uh

richard didn't know what a skull was

though like even to have any idea

because even at that age they would have

had

some kind of schooling some kind of

biology

yeah and earlier when they're on the

boat he's he doesn't know what a shark

is either and it's like

kids know what sharks are like kids of

all age just know what sharks are

i don't know i mean i think we're

looking at this from the perspective

of of our own generations where we have

the internet of books and the internet

and all sorts of things where we have

exposure to a lot of information and i

think

back then you you still didn't have a

lot of information widely spread

but i think before we knew about

dinosaurs the first thing a kid wants to

know about

is sharks or pirates boston's a port

town i mean they got there's got to be

old talks of pirate stories and skull

and crossbones and things like that

i suppose but i don't think there's a

lot of sharks in boston maybe there yeah

but like if you look at sharks sharks

and amity if you look at a lot of things

like i guess uh peter pan is from a

similar time

um early 1900s and from that like the

kids know who pirate they know

they know what pirates are they know

about um i mean for them they say

engines and

so many right right and then um if you

go back even further go back to like tom

sawyer and huckleberry then

like they're aware like they would have

known what a skull was and that was

years and years

sure yeah so i think we're kind of

getting an idea like that these kids

maybe are especially unaware

more so than yeah they do seem like

they're they're rich kids that

could kind of protect maybe he just

didn't pay attention in school and he

was just

that they just inherited a lot of money

so they're very rich now

patty catches emmeline trying to eat

what he calls never wake up berries

out of a bush and he sweeps them out of

her mouth with a finger

the next day richard is enjoying some of

the stereography that survived the trip

to the beach

and while he's looking at some wedding

pictures he asks patty if he ever got

married

and he says seven times kids in every

port from kaleo to macau

17 at the last count i just thought that

was funny that he has so many kids

because he seems like a decent dad to

these two but he was such a terrible

father to all of his actual kids

uh we get a montage of paddy teaching

the kids life skills

fishing knots shelter construction

paddy has to chase them across the beach

because they don't want to go in the

water

but then later he has to chase them to

put their clothes back on

because they just want to swim oh that's

where richard says i think i'm never

wearing those old britches again and

he doesn't yeah he doesn't yeah just

right

to your gun

[Laughter]

one day carrying bananas through the

jungle patty stumbles upon a native

temple

with human remains splayed across a

platform and he's obviously

terrified and backs away from it and

goes back to their camp in their beach

home that night he tells the kids

that this is where the boogeyman lives

and if they know what law

is that the law says stay away from this

area but he's really doing them a

disservice here but not

being honest because he he doesn't

realize that he's not going to be around

all that time and he needs to educate

them as much as possible now

which is kind of against what he's been

doing so far he's been very

very honest with them yeah about

everything i mean maybe he doesn't know

the terminology everything's like those

are never wake up berries you're going

to be dead and buried like he's

he's very brutally honest with them but

the fact that he won't be honest about

this that they're

they're bad people over there stay over

here yeah uh

i get the impression his his intention

was to eventually revise this

mythology with no there's actually

people over there and they'll kill you

but you don't know it yeah probably just

in the moment

because i know you're kids and you're

scared yes patty is really trying to

obviously trying to protect them and

just using language

that he thinks would be useful but i

agree with you richard like at some

point he was probably going

to tell them more but they're all still

trying to figure out what is this island

about

and most importantly i want to get off

this island the sooner the better

and hopefully we don't have to get to

that point on revealing who these

boogeymen really are right but

unfortunately

later that night paddy gets excessively

drunk from the barrel

and he dresses in all the women's

clothes he could find in the luggage

and dances to entertain the kids for a

while and then using the barrel as a

flotation device

he kicks his way across the lagoon to a

smaller island that's just offshore

and he just drinks there through the

night and the next morning richard sees

him sleeping over there and he's like

oh let's go surprise him they take the

lifeboat across the shore

and when they roll him over his face is

like gray black and a crab crawls out of

his dead mouth

yeah and it's i feel bad for the actor

that he had to have a live crab in his

mouth

yeah but you also let our four-year-old

son watch this scene with you

yeah he liked it well jack's like i

wouldn't put a crab in my mouth

a good jacket a cooked crab from boiling

crab you don't understand

he got paid extra jack

but they just abandon the body yeah they

leave them there i mean what are they

they don't know what to do

yeah yeah it's just if they can even

lift

him that's true that's true that's true

um they wrote to another part of the

island to even escape his memory like

they're like we're not even going to go

back to the house that we shared with

them we're going to go to the other side

of the island now

i think it's impressive because these

kids are still really young and they

have to

start over yeah they're not using any of

the shelter he built they didn't even

take the pieces with them and the new

one they built is much better anyway

it's got a slide we get a quick hakuna

matata montage as they're swimming naked

and they age five or six years we're

getting a hint of

dumbo's baby mine from the score here i

thought oh i kept saying that as well

the little motif yeah yeah it just it

just sounded a little bit like it to me

richard sets up uh christmas morning for

them

they both mention having weird feelings

about each other on christmas

spoiling the holiday

[Laughter]

that night they try to sing christmas

songs and quickly realize that they

don't actually know any of them all the

way through

[Music]

oh little town of bethlehem

[Music]

dashing through the snow in a one-horse

open sleigh

all the stuff

i did like how em is like just like i

don't know the rest of just like

laughing and smiling through the rest of

the song

m goes diving privately and experiences

her first period and calls to richard

for help

but then when he gets there she suddenly

does not want his help anymore

like she's somehow come to terms with it

and it's like no never mind go away

leave me alone richard's upset because

he doesn't keep secrets from her

and he wants to know why she's bleeding

i think we should talk about this a

little bit though

because i think it's interesting to

her make that sort of transition so

quickly because i'm yelling for help and

then saying no never mind i'm fine

i don't want your help leave me alone

because i feel like she would still want

us help when he got there because she

doesn't know what's going on she doesn't

know what's going on and she's not in

pain

obviously but there's gonna be a lot of

blood and she's not

sure why so i feel like she would be

asking for help but trying to solve this

mystery with him

yeah exactly and and the only other

person you're there with you rely on

them for

for everything you would say hey i'm

experiencing this right now what the

hell is that yeah and

also it wouldn't be in just that moment

right like it would be

several days right and it's interesting

that that doesn't come back up it's like

the next scene i think

he comes back to her and says why were

you bleeding she's like i don't know

and then it's like yeah like aren't you

still bleeding

like yeah i mean let's also consider the

the novel was written by a man

the film was directed by a man and it

was the screenplay was written by a man

um not that men can't do some basic

research but i don't know

i wonder if these guys might just have

not thought that through

yeah why bother doing that i also

think it's interesting to think about it

in terms of shame

because yeah that she's instantly

embarrassed why are these guys ashamed

of their bodies at all they've been not

ashamed up until this point for any

reason so

why would they suddenly think not

knowing that this was about sexual

maturity

think of this as a shameful thing right

yeah it is weird

it it's like the implication of the

story is that the [ __ ] that shame is a

natural progression of

of maturity which it's not like not in

this situation right

right but the author was just like it's

a period so it's a small period of time

about four or five minutes

and then she's angry

uh before my wife left uh one afternoon

he asks m where her father is

and she says that uh er

wait whose parents are dead her her

parents her parents are dead

he asks her where her parents are and

she says same place as your parents

but he he's insisting that his father is

coming back for them

but she she assumed that he died when

the when the ship exploded

can we take this moment and pay homage

to boy meets world right now

because mr feeney yeah to mr feedy plays

mr lestrange richard's father

yeah it's pretty amazing i wanted to

mention uh

that richard is talking about sorry i

also get very confused when we keep

talking about rickard

it's like richard doesn't know what a

skull is yes i do

uh richard is like

wanting to know about what's happening

to his body

this is embarrassing he talks about

himself in the third person

talk about shame he says there's only

there's there's all these weird hairs

growing on me

but like brook shields is like oh my

legs are perfectly shaved all the time

right i tried to see if like she was

completely hairless and of course she is

she's like

perfect but she was also 14 when she

filmed this

which yeah you still will get things

happening to you but he never grows a

beard and he never grows a drug

yeah he's supposed to be like eight but

he's only like what 16 at the end of

this like some people don't grow their

beards until they're killed

he's also blonde so there were a couple

scenes where i thought there might have

been some peach fuzz at least

growing but it was really light

yeah and all that sun well you could

definitely see

um like in some of the shots of brook

shields when she's when they're closer

up on her face you can see that oh this

must have been really late in this in

the filming because her hair is very

blonde

yeah like underneath the hair like it's

like the sun is starting to and the salt

water is probably really starting to

damage it

yeah one night while m tries to cheer

richard up during dinner they hear drum

beats

off in the distance and they know that

there's other people on this island

i'm assuming they're attributing these

sounds to the boogeyman at this point

and then richard catches m floating

around in bioluminescent algae later

i'm not so sure that that literally

rewound it

to check and i was like wait is that is

that what that is

but that's what it's supposed to be

obviously a digital effect

but i you know that patrick was saying

that he thought it was supposed to be

bioluminescence and

i i don't know are you saying it's just

like a xanadu like fantasy picture

no i don't think it's like you know

we're not trying to turn on neon signs

here but i feel like they they were just

trying to

uh emphasize the moonlight on the water

and they just did a poor job

i i i thought bioluminescent algae as

well

yeah i have the note i i thought that at

first

and derek what did you think i thought

you might have said something about like

maybe the lighting was just i thought it

was just the the way they were adjusting

the lighting on camera just to make it

look i don't know

like a santa to fantasy sequence um all

right well then now it's three to two so

you guys win

well normally we outnumber jess on this

well also i thought it was

bioluminescence

oh okay there we go then it's three to

two uh

there's also like it could be because it

was clearly like day for night

um so that could have been the sun like

hitting the water

yeah in weird ways so it was definitely

a visual effect

yeah yeah oh oh for sure well yeah but i

mean like but maybe they were trying to

they were tinted at blue so it'd be

moonlight

right exactly yeah no it was algae

it kind of reminds me of effects that he

uses in other movies like in

flight of the navigator like weird

lightning effects that are in that movie

oh yeah um and also when the ship is

changing shape sometimes it like has

that

you know but that was a lot of leap glow

but that was computer effects yeah

yeah totally um they hear the drumming

again during the day

and m follows it into the jungle and

when she finds the source

of the mysterious sound the the

sacrificial platform

she is fascinated and she

looks at this very large facial statue

and assumes that this is god's face

and that maybe patty was mistaken when

he said that the boogeyman lives out

here

um richard is not interested in heading

out there

yeah he's very much more law based it

seems

yeah he's like but the law yeah this is

sort of supposed to be like an adam and

eve situation

yeah m has a nightmare that richard

eighth and never wake up berries and

then in the morning

uh she kisses him when she learns it's a

dream but then she shakes him off when

he takes it a little further than she

intended

women yeah uh the next few nights she

catches him creeping on her while she

sleeps

uh and then in the morning frustratedly

masturbating into the ocean when

all of you his uh approaches are refuted

i was like dude

when a wave comes back up on you you're

going to be not in a

situation i regret this decision

hunting for supplies one day he notices

a ship um

and she sees it too but she

intentionally doesn't light the signal

fire

because i think she would rather be on

this island with richard she's not

interested in getting rescued even at

this point

but in response richard is very angry

and he builds a series of failed ships

to escape the island

uh to go to san francisco on his own

without her help

m mocks richard for trying to escape as

the boat collapses under him

and he complains about all these secrets

that she's keeping

and she tells him that she knows uh

secrets that he keeps too

and mocks him for his masturbation and

throws a coconut at his head and

gives him a concussion yeah i was

slightly concerned about this

because he seems like unconscious at

first and then he like kind of comes out

of it

but then he kicks her out of the house

even though they built it together he's

like i did more work than you did get

out move somewhere else

well it gives her a good backhand too

yeah i was like oh dude come on

real nice man it's like guys get it on

already

uh one day exploring the reef em steps

on a rock fish

and she collapses into a fever so she

finds a nice comfy bed of rocks to lay

on

uh and then uh when richard finds her

she's like

just sweating profusely and like on the

edge of death

and she says take me to god which means

take me to the other side of the island

that you think we're not supposed to go

to

it wasn't it wasn't an invitation for

sex yeah i'm surprised he didn't take it

that way at first

she was frail um but he drags her out

into the jungle

and uh he places her in front of the

enormous face carving on the sacrifice

platform and praise

and uh she later wakes up seemingly

cured of the fever

while he's just sitting there like

sponge bathing her basically yeah i want

to i wanted

i laughed at his prayer because it's

kind of like the the

christmas oh right christmas music the

christmas songs where she's like i don't

remember the rest and so he's just kind

of combining a bunch of stuff that he

learned as a kid and then at the end

amen it's just like there's my prayer i

don't remember much i don't know how to

do this but

god if you're real yeah it wasn't there

uh with liberty and justice for all in

there or something

pretty hilarious i was googling at that

point i'm like when did the pledge of

allegiance get written

oh did you find out uh yes but i had to

re-google it because my memory is not

that good

it was before when this takes place i

assume yeah i want to say

um it was 1890 something

but yeah i don't think it's super clear

in this movie

as to when it's taking place because we

know so we know it's before in 1914

because that's when the panama canal

opened

sounds like it's after 1892

because that is when the pledge of

allegiance was written

and it was probably before when was the

book written 1904

what did you know 1908 1908 1908.

so it's sometime between 1892 and 1908.

but

it had to be in the early 1980s because

that's when that iguana was discovered

the two of them split a sticky melon

and when richard asks for a kiss she

reluctantly gives in

just tired of fighting him on this we

get a long montage of

em and richard being increasingly

romantic and eventually blatantly sexual

with each other

from photographs they found in their

luggage they deduced that the next step

in their relationship is to get

married or to approximate marriage as

best they can

alone on an island so they get dressed

up in their fancy clothes

and have like a tiny wedding in the

house

one morning richard finds m vomiting

into

the water and uh then she starts

shunning his advances

uh moving forward for a while and he's

he's very upset about it and he keeps

asking why she doesn't want to do it

anymore

and she says i don't know but it hurts

and you can feel it if you want to and

she invites him to feel the baby kicking

so i don't know how accurate this is

because one i don't think that

it would hurt her and two

you actually get more amorous when

you're pregnant

i've heard this too well again this was

written by

a man in 1908 who had

who had once heard about a woman

somewhere

richard here's more chanting uh this

same night from the other side of the

island and

he freaks out looking for m he

scrambles into the forest because she's

just missing and he

finds the other island tribe and they're

performing a ritual sacrifice

and they're decapitating a guy on the

platform but

the way they're decapitating him looks

like the worst way to decapitate a

person

it's like they're pushing like it's just

a it's like a

dull stick that they're pushing against

his neck to take his head off

no no no they were holding that's what i

thought that stick

and then hitting bludgeoning him on the

head with another one oh i thought they

were literally like

hammering the thing that was just to

hold his

neck down what jessie slammed him on the

head yeah

that makes me okay so maybe he's not

decapitated this is one of the scenes

where i get confused with the other

movie

with the return of the blue guy i get a

lot of the scenes coming out of the

other movie because

i was like i thought one of the natives

sees him and

and doesn't give him up but i was like

oh no one that happens in the other one

yeah yeah i

am i've actually never seen any of these

movies before watching this one just

several days ago yeah um so i don't get

the scenes mixed up but the whole time i

was expecting something else to happen

right these natives

sure yeah it never really does like this

is like the last the tribe never pays

off

yeah he runs off and i hadn't seen this

movie for like years and years and years

and then when we

watched it i was really sure that at

some point

those those boogeyman were gonna come

back and there was gonna be a whole

thing

it also seems impossible to me that this

tribe hasn't encountered them

i was just gonna say yeah because

they're they have a huge house built on

the beach

there's no way they're not getting fish

and they're within walking distance

and they have to be seeing smoke from

their at least just their basic campaign

right

yeah i was kind of taking it as the this

tribe wasn't living on that island but

maybe they sailed from like a nearby

island

just to that spot to do their whole

sacrifice ritual thing oh maybe

they weren't there richard actually says

that okay richard says

that at some point he says oh maybe and

i think he's wrong about where they are

traveling from but he points to the

little island

like where patty dies and he's like

maybe they come from there

and they only come over here when they

need to you know

but uh he once he sees this this guy

getting beaten to death

uh richard runs away and on his way back

to the house finds emmeline giving birth

just in the jungle probably to the where

would you have done it

well yeah that's that's definitely where

i would choose over over the house with

a nice bed in it

definitely the jungle uh you do it in a

in a bathtub you squat and did she have

time to choose

i mean didn't she just go into labor she

didn't know what was happening she

didn't know that

she was going to have a baby she just

kind of dropped and squatted and

just was in pain right like she didn't

know yeah she should have

yeah gone to a different she didn't even

know a baby was coming she didn't know

what that feeling was in her chest

it's like i mean i'm just gonna sit here

there's there's one moment where

richard catches her eating another yet

another snack and just says

you're getting fat

oh god but here in the span of five

minutes richard has seen one man

murdered and another one born

and i wondered if the implication isn't

that the spirit of the guy that they

that

they just killed is going into this kid

oh i didn't think that but maybe just

like the cycle of life and death because

after this once the baby's born you see

richard you know examining

his uh limbs and like looking at his own

hands and then the baby's hands

and then right after this he also goes

back and sees the

adult patty's skull and bones and and

whatnot

yeah like just realizing mortality and

this the cycle of life

but the moment just reminded me of that

song lightning crashes

a boogie man dies yeah those are the

words that's what he says in that song

i don't think that's the lyrics i

changed it a little

um the baby is crying for food the next

day the next day it hasn't had anything

yet

uh hey that's not weird that is also a

very big newborn

as they always say that's true always

yes and a very very

skinny pregnant woman right yeah yes

that's true

babies go a day or two even three

without necessarily eating right away

yeah

but they try to feed it a few fruits

that it doesn't seem interested in

um and then she basically intuits the

process of breastfeeding by

just wanting to hold the baby and then

it starts rooting around in there

yeah i find it a little unrealistic i

mean

not that they wouldn't kind of figure it

out eventually but what would happen

is the baby would cry and she would just

be squirting milk all over the place

until she fed it so she would they would

figure it out that way

not like oh you accidentally bit my

nipple it would be like

oh my god i'm gushing baby food yeah

because her

her breasts would have gotten much

bigger even well before

and and she probably would have been

lactating even before that too right i

mean just by accident just by like

rolling around in the bed well once the

baby was born exactly yes

and there are many details like that

that i wonder if they

would have been more accurate in the

book rather than in the movie

um just like with her let's pop with her

getting her period i mean in a movie

they can only

show one quick scene for a story element

like that

maybe in the book it was there were more

details that were more realistic

yeah but the baby even the baby latching

it's like i just thought that that was

so quick like oh

magically latching and you just hear

real life stories of how hard it is oh

yeah at first

and yeah and all the other stuff that

can go wrong in that process

yeah but this is like basically a

fantasy island anyway like

their lives would be much harder than

they make it look on this island it

wouldn't just be like

sand castles in right waterfall section

which is why this got more like survivor

they'd have to do all these obstacle

courses that's right

they have to vote people off eventually

i just always go to the simpsons of

when they're on the island and bart has

this fantasy sequence of their treehouse

and nelson goes

how many monkey butlers will there be

one at first but he'll train others

how cool would that be though if on

survivor instead of just like

you're voted off the island like they

just lay him down on a slab and pin his

neck down

stick just like nope we're literally

gonna kill you all

um even the winner at the end that's the

price the next day

richard takes that lifeboat out to the

small island where patty died

and obviously only a skeleton remains

this is at least nine months later

uh probably more like a year or not

yeah uh but at least nine months uh

that's true

you're not wrong he observes the bones

and he's making notes of the

similarities to his own anatomy

and then uh he comes home and observes

the same shapes in his kids hands

see i was concerned by the black object

inside of patty

i was the f on my first viewing i think

on the second viewing is just seaweed it

says okay

i was like oh was he like was he like

actually

i thought maybe that the implication was

he was actually stabbed with a spear and

didn't die from

the drinking that the natives had killed

him with a spear and that was the

spearhead i think you're just writing

because

[Laughter]

em teaches the baby how to swim nirvana

never mind

yeah definitely definitely nirvana

flashbacks here

this was really uncomfortable for me to

watch i know that you can teach babies

that young

to swim but like as as a mother i would

be like

yeah i'm not letting brooke's shields

this 14 year old actress

like put my baby underwater like i do

that that's me that's my job

i'm gonna drown my kids

we have a long montage of just general

fun with baby

just playing with toys and building sand

castles but we also have more swimming

with baby

but which one is clearly a dummy oh my

god yeah that's

really creepy it's like horrifying

you're dragging a corpse around

the water yeah it's it's hair is like

twice as long

and the head is like bigger than it

should be for the body it's like

lolling backwards as they're swimming

holding its hands it's very creepy but

it's better than putting an

actual baby under the water for as long

as those scenes last

was super uncomfortable the stuff where

it's an actual baby and they're

underwater is a pool

it's a it's a swimming pool at someone's

house and then the stuff where the with

the dummy is the stuff that they shot on

the location on the beach that makes me

feel a little better

yeah that we didn't fly a baby to fiji

and when he was well

the baby was definitely on the island i

guess yeah the the three of them are

playing games in some beach mud

and they're covering all their skin with

the mud until suddenly the kid stands up

and says boat

because they taught this kid words that

he wouldn't need

um first not only did they teach him

that but like how did they

because the only way they could show him

something that they didn't already have

on the island would be to potentially

draw a picture like i mean they have a

lifeboat but it doesn't look like the

ship they also built a toy boat

and were kept saying like get the boat

get the boat

that's fair but uh from a passing ship

noted physicist albert einstein notices

the three of them

on a beach yes exactly what i said i

really wish that mr feeny had played

albert einstein in something now because

it's he's a dead ringer in this movie

well i think it's very admirable that

he's been looking for them for

potentially like five or six years yeah

like certain that they're still alive

somehow

yeah in this day and age i think you

would give them six months and say

they're gone

yeah when richard and m see the boat

they kind of smile at each other and

walk away from it

silently agreeing that this is this is

their home and they're not going

anywhere

mr feeney tells the ship's crew that uh

it couldn't possibly be them i'm unclear

why he's ruling that out

um there's there's three possibilities

it's that he thinks that they have a

darker skin color because they're

covered in mud that's what i think

or that they saw the boat and turned and

walked away or that they have a kid

i think it's the second and third one

together i also think they should have

been tanner

from how long they've been on this

island just outside naked all the time

em asks if they can go back to where

they first found the bananas when they

got to the island

when they pulled the lifeboat ashore we

see that the first hut has collapsed on

the beach

he asks if she's coming and she shakes

her head no but wasn't this whole trip

your idea

and then she comes anyway yeah while

they're exploring the wreckage of their

past the baby steals a branch from the

the never wake up bush of berries

m and baby distractedly float away from

the shore in the lifeboat as

richard is just collecting stuff that

they might need from this area

as they're floating away from the island

the baby throws an ore overboard and

this is when m realizes how far

out they are and she can't reach it with

the other ore so she calls to richard

for help

and this is when he swims out to them

but suddenly a shark appears

and as he's climbing into the boat m

throws the remaining oar at the

approaching shark

and so orless they continue drifting

further and further from the island

where they're very slowly cooked alive

and dehydrated

on this boat and one morning em wakes up

to catch the baby eating

from the branch of the never wake up

berries that he found and she can't get

all the berries out of his mouth he

he swallowed some of them and then

richard peels the rest of them off the

branch and splits them into two piles

for them to commit suicide with

and they each eat their piles and go to

sleep and then the same ship with mr

feeney returns to find them and when he

asks if they're dead

uh his criminal response no sir they're

asleep

i wonder if that line was added um no

it's in the book

almost word for word apparently from

according to wikipedia

um which i read right before this yeah

so exactly

it's kind of um ambiguous at that point

whether they would wake up again or not

um yeah but until a sequel book comes

right

the sequel they're dead they they

literally replace the line no sir

they're asleep with

yes they're dead yeah well that's why i

i was struggling to remember how this

movie ended because it's been so long

since i've seen it and i s

and i've seen return to the blue lagoon

far more times

and so i couldn't remember if they were

dead or not and

i think that's why because they changed

the ending yeah

at the very beginning of return the the

they're pulling the

family out and they literally just wrap

up the parents and dump them overboard

because they're dead

i must have seen it because that's how i

remembered it too

i remember getting to the end of the

movie and just thinking

oh this is gonna suck because he's gonna

find them but they're gonna be dead and

then

that line they're asleep i'm like oh i

don't remember that so i must have at

some point

the book garden of god which is the

second book uh starts out the same

way yeah the rest of it's different but

it starts that way basically in the in

the movie

sequel return to the blue lagoon they

take this kid aboard and they place it

with a mother who has a daughter

and then those two get stranded on the

island right because there's like a

cholera outbreak and they all have to

jump ship

but in the book the boy

is shipwrecked again and the boy ends up

on the island by himself and he falls in

love with a girl from the tribe

oh so it's a it's a completely different

story for the rest of the movie but it

starts the same way

yeah because honestly the second movie

is very much just the first movie again

yeah in every way yep like like he he

even

goes and searches the shellfish for

pearls and give gives them to hers like

do you even know what pearls are or how

to get them yeah i mean

why what instinct was that or what what

made richard in the first movie wanna go

play open these rocks i'm gonna pry up

these rocks and maybe i'll find a

marble inside well i think you would

probably have tried to pry them open for

food

because you understand that this is a

sea creature and you could potentially

eat it

i would assume it was a geode

they're all slimy inside delicious

the director here was randall kleiser he

directed this after greece

and he followed up with flight of the

navigator honey i blew up the kid and

white fang

the novelist henry de vere stackpool he

also has credits for the return to the

blue lagoon as the writer of the sequel

book garden of god even though it's not

really based on that book he also has

lots of projects that were adapted to

film in the like 1920s including

uh later an episode of alfred hitchcock

presents in 1960

that was adapted from something else

that he wrote a different short story

and the screenwriter here was douglas

day stewart he was hired because of his

work on boy in the plastic bubble with

john travolta

who obviously klezer had worked with on

greece he also wrote an officer and a

gentleman

and the scarlet letter movie the more

recent feature

the composer basil polodorus he's best

known for

his collaborations with uh john millius

and

paul verhoeven yeah he did conan the

barbarian red dawn iron eagle

robocop hunt for red october free willy

starship troopers a lot of good stuff

which which of those were you super

excited about robocop yeah

robocop great brook shields was emmeline

lestrange

she was suddenly susan on the show

suddenly susan she's also in a movie

called alice sweet alice aka communion

which judging from its imdb screen grabs

looks amazing it's like a very early

title for her but it's uh insane horror

film

she played violet in pretty baby which

is the film that inspired her casting

here

and uh also features full frontal nudity

from her and face the same

child pornography issues that this film

did but she's 12 in that one so i don't

know what was going on at the time chris

atkins was richard lestrange

he's frederick in the pirate movie with

christy mcnichol from little darlings

he's mr christensen a teacher on the

boat in the lifetime adaptation of the

blue lagoon

leo mckern here was paddy button he

plays imperius in lady hawk

and cromwell in a man for all seasons

william daniels was arthur lestrange

he's best known as mr feeney on boy

meets world

also uh a thousand clowns which is a

favorite of mine

and kit yup he's kit he used mr braddock

and the graduate

it's crazy that he's never been a bad

guy in a herbie movie because i feel

like he fits that

category like with david tomlinson and

harvey corman really well

but the closest he comes is in hervey

fully loaded which features a cameo from

kit

because uh he did the voice of the car

on knight rider

and uh jeffrey kleiser plays the lookout

who

is on the ship at the beginning of the

movie jeffrey kleiser is obviously

brother of randall

kleiser and the founder co-founder of

the kleiser wall check visual effects

house that did all the visual effects

for a flight of the navigator he was at

the screening that we went to yeah yeah

okay we just saw flight at the navigator

at uh the egyptian recently

and uh randall and his brother were both

there as a part of

the panel that they did it was actually

a really cool screening they

talked about some of the revolutionary

effects that they did in that movie

they had to build all their software

from scratch yeah it was really neat

they mentioned where they got the name

for pixar was that directly no

someone asked again but there there's no

definitive answer

um yeah but uh pixar does get a mention

in flight of the navigator which is

technically before pixar existed

or maybe like right around the same time

like within a year of when pixar

first started using the name but yeah i

i think this is an enjoyable movie

oh you missed one oh well we have a

couple things to talk about too the rest

of the

oh okay so uh i noticed uh in the

credits uh

brian may not that brian may oh but that

brian

from mad max okay cool so

he was but he wasn't the composer no he

was music coordinator on this one

but he was composer on battlebacks right

okay cool uh the cinematographer

uh nestor i'm gonna butcher his name

yeah nestor carpenter no uh nestor uh

almond almondros

elmendros i'm sorry if i'm butchering

your name sir uh he was nominated for

an oscar oh for this movie for

cinematography

uh and that's fair and we should mention

that this one

razzie for worst actress for brooklyn

yes it did it was the inaugural

golden raspberry yeah yeah that's that's

crazy what

there was oh my gosh that's not fair

we've had a lot of really we've had a

lot of really bad

movies here and this was not one of them

i thought she did a great job yeah yeah

i think i think she can be really

charming and funny

when she's trying to be i think some of

her line reads seem like she's

not present but i think that that's okay

yeah because they're kind of

going through a lot of trauma i also

think that to me

i think in the in the 80s people just

[ __ ] on brook shields no matter what she

did

because but she's 14 why would you [ __ ]

on her for some reason she was a joke

though

she's 14 why would you [ __ ] on her

that's coming out i did i did really

want that used out of context again that

randall kleiser really wanted to

uh like up the whole fantasy stuff so

he gave christopher atkins a picture of

brook shields like months in advance to

when they were shooting because he

really wanted them to actually fall in

love and to actually have this romance

but it's like this like 14 year old and

this like 18 like 18 or 19.

like okay yeah that is very weird but

they hated each other

yeah when they got to the island

apparently they it was like a dirty

dancing situation right where they they

didn't really

yeah where patrick's yeah they didn't

really write along very well behind the

scenes

um which i think actually is a credit to

how good the acting in this movie is if

they actually hated each other because

you look at those scenes and i think

that

they're they're being very sweet yeah

they look authentically like they care

about each other

but it also makes the scenes when

they're angry much more

like visceral yeah yeah she just

ad-libbed the coconut throw

yeah that was not in this that was a

real concussion um i think i do need to

draw attention to one person in the

credits aphrodite condos

who was uh the wardrober who i'm

guessing it had to be on set for

one day out of all of them right

that couldn't have been a super

difficult job no offense i don't know

it might have been a lot of work to make

sure that you always glued her hair to

her boobs

but is that wardrobe or makeup that's

good it's a fine line

finally a hair and makeup slash wardrobe

this is a jurisdictional problem

here let's talk to the unions exactly

but all overall like real re-watching it

i was a little like

surprised how enjoyable it was

considering

when i watched it probably far too young

as a kid i just remembered it being kind

of like this

like eh movie and then i think i had low

expectations and then re-watching it

again as an adult i'm like

oh it's kind of like they're trying to

portray this

kind of innocence and like edenic kind

of

portrayal of human nature i mean they

got a few things obviously a little off

but yeah i thought it was kind of sweet

you know and none of the

nudity or the sexuality was very

gratuitous

or out of place it was just like oh

you're stuck on an island

and you have no one else to talk to and

of course you're attractive

young men and man and woman like

i remember this movie from watching it

again also

very young and um it

first of all it's a lot better than i

think i remembered it being but it's

also

a lot less risque than i remember

because same yep really

really young watching it i was like oh

my god this is scandalous

you know as a kid and now watching it

back i'm like oh no this is actually

pretty tangy

pretty realistic and i similarly i never

saw it as a kid as i mentioned earlier

but i had seen the the dvd on a shelf at

walmart or something

and i always just thought it was some

filthy movie that was basically

pornography because i was a young kid

and just saw this picture of basically

naked people on the cover and i'm like

oh my goodness

i can't believe that's out here in

public shouldn't that be behind the

curtain over there and if i if i had

actually seen the movie i probably still

would have been scandalized at that age

but

um yeah looking at it now yeah it's the

every scene where there is nudity it is

pretty innocent

and i i didn't get to watch it again to

try and figure this out

but i think like of course you don't

actually see

sexual activity portrayed directly on

screen you see kisses and then it's like

heavily hinted at

and they're like lying close together

where they're wearing probably nothing

um i think i think the the closest you

get to

something explicit is like nude

straddling yeah that happens

but aside from that there's no like

thrusting or anything yeah and then

after i

if i'm not mistaken like sometimes when

they go swimming they're

like wearing their loinclaws and stuff

and i think that happens like any time

after there's been any kind of

hint at sexual activity like when

they're swimming they're

covered um it's almost yeah if that i

don't know for sure if that's right

because i have to watch it again and i

don't need to like

well you you definitely see a lot of you

can definitely see a lot underwater

yeah both the boy and the girl whether

their body doubles or really them

uh you definitely see a lot and and

there's just a couple of scenes where

the camera's like

far enough away uh where like you know

if you're watching this in hd

you could probably see it but maybe back

in the day when they were showing this

theatrically maybe you couldn't see it

as well

yeah it's like the opening of a james

bond movie where you're like was that a

nipple

i think they were trying to like have

the new any scene where there was nudity

have it be like this innocent kind of

edenic look

at just people and have it be very

practical whereas where there was

anything

sexual happening then you're like that's

all off screen

yeah at least at least yeah

interpretation is that might that's

probably the approach they were taking

and i don't remember much

uh i don't say i don't remember a bunch

about the sequel as far as the nudity

because i always ever saw it on tv uh

the 1991 version

uh and so i don't know i only got the

first half of it watched before we

started but there was almost no nudity

yeah so that's what i figure i think i

remember it i figured it probably has

virtually none if none at all i think

the

the early 80s though was was less

worried about that stuff like you have

pg-13 movies that have dicks in them

yeah or like

what was the franco zefferelli oh yeah

the romeo and juliet oh which is my

favorite

we just recently watched the lerman one

but uh the

that one the 1968 one is the best and

this was before the pg-13 rating existed

right right because it was before steven

spielberg yeah right

so i don't know if this movie at the

time i actually don't know what it was

rated

i think temple of doom was the first

pg-13 right well no temple of doom was

pg

but spielberg was upset like he's like

no we need to have something he

spearheaded the campaign to have that

the first official released pg-13 movie

i believe was red dawn

oh okay and that's for violence i guess

yeah and it wasn't the first to be given

the rating but it didn't come out before

the other movie i can't remember the

title of the other one

but i do think it was important to

randall kleiser that

um that everything was tasteful yeah uh

because he didn't want people to look at

this film the wrong way

but i it also makes me wonder how

easily they could have pulled that off

if the people were naked for the entire

movie

i feel like that that should never have

even been on the table as an option

because

it would be hard to do that and have

people still call it tasteful

not impossible just difficult i think

what do you guys give this a thumbs up

or a thumbs down would you recommend

this for people

depends on the people it depends on the

context there are some people i would

never recommend this to

and and others i would i'd say it's

certainly interesting for discussion and

for

you know analyzing it for the sake of

film and story and talking about

romanticism and um all these ideas about

you know people living in nature versus

being around society and

um certainly some of that you saw the

beginning of the 20th century and

yeah it's certainly thought-provoking i

at least say that so i'd recommend it

i'd say one thumb up one thumb down

depending on who i'd recommend sure is

that like

you're the new person in your office

you're like oh by the way if you haven't

seen blue lagoon rent it tonight

right yeah don't talk to me until you've

watched blue lagoon

it is a it did score what a nine percent

on rotten tomatoes out of

like wow did you just say 99

which makes me want to like it kidding

me you know

i do really like this movie i give it a

big thumbs up i

i think this movie may have been a punch

line when it came out yes

the critics destroyed it but it made

tons of money

right because it cost almost yes

compared to what it cost

and it had good looking people in it yes

yeah there you go

what could you ask for yeah that does

well globally

would you give it thumbs up i would say

a thumbs up for this one for me

this is this is something i would i

would say is a it's a more of a good

film than a bad film in my head like

i would i would recommend that people

get out and see this one if they haven't

seen it agreed

i think i liked it a lot more than you

guys then because it's it's pretty high

on my list of movies

um it's not low on my list uh i give it

a thumbs up it's been a long time since

i've seen it again because i i do get

confused with the other one

but i i fully enjoyed this movie and i i

don't

think it's deserving of brook shields

getting a raspberry

pi that's other things that we've seen

but we're going to reassess

yeah we're at the end of the year we're

going to reassess all the razzies and

the oscars and everything oh interesting

we're going to correct all those

mistakes

oh good uh letterbox list this is uh

we've

been keeping track this is the 77th film

in our

year so we've been scoring them all in

order uh

jess where's this going in your list so

it goes pretty darn high in my list

um it goes in slot number

13 for the year so far which is below

the long riders but above die laughing

okay richard uh i'm putting this

uh just below stuntman and just above

uh brew breaker okay number 23

i'm actually putting it this is 21st

place

out of 77 titles it's going

uh above the blues brothers and right

below saturn three

for me wow above the blues brothers is

pretty high praise but that's another

one i haven't seen that need to

you know what though if you haven't seen

it already you're not going to like it

as much as everyone tells you okay well

never mind then

i saw the blue lagoon i don't need to

yeah yeah you're good

you just need one blue movie from 1980

and you're good

indeed if you need an island movie to

watch you need to watch

the island yes oh yes that's that's

another one

to check out for sure is amazing uh did

you guys want to plug anything on your

side

uh yeah i'm on a podcast called the con

guy comic con prep show

um we talk about just the new news of

the convention circuit

uh what conventions are actually still

on

uh right now we've been talking about

which ones are delayed and canceled and

when they're moving too

if they've got somewhere to be but we're

usually on monday nights

yeah you can check out theconguy.com

it's news about all the convention world

and general things about geekdom

cool and we'll throw a link in the show

notes too so people can find the show

but i think that's about everything for

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