we're on a mission from god wendy so i got that going darling i picked the wrong way to quit sniffing blue light of my life we enjoy your films i thought they smelled bad on the outside [Music] welcome to vintage video where we're re-watching the 80s so you don't have to we'll be reviewing every major film release of the 1980s in real time overanalyzing what you've seen and spoiling what you haven't i'm patrick o'reilly i'm jesse bayless and i'm richard wells and today marks the 40th anniversary of the release of the big red one on july 18 1980 it was written and directed by samuel fuller and released by united artists the big red one is largely based on writer director samuel fuller's actual experiences in world war ii specifically the character of zab who like fuller had only learned of the publishing of his first novel when he found a fellow soldier reading it on the front lines warner brothers was interested in making the big red one in the 50s with john wayne not fuller's first choice as the sergeant and sent director fuller to europe to scout for locations fuller said that he directed the film merrill's marauders in 1962 as a dry run for this film when jack l warner argued for extensive cuts to merrell's marauders the plans for the big red one were dropped was that also a war movie yes peter bogdanovich helped fuller set the film back up at paramount but when the studio had frankia blans left the project was put in turn around and eventually fell to lorimar to produce and was eventually distributed by united artists bogdanovic was originally set to produce the film and play the robert carradine part but uh he pulled out late in the game and brought in gene corman to produce apparently fuller was also pushing for scorsese to play private vinci but scorsese had to back away from the project when the production schedule threatened to overlap with raging bulls i didn't know he did acting roles a couple small ones but um i guess he was going to be in here until it was too late the bulk of the film was shot in israel using jewish extras to play all the nazis which made for a very disorienting set yeah evidently when the actors playing the four horsemen first met lee marvin he didn't speak to any of them for the whole drive to a shooting range where they'd be doing some training and eventually when he did speak he said which one of you is carradine and then robert said i am and he said [ __ ] you carradine [Laughter] and later he admitted that he'd only picked on carradine because it was the only name that he recognized evidently the film was mistakenly placed on the uk's video nasty list and temporarily confiscated because the title was mistaken for a pornographic film was so there was another film that had a similar name no oh they just read the big red one they just saw the big nope nope and they were like no we don't have to read what this is about well that's the way i was reading it before too like before i knew anything about it it was like the big red one no but it's the big red one yeah you know which makes a difference that sounds like it could be a subtitle to a hellboy film an extended version dubbed the reconstruction includes an extra 47 minutes of extra footage we did not watch that we watched the theatrical cut i think seven minutes 27 minutes this movie is less than two hours so 47 minutes is like 150 of the film practically yeah i don't think the film needs another 47 minutes it is fine the way it is there is an unwritten rule that a war movie has to be almost three hours long it's so silly but i mean that i think puts another check box in the why i don't like to watch war movies yeah because they're all epics yeah although this one is like epic on a budget like you can tell where they're stretching which is funny because i liked this one and i was like maybe that's why maybe if everybody just took a hacksaw to a war movie i might actually watch them yeah they tried that uh with hacksaw ridge we start the film in black and white in the ninth configuration apparently the configuration what yeah we opened up with this big christ on across visage overlooking in black and white mountains in black and white okay this reminded me of the moon scene moonscape by the way if you're hearing a little clickety-clackity in the background it's because we're we're recording uh in our garage and god is crying outside so sorry maybe i could clean it up in the edit but yeah uh lee marvin's walking through the aftermath of uh battlefield in france and he stops to check a corpse for signs of life when a crazy horse races toward him stomping on his rifle and just bashing it to pieces and uh scaring him behind this huge crucifix suddenly a hun approaches saying the war is over in german with his hands up but lee marvin knifes him in the chest and we tilt up to jesus on the cross with ants in his eyes we head back to the trenches lee marvin tells a fellow soldier what happened he collected a strip of red fabric and he was inspired by the the dead huns helmet to stitch a one onto his shoulder to represent the first infantry division the guy asks marvin when he killed this hun and he says that the armistice was signed at 11 am and hands him a bottle to drink and says the war's been over for four hours and he said you know it was over and he says he did narration from robert carradine as zab starts up i could have lived without any of this actually i didn't know which character i mean until because you are telling me now i guess yeah that might have been him but throughout the entire film i had no idea who was talking as soon as it started i i recognized it as louis skelnick from revenge of the nerds yeah this is definitely robert carradine i didn't even know he was in the movie and i was like i know the actor whose voice this is yeah but they never make an establishment of the characters throughout the whole film yeah he never refers to himself as i like well he kind of does when he's going around and introducing each of these guys he says and that's me zab and then he talks about his background i guess i missed that knowing that there's a 47 minute longer version i have a feeling that this narration probably wasn't in it i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't but it also feels like the movie has a bit of an identity crisis as far as who the main character is because lee marvin's character starts the film by himself and you know he he rides through it with all sorts of stuff happening to him but he doesn't really have an arc like he doesn't seem to change much not as much as the mark hamill character seems to change yes yeah and usually the person who changes the most is the main character zab doesn't change at all i don't feel like and zab is not interesting enough to be the main character of this movie so it's just i don't know who i'm supposed to focus on i feel like zab is definitely based on fuller so it would make sense but i never would have picked him out of the crowd to be the lead character of this he didn't play an important role in any of the events yeah not really i guess i would come around with that only in that he's the writer that he wrote this story he's the storyteller yeah so he's the main character but it but just because you're the narrator doesn't mean it's your story yeah that's true but but i have a feeling that this is more like that this is the story that he's writing yeah and we're just hearing him write it because basically everything that happened in this movie happened to samuel fuller during the war so it's like he edited his diary into the 10 most interesting things that happened to him during world war ii and then made a movie about it but yeah robert carradine is here and he's explaining you he just told us the origin of the big red one that basically he's he's taking credit for that flashback we just saw that that he told us that information and we fast forward to north africa in 1942 were in color this time and we're introduced to uh marvin's uh referred to as the sergeants wet noses i don't think they ever give him a name they just call him sergeant for the rest of the movie so the four characters are griff the sharpshooter played by mark hamill johnson a pig farmer with hemorrhoids who barely does anything in this movie there's a few characters that are i think considered extras that are that play a bigger part than this guy does to me vinci uh street kid who played hot noise on the sacks and zab a novelist looking for a war novel inspiration so he basically enlisted specifically so he could write stories about war zab mentions a book that he wrote called the dark deadline which is likely a reference to director fuller's own novel the dark page he explains that it's an unpublished mystery novel and that he left it with his mother before he left for the war griff is drawing a large and not particularly good political cartoon but uh that never really pays off that he's a cartoonist either the cartoon is anti-vichy french and he has to explain to johnson that no vichy is not a kind of soda but rather the french fighting on the nazi side as a precaution they have dropped leaflets into north africa where the french soldiers are and they will wear american flags hoping to avoid a confrontation altogether they all start putting condoms on their rifles to keep them dry in the water i don't see how that could help at all no because there's still all kinds of other parts of the gun right but i don't doubt that this is based on something that they actually did i just wonder how actually useful it was that they were doing it at the start of the scene i did not realize he was talking about the guns i think that was intentional oh like you you're just like all right you don't want salt water in there is that a thing do you want to keep salt water out yeah definitely oh man [Laughter] burns for days they all start putting condoms on their rifles and frenchmen on the beach are reading the leaflets that uh marvin mentioned in the dark when they hear an announcement coming from the water the americans announced their approach which i feel like they also shouldn't have done like the leaflets should have been enough yeah while you're like shoot this way on the way into the well i i guess it's just i don't know what the rules of engagement are in the situation i also wonder if it wasn't just a budgetary thing where they were like we don't have a lot of boats so for the for when they are beaching we'll have inserts but for the wide shots we'll just have the sound play well i think it's also to sort of be like hey in good faith those leaflets weren't lying we are the americans we're coming we're not going to shoot you and you know because if you were trying to pull one over on them i don't think you would have announced yourself once you got there yeah but also who would have been trying to sneak in yeah posing as the americans yeah yeah it's like the germans are like we already took over and you're fighting for us now please don't shoot at us we're pretending to be american the commanding officer on the beach says hold your fire but then a general shows up and demands action he shoots a soldier who disobeys a direct order and starts firing one of the big guns himself kicking off a short skirmish the vichy general is very quickly killed by his own men who wanted to join the americans but now that they're shooting back and forth it's kind of too late to announce that but so they were vichy well technically speaking they were they were under a general yeah yeah but they were like they didn't care yeah yeah so the americans gave them the opportunity to be like yeah we don't want to do that right and if that general hadn't gotten to that gun then basically they they could have just killed that general and avoided this whole fight because that was the only guy who was like trying to prove his loyalty to the the germans some of the frenchmen who refused their generals orders are ironically being killed in this shootout by the americans griff fires one shot way off target and then totally freezes up for the rest of the fight eventually captain chapier on the french side gets a hold of a speakerphone and announces their surrender and the general's death but instead of accepting a surrender basically in response the americans say well you can't surrender unless you're surrendering basically your choices are to continue fighting with us or fight with the germans yeah but neither one is a surrender you're just joining a different army yeah they won't accept a surrender so if you're gonna if you're if you're gonna claim to still be vichy after this fight is over yeah then you might as well just keep fighting yeah after that everyone basically greets each other joyfully on the beach even as their friends are dying in puddles around them griff was pretty messed up about having frozen like that we see a bit with the troops sitting around eating lunch near a beach and a small girl is following the sergeant around wherever he goes when griff finally shows up he tells the sergeant that he can't murder anybody and sarge explains the difference between murder and killing because we don't murder we kill it's the same thing the hell it is griff you don't murder animals you kill them this setting kind of reminded me of lawrence of arabia sure yeah just the general look about i could see that wait they both happen in north africa right i mean do you consider arabia part of africa i don't want to offend any listeners who might be from the middle east who do not consider themselves part of africa or europe who knows they're their own continent sarge eventually gives the lunch that he's eating to this young girl that's following him around because clearly that's what she's been waiting for we cut to the german side on some african sand dunes and general schroeder speaks with some of his men about the big red one one of them gerd tells a very unpatriotic story about the hymn of hitler's party that they're all listening to apparently it was originally a poem by horst wessel horse vessel was a pimp who supplied hitler with baby faces like you he was killed in a brawl over a [ __ ] in berlin [Laughter] a poem by a pimp became the hebrew fiddler's party schroeder's not amused by this little anecdote and gerd complains that schroeder used to be tough he says in libya i saw him murder a german officer and he says i didn't murder him gerd i killed him he ran from a fight with the british and then schroeder announces their next move through the kazareen pass behind the panzer division and gerd says no i'm not going to choke on tank fumes i'm no damn nazi fanatic like you germany is through singing for hitler and then of course as to is to be expected he's shot dead and tumbles down this sand dune you're getting like a comparison of the two two conversations of the same type right in that the sergeant talking with griff about you gotta you know you don't murder or you kill him but i guess in a in a way accepting his this descent like trying to trying to talk him into it but not like trying to blame him or kill him for it but i also feel like what what gerd is saying is different than what griffin is yeah no but i mean it's i guess also just how how the different sides are handling the situation yeah but i feel like if griffin had said [ __ ] america i'm not gonna kill any more people like i'm not gonna dance to the president's drum anymore that the sarge would have killed him i don't i don't know i thought i thought the point of this was more that they're similar than that they are different i think he said the hell with fdr i don't know if he would have just outright killed him i think if he refused a direct order he would have he tries to later i mean he's not trying to but i think he would have done it later um i also am not a big fan of seeing and i think this is the last time that we do this where we see the other side and having conversations that are outside of the knowledge of the writer yeah that is weird i'm fine with having a narrator in most films but the narrator can't know things that no one ever told him yeah i mean conceivably he learned this after the movie but then it's a spoiler that he survives the film yeah and also how would he have had this conversation with these germans about this german who got shot for some reason well because he encounters schroeder later in the film oh does he yeah oh oh that's oh okay yeah i was confused at who that was yep that's who it was the allied front is headed to spiva but the big red one is stationed around back at the kazareen pass because they're like oh there's an off chance that they're going to bring the tanks through here and of course that's where they bring all the tanks through it's kind of funny to have mark hamill in israel pretending to be in tunisia when the first three star wars movies were all shot in tunisia pretending to be a galaxy far far away the men studiously brush dust from their rifles and the path of a tank division and they're left with no option but to dig in and literally bury themselves in the path of these tanks yeah what was the plan here i don't know and i can't believe that they dug these holes this deep and and that quickly and that that quit that deep that quickly and that none of the german soldiers on foot noticed that saw these gigantic holes but uh they were only person sized holes and i presume that they were squatting in them so they probably weren't six foot deep holes but still but even if they're three and a half or four foot deep what was happening was so there was a large rock and the past sort of split around both sides of this rock and i think what they were anticipating was let's go left let's hope they go right and they won't run over us and we'll just hide in these holes but that's not what happens zab stupidly leaves a freshly stomped cigar on the ground but that doesn't really matter it's just to scare us well i was really worried about that and then it never came back yeah but uh they get into these holes and uh somehow these germans didn't notice the holes or the cigar and as the tanks are moving over the holes the men are screaming one at a time yeah but it's not it's clear that the tank isn't even touching some of them so they're just screaming out of fear i i guess the tunnel i i'm assuming that that the hole is collapsing around them maybe but i'm not an expert on tanks but the whole concept of the tank is that the weight is displaced yeah it's distributed um and so i don't unless that dirt is extremely loose which would make sense that they were able to dig these holes this quick yeah but and just the pressure of it was enough to collapse it so i wasn't clear did they die did they yeah were they i think they are all dying because we specifically see all four of our main characters jump out of their holes okay and so the presumption is the other guys didn't show anyone who didn't do that got killed okay so yeah at the last second we see our four guys jump out and a small firefight ensues the sergeant is shot in the back and falls to his knees reenacting what actually happened to lee marvin in world war ii though he fought in the pacific theater not in africa and the tanks start firing on the americans as they're scattering over these rocky hillsides on either side of the pass sarge wakes up who knows how much later months weeks i don't know yeah but he wakes up in a temporary german hospital in tunis where he's being informed the war is over for you we won you lost suddenly air raid sirens are blaring and sarge tries to escape this unmarked hospital because that's what gets bombed is the unmarked hospitals yeah and an injured man from the big red one enters and he's in search of some compatriots when he finds sarge he informs him that the big red one swept through the kazareen pass after them and basically took a lot of targets including tunis and sarge assumes that this man is mistaken because he reminds him this is thomas before a squad of americans sweep through the hospital with rifles and sarge is like oh you did take tunis okay that's cool so what was the point of the guy lying to him that was someone that was fat like running the place running the facility on the german side yeah it was it was right before the the americans had taken the hospital oh okay so that guy didn't know that tunis had been taken exactly and there's those just right that was the air raid siren he was just trying to prevent this guy from trying to killing people or yeah i mean it's like the tokyo rose kind of situation of like you just say oh you're losing everything's going they just have our way just discouraging information yeah it's like saving private ryan when they're in the being shot at and they're hunkered down the germans on the pa and it says the statue of liberty is caput that's disconcerting we cut to sarge arriving in algiers not wanting to be left out of an upcoming mission uh through sicily with his men somehow out of the original 12-man rifle squad is now down to the four men we've been following they rise slowly on the beach and run to reunite with their sergeant and we are suddenly in sicily 1940. it's like this grand sweeping music and it's like oh this is the end of the movie we also go to this super wide shot because they're like what would happen here it's like they're not going to run up and hug him yeah because that's not what this sergeant would put up with so exactly they're just going to run up and get close and be like hi sarge and then go back to the water so they just go super wide so that your brain can just fill in the blanks of what happened when they reunited yeah i also like that lee marvin is smoking a cigar through his robes yes but also at this point why is he still wearing the robes why not why is he trying to conceal his face from other soldiers because it's a secret face sicily 1943 on the boat there another soldier named shep starts ragging on vinci about being italian and uh he doesn't count on him to fight against other italians in sicily and he says i think all you'll do is drink [ __ ] red and sing o solo mio and then zab grabs the guy and holds his mouth open so vinci can jam his rifle in and then he just starts singing but he i think those are the only words he knew because after that he just goes the guy the guy whose mouth he's holding the gun in is like actually bleeding yeah i'm not surprised he's just dripping with sweat yeah there's a lot of really sweaty things going on in this movie yeah and he's like i like i sold a meow shep apparently found a roll of toilet paper at the hotel in algiers and he plans to bring it with him but as they're approaching the beach in our our second beach assault in this film it gets shot out of his hands we all know what a precious commodity toilet paper is now we appreciate this scene we didn't appreciate it back then but now we do they attack a second beach and move inland vinci asks for a transfer and sarge transfers him to the point because he's not going to get put in a different group as they approach an abandoned village they send vinci as a point man in case they're snipers and apparently that was the the best uh plan that west point could come up with was here's how you find a sniper push a guy out there and if he explodes then then there's bad guys i mean i feel like this whole movie was sort of like that for me because i don't watch more war movies i don't know a lot about this stuff but i'm like it is horrifying to see how we actually dealt with this stuff and i'm sure we have progressed a lot since world war ii in terms of our tactics but like literally just using people in this way is just so horrifying i also feel like if you send one guy out you can't all follow him that quickly because if the sniper's not going to give away his position then he has no motivation to kill the first guy when six more guys are going to come out otherwise yeah so why don't you just wait and see if there's other people with him because this guy's probably not by himself here at a split vinci takes the right and he sends sarge and the boys around to the left sarge approaches a corner and he finds an enemy grenadier he tosses the man one of his own grenades and the man drops the one he was holding to catch sarge's which i guess in essence set both of them off that's like one of those things where i feel like you hand somebody something when they're on the phone they'll just take it if you throw a grenade at somebody they'll drop their own grenade yeah but the funny thing is it didn't even have to be a grenade he could have thrown him like a hot dog and the guy would have dropped his own grenade that would have been a very different scene yeah this is all i have is it's like what is it and uh escape from new york or escape from la it's like no one draws to this candice the ground yeah well it's also like uh in uh where the buffalo roam earlier this year when they're about to go into court and uh hunter just hands a sandwich to the the prosecuting attorney as he's like turning around to go into the courtroom and the guy takes it like without thinking about it and he's like the [ __ ] am i gonna do with this sandwich now when the smoke clears sarge sees that finchy had the guy in his sights the whole time and that it was basically revenge for being made the point man and he's like okay well you're reward us you get to stay the point man then zab's narration gets into the war movie trope of avoiding getting to know your fellow soldiers because they come and go so fast a babyface soldier named smitty brings them a bucket of water and the four of them all use it before the bucket makes it back around the loop to him when he leaves he trips over there's a trip line to a mine and he lands on it and it blows off one of his balls marvin just kind of picks it up and chucks it yeah sarge gets to him first and he's like oh that's just that's not to kill you it's to castrate you and it's like why do they make traps just to castrate people just kill me but he's like just one of your balls smitty and he picks it up and it's just like uncle he's a big hunk of bloody meat and he throws it across the court he's like you can live without it that's why they gave you two so you could trip over two of these lines after two you're done yeah moving through fields between cities they take shelter in a natural cave formation they talk about just how surrounded they are and that all of their big guns and tanks are still on the water they haven't even made it to europe yet griff considers running away but rethinks it knowing that sarge will shoot him and i'm pretty sure that he would have here if he tried to just run out they hear another panzer division moving past probably the same tanks but it's a different panzer division an enemy soldier moves into the mouth of the cave to take a piss and then eventually he just leaves a second soldier moves deeper into the cave to do a search and they discreetly stab him to death as bombs are suddenly heard going off outside the cave griff recognizes the explosions as american weaponry somehow and he says i thought our guns were still on the water now enemy soldiers looking for safety from the bombs are rushing into the cave one at a time luckily and sarge has the men set up a relay to shoot these guys as they're coming in and then move the bodies so that people continue to come in eventually the shooting stops and the bombs stop and sarge radios his lieutenant and we learned that the artillery fire came from the navy a ship that's like miles offshore and somehow took out this entire panzer division and there's literally zero survivors i guess yeah uh well because i guess the the survivors were running into the cave and they got blasted yeah but were there only seven people with these tanks because there should be more survivors than this yeah and i mean generally yes these navy ships can shoot miles but you need someone spotting the target right you can't have it blind and you can't hit 15 people in the desert well the others might have run inland or something but either way they've been scared off from this location yeah now they're in sicily and they're looking for a big gun called an sp that the allies have sp of course scientology wise is a suppressive person we all know that because we haven't mentioned it on the show yet but we're all scientologists so don't be a suppressive person that's not true none of that is true but i am glad that they used several tactics in this movie to fill you in to fill me in on what the hell is going on with all these war terms because i don't know what any of them mean but then it didn't end up being that it ended up being just a tank in a house well it had wheels but it was just rolled into a house yeah wasn't it was it just a tank i think it was just a tank hiding inside of a house oh so maybe they misinterpreted what kind of weapon it was yeah but either way they were hoping that spy planes would find it but for whatever reason they haven't yet so vinci moving through sicily falls down a stone staircase and just by happenstance lands on a box full of 2500 bucks worth of lyra can it's for my old man you always want to open up his own bagel shop which in this line reading i i he like stumbles over it yeah i i went back over and over and over again to re-listen as like he always wanted to open his own bagel shop yeah it's like was that the best take you got yeah this of him saying this line what what was i supposed to say bagel shop sorry yeah that's great cut print then they meet italian finn wolfhard in the village yeah that's exactly what he said he's uh he's moving through uh he's moving through this broken downtown he's uh he's leading a donkey with a trailer carrying the the sun-bloated corpse of his mother he also already has a group of soldiers as an escort he explains to them that his mom died and he wants to bury her with his father and they ask if the kid knows where the sp is for some reason but he happens to and but here's where they use the trick that you see yeah because he's like yeah he says he doesn't know what an sp is and he's like hey knucklehead ask him where the thing is tell him it's a it's a big gun on wheels it's a self-propelled i guess is sp right self-propelled gun and the kid knows exactly what he's talking about which shocks all of them to the point that i don't know why they asked to this kid where this gun was but they agree to bring his mother if he shows them they're like oh we'll just park her in the shade here and we'll come back and get a toe later and he's like no we're going to bring her the whole way and you're going to do what you said or i'm not going to show you the gun at all and he wants an ambulance he wants her body to get taken to the cemetery and jayla and he wants a coffin with four handles so he leads them true to his word and they find the gun it's uh it's housed in this hollowed-out building firing out of a window so it's invisible from above because it just looks like a house and to complete the picture they've surrounded it with uh women forced to pretend to toil in the fields under a supervisor lee marvin says it makes for a nice peaceful picture from the air they leave a man behind to take out the schmeiser which is what they call the the guy supervising the women in the field but it's not griff who's the sharpshooter i guess he's just oh he's still not a terrible shooter now and he doesn't want to kill anybody so his instructions are when he hears them shooting to kill this guy on the field they sneak up behind the building and they find three or four men working the gun one's on the radio one's reading paper one is shaving and sarge assigns each man a target by pantomiming their activities and the next time the the sp goes off they fire on all these guys and kill them all simultaneously and then the schmeiser in the field is taken out and the women with scythes all start slicing up the dutch miser in the field which is a great you have like his pov looking up at the sky and then all these women come in and just start swinging their sides down on him uh and just for clarity after a little bit of googling it looks like sp can be a term used for a tank spg is a type of it can be a table there it is okay cool because i guess the tank is self-propelled there's various versions of it there's kind there's kinds of guns that are on like trucks and stuff like that but there's you know a tank could be considered an spg or a self-propelled gun or artillery yeah all right to show their appreciation these women cook the americans a huge meal for freeing them and and liberating their their village the boy sits off on his own eating by himself just kind of sad until sarge gets confirmation that a silk lined coffin with six handles is inbound and i wanted the kid to be like i said foreign he only wanted four and no more not one handle more and they just break them off disrespect griff draws pictures for the women and thanks for the meal but we don't see the pictures and that's the last time he draws anything in this movie before they leave sicily sarge is looking for his helmet and a girl appears and returns it to him decorated in flowers zab says the crowds are going to spot that garden from a mile away and he's looking at the girl and he says i like the smell i really wanted him to wear this helmet like this for the rest of the movie he does not but he does wear it out of the village like that suddenly we're back in the boats again prepping for d-day a guy named lemchek has been assigned number two for the mission and he's trying desperately to swap with somebody else here though what's that they had they had like a nine month break or something like that so they they got some leave and then they're back but we don't see any of it he says he's willing to pay ten thousand dollars in the form of his like gi insurance basically if i get killed i get ten thousand dollars i'll put you down as my dependent and you'll get the money but nobody wants his number two which makes sense they hit omaha beach the next morning i'm betting that all these boat scenes were shot the same day and probably all three beach storming scenes were shot on the same beach part of what makes this movie feel a little cheap is that we keep repeating scenes and locations lem check is shot first and vinci laments having passed up on ten thousand dollars but that doesn't make any sense to me because if he if he was number two he probably would if he had taken up on it he would have been the one that was dead well he didn't die because he was number two here he he died before they even started counting off numbers to put the the bangalore together but yeah so so wait the number was for what getting what order you're going to put that tnt pipe together yeah so i'm saying if he if he had but he got he got killed before they even made it fully onto the beach okay i guess i mean his odds of survival were still very low yes but given how lucky these four guys are they could have saved a lot of men by just putting vinci number one yeah yeah exactly the lucky guy first the camera's on you a lot maybe you should go first we see a wristwatch of a dead soldier in the tide i don't know if this is supposed to be lemchek but right now the time says 6 30 we're assuming that's when they hit the beach the men are basically pinned under heavy fire and can't move in either direction because there's a big wall of barbed wire that was supposed to be taken out by four different teams before them and it didn't get bombed it didn't get bazookaed and so now it basically falls to them to take care of so they have a thing called a bangalore relay which is just a really dumb looking invention it's a big metal tube full of tnt and they have to like bring it over in segments and then connect it where they want it to go off yep and each of them carries like one piece out so that they can assemble it all together because i guess it's too heavy for one person to carry by himself right number one is sent out with two segments of the bangalore right as he is basically crossing over into the no man's land he gets blown up but somehow his segments of bangalore don't explode which i guess is good number two lem check is no more so number three is sent out and he connects his bangalore segments to number ones and then gets killed number four is sent out he makes a little more progress he drank drags the pieces further up the beach and then he's shot five heads out five and six are shot seven's already dead so eight is up and that's griff uh zab tells him he better survive because zab is nine and doesn't want to go out here griff falls once next to the body of one of the men sent earlier and i can't tell exactly what he's looking at here at first i thought the implication was that this guy is pretending to be dead so that the enemy would stop shooting at him and he doesn't care if they're sending people after him his eyes are open they are but people die that way but then when i rewatched it i i think the implication is supposed to be that he's just freaked out by seeing a dead person up close but i'm not 100 sure on that i feel like if you were faking it that when you got up after they successfully set off the bangalore someone would shoot you from your own team for faking it yeah well that's what the sarge did not yeah was it the sergeant at the beginning yeah that's exactly what's happening here is that while he's looking at this guy he's trying to decide if he's going to move again because he's like paralyzed by this fear and then griff starts shooting in a big circle around him and i'm pretty confident at this point that if he hadn't if he hadn't worked it out that sarge would have actually hit him maybe in like you know an arm first to be like hey these are real bullets you know i don't have blanks for intimidating you but griff eventually gets the whole tnt tube well not the whole thing he drops about half of it behind him as he's moving but for some reason you don't need all of it i don't understand this weapon i don't get how it works i don't either it's a tube full of tnt and somehow this is gonna blow a hole in the barbed wire correct and it does like how does a really long tube of tnt make a difference just throw a whole goddamn leg just throw a stick or just throw a bunch of sticks of dynamite in there like throw a bunch of grenades in there of dynamite yeah it's weird i'm assuming that they did their research as far as how this no i think that it's a real thing but even zab there says no it's like to meet the guy who came up with this piece of [ __ ] it's a real thing because they use them in saving private ryan yeah but uh i don't know exactly why what the benefit would be yeah like why couldn't like like you guys were saying just like bundle a tnt with a wire uh maybe the tube protects i'm wondering if the tube is just the to keep it from blowing up from enemy fire correct and and and the tube is actually concealing the the the wiring that you need like so you so every time you assemble a tube you're connecting a piece of the wiring right or maybe you're just detonating at like a longer distance because you need it to get further away from you like if this if this let's say you know wall of barbed wire is you know 10 feet wide you need you need to cover that whole wall with a hole but the purp yeah i mean the purpose is to just completely obliterate whatever is around there so they would have a place for their tanks and other vehicles to to come up on shore yeah so this whole scene is is done in private ryan right like the opening of private ryan is this whole battle scene and it's definitely better in that movie not just because of the budget but i feel like there's too many moments here where the camera is locked down where you don't it doesn't feel like a real situation it feels like a reenactment because that's what it is but in saving private ryan like every shot is handheld every shot is pov every shot there's 30 people in it screaming at each other because they don't know what's going on people are just getting shot constantly and it just feels i mean i don't know that it was more realistic but i mean from what i understand from the reviews of people who were there who saw that scene that it was like exactly how it went down it captures the chaos of being there yeah but uh just as he's getting the the bangalore underneath the barbed wire we get a taste of the soundtrack that felt like uh willy wonka's pure imagination to me [Music] [Music] but then they blow the hole and the wire opens up and they radio in that they have they have their exit on the beach they have a way to get through now we see the wristwatch again and now the blood red tide uh is washing over the hand and we see that it's 9 15 which is nearly three hours after they hit the beach it seems like that would be equally dangerous though to be like hey we only have one way to funnel through this beach so let's shove everybody through this one place where they can still just with all this artillery just focus on this one hole we just made yeah i also feel like if it was so dangerous to sneak up there with one piece of the bangalore mine then why is it safe for all of us to just get out right now and walk up to this hole in the gate it's not like there's still people shooting at all of us we just basically cut to a break in the next city where zab is playing some basketball when he notices a soldier named kaiser reading the dark deadline he moves in creepily close before asking what the man thinks of his book and kaiser says it's damn good and zab says you know my mother sent that to me for my birthday and he tells kaiser that he wrote it and then kaiser jokes in response that he printed it here we get a really weird scene a bunch of germans in the same field where sarge murdered the hun after world war one are arranging themselves to appear dead draped over a tank as a trap this feels like something you would do if there were a platoon coming that vastly outnumbered you yeah you needed like a last-minute plan but there's way more of these guys than there are in the team coming to get them i don't think there were though i think that there were only a handful of german soldiers there but a large portion of them were already dead you're saying they were real dead people there was a lot of real dead people there and there was only a handful of guys that were left and so i think their strategy was to be to to play dead to get the drop on them yeah i i know that at least the guy they draped over the top of the tank was dead i think a bunch more in the field were also dead because that's the whole way that they discovered is the different uniforms right uh there were there was enough of them and they had a tank that was clearly functional because like the gun works on the side of it yeah if you just let the americans get closer and then start firing on them you win i don't know what their plan was here maybe they didn't know how many people were coming i guess but also as far as the story of this movie is what was the purpose of having it occur back at this location yeah there was no significance to it because the significant scene that happens happens at the end of the movie completely somewhere else yeah um it seems like this this should have been the scene that was in the end of the movie yeah this would be the first one-hour long war movie the men find a monument to the lives lost in world war one and they mistake it for this war because they recognize so many names but when they say the names are the same sarge says they always are kaiser is sent ahead to inspect the scene and all the dead germans in his trap one german is watching from high up on the crucifix and radioing to the men on the ground and kaiser observes the germans playing possum and totally buys it but it's not really his fault because you know he calls the rest of the man over and they all buy it too that's why they had like bananas because you just start stabbing bodies as you're going through the field yeah uh there there's a a really great scene in uh fury where they're in the tank and uh the one guy won't fire the gun he's like those guys are already dead it's like uh because what are you a doctor keep firing yeah the germans wait way too long to take any kind of action in the tank sarge notices that they have different collars so they're probably not from the same group they were infantry mixed in with the people running the tank he covers their mouths to stab them one at a time and so the we get this little hint that each of them is alive as they're like holding their breath or trying to struggle at the last second but not enough to signal to the other guys in the tank with them that they've just been killed he radios to announce their situation to the lieutenant and uh he's using some some code he says that he's sergeant possum which i guess is i don't know if that's specific code for i'm in the middle of a bunch of people pretending to be dead because possum would make sense like is this is that is that a standard thing that i don't know if it's a standard thing but i think it was but he says oh you're in an ambush so it's something like that yeah like the guy knew exactly what he meant um but he says hey so you're kind of on your own though because we're really busy so your call is important to us please stay on the line higher than normal call volume yeah we are currently experiencing as they're leaving kaiser notices a live soldier moving on the ground and i can't tell who shoots first if kaiser shoots at them or if the germans try to take advantage of them no kaiser okay because he does turn around to name his gun but i think the i couldn't tell if the guy on the ground actually shot at him first or not oh i don't think so i think it's kaiser's fault for sure that because they they seemed like they were getting away with it because they use the excuse they very loudly say hey we we have to bring them over the hill we have to bring the rest of the troops over here so we have to lead them over here because they don't know where we are and so they were sort of baiting them to say hey we're going to bring you more targets you know what stay where you are let's go dig up all of that beer and bury it here this looks much softer probably a better place for it good thing we got all that nazi gold we stole yeah we'll hide it here in the with this cross we'll tell the president he can come over the hill in just a moment so they all start shooting back and forth someone jumps into the tank and makes fast work of the leftover germans because like you said this is a functional tank with a lot of ammunition in it and uh he just takes out everybody else on the field while the americans are basically hiding behind the tank only kaiser is hit in this scene of course and they patch him up real quick they don't take out the guy behind the cross though no they don't they leave him up there for the whole scene it's very weird and it doesn't come back no he never he never shows them discovering him or him dying or anything maybe it's in the 47 minutes of other footage yeah i think he was just embarrassed about what happened he's like well i forgot to tell them to kill the americans this is kind of my fault when i said play dead you're all method well he didn't he did like you know reprimand them is like if you move i'll shoot you so he he made them wait through this whole thing maybe his plan was always like these guys seem pretty cool i'm gonna let them kill my friends um then i'll be friends with them this thing is covered in ants oh my god a man on a motorcycle with a sidecar comes racing up to them and just flips over the handlebar when he stops it seems like he's dying but nobody cares a woman is about to give birth in his sidecar and he came to them for help they bring her into the tank which i guess it's safer in there than in the field because there were germans but germ germans yeah go stay away from the germs i think it's just protecting them in a potentially you know dangerous war zone yeah okay get into this tank with all these corpses no he said move the bodies and then put her in there yeah there's more bodies outside the tank to be fair there's billions if you count all of them every person who has ever lived or died is outside of this tank they bring her into the tank and they tie her legs up in the air with the bands of bullets that are strung from the ceiling i did like the moment though where he's like turn the bullets around like she feels threatened by the fact that the bullets are pointed at her if i didn't speak english though and a bunch of soldiers brought me into a tank and strung me up and pulled out a fat stack of condoms i would be very worried but they're using them as an approximation of rubber gloves that would not work that doesn't help at all yeah it's like this is perfect because they're covered in sperm you just have like these falcon hands deliver babies with just your fingertips you look like one of those crab people from the circus johnson is assisting the birth because he should do something in this movie but uh he's just like pushing on her belly like that's how you get it out right yeah like it's a play-doh extruder and the baby's just gonna come out weird star shape it's like the pop-o-matic bubble in trouble yeah give it a little pop and that baby shoots right out he asks sarge how to say push in french and he says pousse and he says [ __ ] and sarge is like why don't i say that word because you're not very good at it but he starts to repeat it for the woman in this weird like sensual voice and uh the baby is born safely hooray belgium 1944. i i like that they're like force gumping them their way around like world war ii but it's weird because he actually was involved in all of these theaters like fuller was yeah um but yeah it is just like wow you you hit everything i think that's the point of the fact that there's a big red one they're the first guys they send them in everywhere they need them to go ahead of the troops they approach a monastery which is really an asylum for uh what lee marvin calls retards and insane people there's a woman there named walloon who is a fighter and she has a plan to kill all the crowds silently to avoid any casualties but the men are like just bomb the place we don't have time for this just bomb the place and lee marvin says killing insane people is not good for public relations and griff says killing sane people is okay he's like exactly you get it that's right in the asylum a woman in a pink dress presumably walloon is dancing around with a baby doll another inmate is army crawling through the courtyard a german guard is just drinking and lazily groping at walloon as she dances by see now we're definitely in the ninth configuration yes for sure complete with the nazi uniforms i don't think any of these guys are faking it though to get out of war at least one might be yeah outside another german guard is sleeping against a tree until he is stabbed by sarge somehow walloon sees this from inside the building but no one else notices or they at least cut to a reaction shot like she has a direct line of sight on him doing that but i don't think there's any way she saw what was happening from inside this building she pulls a knife out of this baby doll and does her crazy dance around the asylum as she sneaks up on guards and slits all their throats while recklessly singing the americans are coming the americans are coming out loud [Music] with everyone else on the ground floor dead she escorts sarge and a couple other guys to two men that are up in the tower but there's still many more in the cafeteria so they kill the tower men and then in the cafeteria one side of the room is german soldiers and the other side is all patience eating walloon dances across the officers table to distract them but unfortunately a second group of germans show up just behind the americans as they're coming into the room and a firefight breaks out lots of shots are getting fired griff covers walloon under a table patients are just trying to eat their food while things are exploding around them and then the army crawler guy finds a gun and shouts i am one of you i am sane i am sane as he's firing blindly around the room killing patients and germans and americans and he's just shooting everybody because he's not especially sane but i think the argument is that none of these people are really that sane because they're all shooting at each other we cut suddenly to downtime in the woods zab gets a letter from home that his mother has sold the dark deadline book to hollywood for fifteen thousand dollars and they're making a movie with humphrey bogart and edward g robinson they ask what he's gonna do with the money and he switches to an accident for one word of the entire film and he says well feist i think i'm gonna blow a thousand bucks on a squad party he asks what the craziest thing they want to do with a girl is and kaiser takes the lead here and he says i want to make a girl put her bare ass on a frozen window and then he's like why what are you gonna do with a frozen ass and he said thawed out it may take a little time and they're all just laughing hysterically at this i don't get the joke there's not a joke to it that's just what he wants to do okay he wants to [ __ ] a girl in the ass a cold ass okay it honestly feels like a line that they should have given to johnson since he has almost nothing to do in this movie besides deliver a baby and he did that suddenly they're under fire and they move quickly out of the woods they get separated and sarge calls to them one at a time and everyone answers oh except for kaiser who says i'm hit it almost doesn't sound like him and we thought at first that this might be a trap oh i definitely thought it didn't sound like him at all but sarge finds him dying next to a dead german like upside down in a tree i don't know if he like hit him with a grenade or something and he threw him up into the tree but he says did i kill the guy that killed me and then sarge says yes and he dies not sarge the other guy kaiser dies we get another quick scene with tanks bearing down on the men in snow which must be longer in the extended cut because there's nothing to it here yeah and suddenly it's supposed to be the battle of the bulge i guess right because that's not like a famous battle or anything yeah it's like skipped through this one because they talked about like the germans pushed back and it would have been in winter we're suddenly at zab's squad party spending his movie money which is cut short when orders come down that they are headed to a place called falca now these are all real missions that the director took part in even the falcao now part fuller even recorded 16 millimeter footage of the actual liberation of falca now a czechoslovakian concentration camp that was selected in 2014 for the national film registry the americans stormed the camp and after taking out all the guards the four horsemen kick open the doors to the camp and find inmates hiding in the dark griff follows one last guard further into the camp to a row of ovens and he opens the first one and finds just bones of burned prisoners and he can barely bring himself to open a second oven where he finds the german hiding and the german fires on him repeatedly but either the gun is jammed or he's out of bullets but uh in a trance griff raises his rifle and fires a shot at the soldier and just keeps firing over and over he shoots 18 times before sarge finds him and gives him another clip to keep shooting yeah even though he says i think he got him and then he fires another like four shots into the guy i mean i think sarge understands here that this is sort of therapeutic his therapy and sort of getting him over that that hope of being uh i don't know afraid to act like hey you've now seen the horror of what we're fighting against yeah it's hard to argue against when you just do this now yeah but it's also like there is no better argument for shooting a person than finding him hiding in the bones of innocent people shooting at you that he has previously just been shoveling into ovens yeah sarge finds a young boy in the camp that appears to be starving he here he's unable to convince the boy to eat so he takes the kid on a picnic i guess and the kid actually eats an apple while they're sitting there by a tree but it's a bit like the scene in groundhog day where phil connors is just dumping soup down the homeless guy's throat because it seems like they just got there too late he tries to carry the kid on his back back to the camp and he just passes away on his shoulders um probably from prolonged malnutrition and starvation and uh the voiceover says he walked around for a half an hour before he could bring himself to put the kid down he gives him a proper burial in the woods which i'm not sure if that's a proper burial i mean if you're underground but wouldn't a proper burial be like a headstone in a cemetery and yeah but well more proper than an oven yeah that's true the german from earlier reciting in german as the hunt who started the film that the war is over schroeder comes out of the woods and still not susceptible to the lion sarge knifes the guy and the boys show up to tell him that the war's been over for exactly four hours same as in the beginning and we get the same exchange with griff you didn't know it was over he didn't griff notices that the german is still alive and they rush in to save him maybe that hunt from the beginning was still alive too we'll never know nobody checked up on him and then lee marvin says you're gonna live you son of a [ __ ] you're gonna live if i have to blow your brains out and we gotta you gotta you gotta stand trial at your war criminal yeah hearing we end the film with zab voice over saying that he is dedicating this book to those who shot but didn't get shot because survival is the only glory in war which really just means i dedicate this book to myself yeah because i never got shot some people it's it's so uh off topic but i wanted to bring up a quote from the monarch from venture brothers yeah when when asked why he's always using henchman's 21 and 24 he says i know it's crazy but they have this rare blend of survivability and expendability that makes them perfect henchmen and that's how i feel about these these guys four guys they're just like well throw them at any problem for some reason they'll walk out with no scratches yeah um writer director samuel fuller he has writing credits dating back to 1934 obviously meryl's marauders he also wrote targets for peter bogdanovich that's the have you seen targets i have not i know of it yeah it's good it's got um what's his name uh frankenstein in it and uh peter boyle or no further back boris karloff there you go boris karloff as a non-frankenstein character but it's good this was the first thing he directed since a 1969 movie called shark starring burt reynolds but he after this would go on to direct white dog and a documentary called falca now the impossible about the concentration camp that he helped liberate cinematographer adam greenberg here he's been a dp since the early 60s here's a sampling of his fascinating filmography terminator once bitten iron eagle near dark three men and a baby alien nation turner and hooch ghost three men and a little lady t2 sister act toys sphere rush hour snakes on a plane so he's worked on a lot of different movies i'm gonna say i like him yeah yeah uh lee marvin was the sergeant just credited as the sergeant uh probably best known for dirty dozen or paint your wagon he's also in peach wagon yeah we're gonna paint your wagon he was also in the man who shot liberty valance from the same author as a man called horse which we reviewed earlier this year emperor of the north i got it on here gonna bring up everything i know you love emperor of the north that was uh just be clear that was a patreon episode so okay i just want to make sure people are like i didn't hear that episode if you missed that it's your own fault uh he was also in cat blue from the director of a man called horse but yes emperor of the north you said it's it's what him and ernest borgnine and it's about like depression era train yeah peppers lee marvin is is uh the best hobo he's a number one uh and is it really a full ranking system for hobos yes it's true uh how did they keep track before the internet and ernest borgnine is the most notorious bull who like you never ride his train because he's so brutal to anybody he finds and so this is like his last big hurrah is that he's going to ride this guy's train that's awesome i still need to see it mark hamill was private griff for squad uh he provides a voice in call of duty 2 big red one uh like the film the game follows the exploits of a squad from the big red one from north africa to eastern europe and he's also the voice of the joker on the animated batman series and of course he plays han solo and star trek lots of stuff he plays gandalf and star trek yeah patrick really likes angry reviews uh robert carradine was private zab for squad uh he's lewis i think louis skolnick is that the last name in revenge of the nerds it just said lewis on imdb but i'm pretty sure it's louis skelnick he's also lizzie mcguire's dad we mentioned this before because he's the youngest carradine and the long riders from earlier this year he's the brother of david and keith carradine uh and son of uh john carradine right yeah junker uh who was in the film deleted scene or something right yeah yeah bobby did chico was private vincey first class first squad sorry whatever that means jim parker in philadelphia experiment uh he was also wally stevens in 1941 yeah which is like what i recognized him from immediately yeah he he's he's his building is way down on that movie but because there's so many other famous people in it but he's essentially the main character and he has a first and last name so he's got to be important he's also in ghoulies4 which is direct to video i didn't know there was a four i didn't know those before i stopped and started with three because that's the best one is it the one with murdoch no that's the college one okay murdock is in one of the first two i want to say the second one whichever one that had murdoch on it is the best comes out of the grave as a skeleton screaming and then gets his flesh and applied to him slowly flushes up bobby dico was also most recently in a movie called an interview with god which is a faith-based film we've mentioned before on this show because it was directed by an actor we've seen this year who also appears in this movie probably not a coincidence uh kelly ward was private johnson first class first squad do i need to put the dings and the buzzes again he plays putzy in greece and he's moved largely into voice acting since then starting with some appearances on gobots and then a lot on the production side he does uh casting uh dialogue direction and a few voices here and there but he's worked mostly for disney almost exclusively disney stuff for a while now stephane audran played walloon she was babette and babette's feast she was alice senechal in discrete charm of the bourgeoisie and she just appeared in that netflix orson welles movie other side of the wind that like got re-put together and released on netflix siegfried roush played sergeant schroeder and he's also captain steiger and patton ken campbell was private lem check uh number two on the bangalore torpedo he did some gobots voices also uh like kelly ward above and he looks a lot like mark metcalf to me and it threw me off for a while because i was like what did we just see this guy in and i looked it up and it's like this and gobots and i was like i don't i don't watch gobots so i don't know perry lang was private kaiser first squad we had him as paul in the hearse and we had him has kelly in alligator also in 1941 with vinci actor bobby dico and he directed an interview with god did he really yeah oh my gosh this is an interesting film i think because it's short the pacing is actually pretty good yeah but i honestly feel like there's there's weird like just cut at the end of a scene where it's like wait there was more to cover there but i also feel like all four of these guys don't really get their own moment to shine i mean the closest thing johnson gets is delivering a baby i don't think vinci does anything i mean he steals a bunch of money from a box that he found but other than that he's just here to translate italian the only two characters that really got a lot to do were zab and griff and all zab really did was narrate yeah uh which which i could have done without like really he just wrote a book and so as you were saying griff is the only one who really kind of goes through any kind of change or has is a different person from when he started right i was wondering if they were going to try to explain away his the scars again in this one oh yeah he still has some of that the scarring from that the car accident i kind of wish it had ended differently i was kind of feeling like as we were approaching the end i figured there was going to be a call back to how we began the film but i kind of figured it was sort of going to be that passing of the torch where it happened to somebody else and lee marvin was going to be like look it happens it's okay like you didn't know and it's like and he knew and then he knew so so it was sort of like the same response that he got he was then passing on to this next generation as the words of wisdom what if what if we're instead we're like we're paying it backward and he's sitting with the guys and they all find out that the war is over and he goes off on his own to take a piss and the german guy comes to stab and he's like the war's over the war's over and the german guy stabs him and he dies in the woods yeah i'm like i feel like either way it could have had more impact than just sort of repeating the same scene again but but trying to save the soldier after the act rather than letting him die yeah but um i think it's enjoyable i think i would give this a thumbs up i give it a thumbs up which i thought was you know i was really dreading going into this because i hate watching more horror movies and i really would never do it unless i had to and i had to and i liked it i can't think of another one that's less than two hours even though real yeah i'd have to give it some thought i think even three kings is more than two hours yeah i mean i could like grasp it straws and kind of like pull up like maybe heroes of telemark or uh but that's that's a fake war movie right like is it actually a real war or does it no what about that one uh what starring eli roth in the tower that within inglorious bastards oh yeah well do they ever say the run time of that movie uh because no because here was a telemark it's a world war two movie but it's a fictional account right it's like the guns of navarone yes it's not that didn't really happen that didn't happen it's just a movie about world war ii that took place during world war two interesting and three kings is just a hair under two hours for the record is it it's a 114 minutes oh okay interesting like a bridge too far super long that was the double cassette well i also give this movie a thumbs up i wouldn't say that i'm in love with it um but it was enjoyable it had a lot of like interesting things that they brought up that i i because i want to mention forrest gump uh it's kind of being serious because like they're moving through so many different things so quickly it's like oh the battle of bulge and it's like oh yeah that's a buzz bomb it's like oh yeah okay like they're just bringing up stuff because like especially the buzz bombs like that was more towards the end of world war ii because like this was like germany was lashing out yeah you know the v1 and the v2 uh rockets were their last ditch efforts and so there's a lot of cool things that are happening in it and we've already discussed that this applause is like i don't know who this movie is about yeah and it seems like a lot of characters get like short-handed yeah really get much to do i i think it almost could have been more interesting to take this movie and have it be about the four soldiers who they met and didn't learn didn't want to learn their names have it be about them but then always have these four guys surviving in the background like they're the ones who keep surviving but the main characters keep dying yeah well they do kind of the same thing and saving private ryan and the hurt locker too yeah yeah where does this go on your list jess uh it's pretty high actually uh i never thought i'd i'd say that for a horror movie but um right now it's going oh gosh it's so it's so hard to compare some of these things like right now i'm debating how i feel about this versus blue lagoon i i am in that exact spot i was like i don't know i think i'm gonna put it above blue lagoon and below the long riders and as much as i love blue lagoon i think this was probably a better movie yeah just better film making um but yeah below below the long riders and above blue lagoon would put in 13th place for the year so far that's not bad uh richard what are we thinking um i am also putting it up off blue lagoon but my blue looking is much lower um so this is going to be between uh it's going to be below stunt man but above blue lagoon was it in 24th place okay um i'm putting it a little bit lower it's actually in 32nd place for me but it's also below the long riders um and above urban cowboy for me how's it compared to blue lagoon let's see where's blue lagoon on my list right now uh blue lagoon is 21. okay on my list i think that's about it for this one uh if you guys have any thoughts you'd like to share with us we're vintagevideopod on twitter facebook instagram and letterbox where as i've said before you can find each of our full movie rankings for the year we can also be found at vintagevideopodcast.com please consider rating us on itunes to help people find the show and if you take the time to leave us a review we will thank you personally in an upcoming episode and on that note i'd like to give a special shout out to derelict88 for your itunes review thank you so much if you're feeling especially generous you can support the show through patreon.com vintage video podcast thank you so much for listening and i hope you'll join us next time when we'll be discussing chichen chang's next movie which imdb describes like so the two stoners and their friends go through another series of crazy drug influenced misadventures we leave you now with the trailer for cheech and chong's next yeah yeah right there movie let's try mexican americans don't like to just get into gang fights they like flowers and music and white girls named baby too in the tradition of the great comedy teams war and pestilence are you ready for the end of time death and taxes responsibility is every responsibility man bad breath then body odor they walk they talk and now they make number two i got nowhere to go go see a movie or something chichen chang's next movie all right this is the tape it's the market that spits when it sings the film that never changes its underwear the film that leaves a stain on the theater screen [Music] when you go into these neighborhoods man you gotta have your stuff all together man you gotta have your attitude and your whole trip down man you know everybody throws their bad looks at you you know is it a love story okay for free then is it a thriller jacob you won't break them is it a musical for the answers to these and other fundamental questions he is that way see cheech and chong's next movie come on let's go man this looks like good fun because at a time like this what everybody really needs is a good next movie