we're on a mission from god

wendy so i got that going darling

i picked the wrong way to quit sniffing

blue light of my life

we enjoy your films

i thought they smelled bad on the

outside

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welcome to vintage video where we're

re-watching the 80s so you don't have to

we'll be reviewing every major film

release of the 1980s in real time

over analyzing what you've seen and

spoiling what you haven't i'm patrick

o'reilly i'm jesse bayless and i'm

richard wells and today marks the 40th

anniversary of the release of

honeysuckle rose on july 18

1980. it was written by john binder

carol sobieski and william d

whitlef based on the 1936 film

intermezzo

written by gustav molander and gusta

ekman

executive produced by sydney pollock

directed by

jerry shatzberg and released by warner

brothers

thank you for not laughing for

shattsberg i could hear it in your

throat

in 1936 ingrid bergman starred in inter

mezzo

a swedish drama about a concert

violinist falling in love with his

daughter's piano teacher

her performance caught the attention of

david o selznick who cast her in a

remake also called intermezzo three

years later

which would be ingrid bergman's

hollywood debut honeysuckle rose was the

second

of three collaborations between willie

nelson and sydney pollock after the

electric horseman in 79

and culminating with the songwriter in

1984

or maybe just songwriter i forget the

title now

during the making of the film they must

have had pretty good chemistry on set

because willie nelson and amy irving who

were 47 and 27 respectively

began an actual relationship despite

nelson's marriage and irving's

relationship with steven spielberg

so this is like a true to life moment

then in the middle yeah exactly

and true to life his his wife forgave

willie nelson but it did cause a rift in

the relationship between

uh amy irving and steven spielberg which

cost her the role of marion ravenwood in

raiders of the lost ark

she was literally offered the role and

then he retracted it

when he found out that she was dating

willie nelson after they made this movie

well but then they got married later

were they married when he made temple of

doom

i don't know i think they got married in

85

wasn't temple of doom 86 84. so they

separated

married 85 divorced 89. so they

separated

she lost the role of marion and then he

married someone else he married

uh kate capshaw from temple but how long

were they married for

did he capture him yeah they were still

married they're still married so

he married amy irving after he worked

with kate capshaw on temple of doom

and then and then he married the actress

that he worked with

before he married amy yeah for some

reason i thought they were married when

they made

temple of doom but i guess not speaking

of willy though right

isn't that her name in the movie yeah

yeah it is maybe he named her

afterwards this is all

it's all coming together for her

performance in this film amy irving took

home the razzie for

worst supporting actress i don't think

that's fair i don't know that's not fair

at all

willie was awarded an oscar nomination

for best original song

on the road again which was written for

this film

uh he didn't win but he got the

nomination i was pretty surprised that

that was for this film

yeah i thought it was older than this

yeah but um

this is our second consecutive movie led

by a notorious marijuana user

fun fact willie nelson's current wife is

three years younger than amy irving

oh fame one for best original song

right we knew that which song

fame right yeah it was fame we opened

the film with buck bonham hitting golf

balls

in a field outside his tour bus early in

the morning buck's manager runs out to

corral him back to the bus

and the balls keep bouncing back to his

legs while he's playing

and he's like that's incredible how are

you doing that but another member of

their crew

rooster is hitting the balls back to him

as he finds them which is confusing

because he just keeps yelling rooster

yeah out there and i was like it's a

field of cows i bet there could be a

rooster yeah there could be

how they trade that rooster to send

those balls back i thought the cow's

name was rooster

and the cow was the one kicking it back

there you go because i i expected for

the duke to be out there rooster cogburn

i thought this was gonna be the third

movie

but uh i did like when they're leaving

the field to get in the bus he's like

come on we'll come back and kill the

rest of these cows later

but then on the road kicks up as the bus

drives away down the road

slim pickens as garland is on stage

doing a basically a farewell performance

they didn't realize it at the time but

uh he's doing a song

on stage with willie nelson playing this

buck bottom character

we're intercutting their performance

with garland letting buck know that he's

retiring

he says starting out didn't have nothing

but guitar and hard

and then willie nelson says well you

still got your guitar

instead of taking the conversation

seriously he bets garland that he can

weave 10 times in a row between those

reflector bumps on the freeway i forget

what he calls them ratchets i think

but i don't i've never heard them called

that before maybe they're called that

but reluctantly garland takes him up on

the bet and loses

but in the process willie dumps

everybody out of their bunk beds in this

stretch tour bus he says i'll take the

bet but i'm out of the band

yeah they drive some more and drop

everybody off at their respective homes

by himself buck drives the tour bus back

to his house

and he pulls up to a mailbox that says

honeysuckle rose bonham

is that the only time that the title is

that's the only time i've ever

seen anything mentioned honeysuckle rose

somewhere when i was reading

like for the notes somebody said that

the name of the tour bus was honeysuckle

rose

but i don't remember anybody saying that

and it doesn't say honeysuckle rose on

the tour

his home which would make sense that

this movie is about

his home and his family i think this

movie should be called on the road

again because that's the song that

leads the movie and is in it over and

over again and it's about him being on

the road constantly

yeah but it's not called that uh he gets

his mail on the way in and his son jamie

flags him down on the road

between the mailbox and the house

because it's a long road and buck

invites him into the bus to see his

belated birthday gift

which is a horse how long has this horse

been in there

no how did he get the horse on the bus i

guess they're the emergency exit in the

basement he said it was difficult

because there's a horse loose in the

hospital

viv is ecstatic to see him and they let

the kid ride for a while bare back and

head into the house for some sexage

bareback bareback

when she unbuttons his shirt he has take

me i'm yours written on his chest and

she laughs hysterically at this

that night they are making ice cream the

old-fashioned way

and buck takes over cranking so that

jamie can play a bit of guitar for him

and buck tries to sing along to it but

when they open up the ice cream they're

they're all dipping fingers in for a

taste

and then eventually buck just smears a

handful across viv's face

and it devolves into an ice cream

exclusive food fight

that climaxes with her dumping the full

serving over their heads on the floor

which business is gross and

disappointing it's like you guys worked

really hard to make ice cream well the

kid worked mostly he was the one that

was cranking so long he was getting

tired and then you just

dumped the things of his labor all over

each other and the floor

they don't care about this making ice

cream was a pain in the ass yeah

like i think we tried it we tried it one

time in our garage with my with my dad

and then we're like yeah we're not gonna

do this again we can go to the store and

get a bucket that's like

gallon for five dollars so we're gonna

do that it's not very good

homemade ice cream maybe maybe you could

make it good but the one time we made it

it was all like

icy crystals and stuff like that like it

wasn't nice i mean you didn't crank it

right

we're gonna get a lot of angry hate mail

from the no i'm i'm homemade ice cream

enthusiasts take our reputation on this

homemade ice cream sucks

you know what if prove us wrong send us

your homemade ice cream yeah

if it's got if i find one crystal in

there you're you're not allowed to

listen anymore you gotta stop

downloading

stop all the downloading that's not a

dated reference

no not at all i don't even know that

reference we recorded this in

2006 by the way what is the reference to

it's from one of those gi joe psas no

stop all the downloading i'm a computer

at this point um my friend texted me

this is what are you doing it's like i'm

watching the movie for the podcast it's

like i was it's like

so far it's a movie without a conflict

we

get a really long way into this movie

without anything really happening

yeah uh and i was like when the kid said

he's gonna go out and chase fireflies by

himself i was like oh here it is

he's going outside by himself at night

and they're too busy flirting with each

other and something bad is gonna happen

to the kid

nope next day so i did my production

notes before

i watched the movie and in all the other

versions of this

the kid dies in an accident oh before

the end of the film what do you mean all

the other versions of it inter mezzo the

two

movies that were made before this that

this is an adaptation of

that and both of those other stories the

kid dies before the end of the film

so it's like what like why do they keep

remaking this movie

i don't know it's like hey guys i found

out this really cool american movie

called the matrix

i was thinking we could make it but

nobody goes into phones because that's

weird

it's like wait what that's that's the

whole point of the movie isn't it that

something terrible we're gonna remake

the matrix but we're gonna make it

country western

well it's kind of like uh what's that uh

the movie the vanishing it's like it's

exactly like the remake of the vanishing

where it's just like oh you took out the

part that was interesting cool

that's great is that the movie about

trees no that's happening

the the vanishing the vanishing is about

this

guy who's obsessed with finding out how

his girlfriend disappeared

uh they they pull up to like a gas

station

on a road trip and she disappears and so

he's like tracking her down and trying

to find her

and uh there's two different versions of

how it ends

and the remake is the shitty version

surprising

but it's the same director that's what's

weird

is like like i don't know if he if it

just doesn't translate or

if he they made him pander to a more of

american audience or what

well because directors never change

their mind and go back to movies that

people love and change them at all well

i don't think people would care if

george lucas

just made the movies over again and had

them to be different

the second time but changing the

original that's taboo

yeah looking at you friggin hidekiano

i don't know that reference is a new

evangelion movies

oh like they started off appointments

they started off like a retelling

of the story with better you know

effects and better animation i was like

this is amazing

and then they went really off the rails

and the story is completely wrong

anyway nice yeah but willie nelson's

like

his ponytails already like creep me out

a little bit and then when you dump ice

cream on him i was already like

i don't want to see this but then uh

they just abandoned the kid to go have

more sex while he like cleans up

and he does a that's my daddy yeah i was

like

he like even puts a fist on his hip like

that's my daddy

anyway i guess i'm gonna starve do you

think that all they were eating that

night was ice cream

yes that's all i saw later the kid runs

past them on the porch to go collect

fireflies without a jar or anything i

guess he's eating those

viv asks buck if he sleeps with other

women on the road

and when he says no she clarifies not

many or none at

all and he could easily have just said

here i said

no that means no i don't do that

but uh but instead he doesn't answer her

until

hours later she mentions that he needed

time to come up with the best way to

break into her yeah he's like

what's a good what's a good answer to

this question the answer is

no that's a good question what's the way

to say this that makes it sound like her

fault

yeah she mentions that the other night

she found one of his joints and smoked

it before bed after like three bottles

of wine

and she says i got crazy horny and i

don't know how you couldn't be cheating

on me basically

the next day they're hosting the bottom

family reunion but there's a lot of

non-family people here

i hope well there is about a thousand

people here

so this is a huge family granted it does

say like the 52nd

so i mean we got a lot of branches of

family happening that's true

uh buck notices a girl giving jamie a

quick kiss while helping him down from

his new horse

viv says that's lily garland's daughter

buck hasn't seen her in a while and he's

clearly already in love

as one of the bands playing the party

takes a break they invite buck

on stage who also invites jamie on stage

jamie starts a little slow

and buck is singing along with him at

just kind of a slower pace

but he screws up a little bit and buck

kind of makes a crack about it and then

he gets embarrassed mid song and jaime

just walks off stage

crazy for feelings uh buck doesn't

notice but lily takes over

and then when he hears her playing

guitar he's like oh [ __ ] my son got

really good oh no he's

he's gone he's not here uh and so he

leaves to follow jamie out which is nice

that

he didn't just finish the song at least

our second movie of the year where

somebody forcibly put somebody else on

stage to

to sing their first uh public appearance

there you go

he pauses for a moment though on his way

out when he hears lily taking over the

vocals as well

because he seems impressed by it outside

buck has a heart-to-heart with jamie

before the two jump in a river together

laughing

and everyone else in this scene is just

naked kids yeah i was like why is the

framing

so focused on the naked kids and not the

father and son

yeah um it's it's it's odd

that they were like well if we don't

shoot it really wide you're not going to

see the 12 naked boys over there

we got a montage of party scenes

starting with a bunch of kids chasing

and torturing an armadillo so that's fun

a flirtatious cowboy finishes a dance

with a woman

and then returns to his offended

girlfriend moments later he leaves her

again to go make out with a different

girl in the woods

the offended girlfriend heads to the bar

to find her boyfriend

and the drunk bartender says that he

doesn't know where he went and another

guy

says oh i think he went out towards the

trailers

and she says oh i guess i'll go look for

him and he said yeah maybe i'll join you

and

this other guy is a band member right so

was her boyfriend though

oh yes they're both on right right right

you're right they both are

the bartender just drunkenly collapses

behind the bar the second band member

and the angry girlfriend have sex in the

tour bus

and then we see viv on stage for a bit

singing a duet with

they weren't alone though they they were

being watched by i think some of the

earlier naked boys

oh yeah there was just no longer naked

maybe who knows no they're wearing

clothes

we see viv on stage for a bit singing a

duet with buck

it seems like it's really diane can

singing and they sound genuinely great

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together

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the angry girlfriend and the the

darker-haired member of the band return

from their indiscretions to the crowd as

they close the show with an ensemble

performance of amazing grace they're

basically just inviting everybody on

stage to sing it together

buck and viv drive home with a hand out

the window to walk their horse home

which i guess is a thing yeah i i don't

see why

someone couldn't just ride the horse

yeah one of the two of them could drive

the car

and one of them drives the horse is that

what you say

yeah drive the horse you know put the

car before the horse

no you put the car beside the horse

that's what it is that night buck is

more straightforward and answers the

question by saying no

i don't sleep with other women on the

road maybe a long time ago i used to but

not anymore and she's very relieved

because it took a lot of courage to even

ask him that he tries again to invite

her on the road

but she's not going to have this

argument with him again she doesn't want

to sleep on a bus with 14 other people

and uh presumably she would either leave

her son behind or

pull him out of school to do that if she

was gonna go on the road

i don't know i think that they should

just get another vehicle

and go then you don't have to sleep with

14 other people you guys can have your

own

little you know motor home and the kid

would be happy to be with his dad more

than

just a few days a year yeah but for some

reason that's not on the table

the next day viv and buck's manager are

trying to lock down a guest singer for

buck's next tour

because garland has obviously dropped

out of it after the first three weeks

they have a lead on an

up-and-comer named cotton roberts hold

on yeah is garland like you're saying

like he's a singer in it

like in and of his own thing yes okay

that makes more sense because i thought

he was just like it's your lead

guitarist i'm like

why is it such well he is the lead

guitarist of this band but he's also a

singer and he's saying with him on

the first song that they did in that

little hockey talk well yeah i mean i

know that he can sing but i'm just

saying like

like he has a solo career right he has a

fan base got

his own people because otherwise like

some of this movie doesn't make sense to

me as to why he's got such a big turnout

for

a celebration for him right so to fill

the gap they found a kid named cotton

roberts

but he's not available for their first

three weeks they have this gap that they

need to fill

and viv stupidly suggests garland's

daughter lily

the manager loves the idea because in

country music people love it when the

performers are replaced by relatives

that's good show business but she

immediately retracts the idea not

because buck was drooling all over her

yesterday

you think that's why the manager liked

it i figured the manager liked it

because

you know you put a hot chick on stage

and i don't think he has any idea who

she is i think he was just like that's

great show business like

there's other musicians that where their

their children have stepped up to

perform and people are like oh that's so

great it's the kids

the person who just retired i i didn't

take it that way

but viv immediately retracts the idea

not because buck was drooling all over

her yesterday but because garland

retired to be with his family

so they shouldn't be stealing her away

so soon but then buck says that's

exactly why they should use her

because this gap is garland's fault and

it's only three weeks anyway so

we might as well reach out to her he

goes to get garland's permission

and he argues you know if she were a boy

you'd let her out

but garland is old-fashioned so this

argument is irrelevant because she's not

a boy she's a girl

and he's like yeah of course i would but

i'm not gonna put my daughter on

a bus with all these creepy guys that we

know and he says well she's not a little

girl anymore

and he says that's what i mean she's i

know she's not a little girl that's why

i don't want her on a bus with all of

our band mates

garland heads to her place and she gets

them some coffee while her shirtless

boyfriend is stepping out

he's clearly uncomfortable about what

he's walked in on

but she replies daddy i'm 22 now all

grown up and haired over which is a

weird way to describe your sexual

maturity with your

uh he asks if she'd want to go on tour

and she's obviously

ecstatic at the invitation i think the

fact that the boyfriend was there was a

little bit

pushing him in the direction of like

she's an adult like

she has her own life that i'm not privy

to and if she wants to do this then she

can do it

that night buck announces that he wants

to dedicate their annual labor day

concert to garland

viv cries because she doesn't want him

to go again so soon but his bus leaves

at 10 am in the morning

he tells her he plans on taking some

time off this year and she says

just do me a favor okay don't mention

anything to jamie about taking time off

why not cause he'll believe it leaving

on the bus buck

invites viv to bring jamie to surprise

him at any show that she wants to along

the tour

a terrible idea don't tell me when

or where and i won't even be thinking

about the fact that i invited you

he promises a second time to take a

break after labor day and they're on the

road again

the band the band the song oh right yeah

uh it should have been the title the

band is dismissive and sexist to lily

they make her collect drinks for them

and they poke fun at her college

education

so as revenge she takes a security

camera on the bus and aims it at

the the worst guys cards

so that while they're playing poker

everyone can read his hand on the

television and the bus

over his shoulder the guy who plays sid

charles levin yes the manager yeah uh i

noticed that

he looks like a cross between adam

driver and andy sandberg

that's nice the rest of the guys think

that it was hilarious

that she did this it never really pays

off because the flirty guy

from the family reunion finds his wife's

bra

in the bus and asks who slept with his

wife he

asks multiple times and kudos for him

for knowing

his particularly his his own wife's bra

he probably bought it

is it his wife well not wife sorry

i keep saying that because i thought

they were married at first but it's a

girlfriend i realized on the second

viewing

a couple people fess up to it which

shows which somehow diffuses the fight

like when one guy says like oh it's me

and then other people like i did it too

and then it feels like i did it too so

it's like a i'm spartacus thing where

no now nobody's in trouble for it but we

never get a payoff of the guy's

cards being on the tv the guy the guy's

playing against that guy

got the payoff yeah lily moves to sit

with buck and

asks if he feels guilty about leaving

his family behind

and buck thinks that she's being

critical of him because he asks if she

was angry when her father went

on the road and she says that she was

only half mad because

obviously she would rather have him home

but she also wanted to be garland's

daughter like

he's a celebrity he's well known in the

in the music world and uh that was cool

we got a montage of the road mixed in

with their first show

as he performs whiskey river to a packed

house this is a much bigger venue than

the tiny bar that we started with

and we get a better feel for exactly how

big this group is

which it feels like the rest of their

lives don't match the level of celebrity

that they are

this is what i'm saying they could

totally afford the second bus or a

second

yeah motorhome for sure buck borrows a

hat from his manager to wear on stage

because he likes it and then halfway

through a song he just tosses it into

the audience and a different hat is

thrown back

which he then gives back to the manager

so on the tour bus later his manager is

trying to

do exercises from a taped exercise

routine wearing the new hat

and he stops to take a break while a

large sandwich is delivered to him

they pull up to a hotel on the bus at

another concert buck gestures for emmy

lou harris to join him on stage and the

crowd goes wild

who's this did she replace cotton has it

been three weeks already

i thought lily would have done some

singing by now someone else in the band

has

talked rooster into putting weird

leather straps on his head

and then tying them to his belt to help

with his golf swing we're just gonna

pass over emily lou harris

she sings a song that's okay well you're

saying who is this and she's she's

she's a known person i don't mean in the

real world i mean

who is she part of the movie because the

whole point was they needed someone to

fill garland's gap and it's like

isn't she a huge celebrity or is she not

is she the person they've been waiting

three weeks for did cotton fall through

i think it was just that she was there i

guess they talked her into coming

maybe it just seemed like like lily was

going to be

like front and center for these first

three weeks and she hasn't done

anything like she's just playing guitar

in the shadows and then

someone else got invited on stage we

gotta work up to it like she's

she's gotta earn her stripes i guess

someone else in the band has talked

rooster into putting weird leather

straps on his head and tying them to his

belt to help with his golf swing i guess

trying to keep his head down when he

swings yeah it just reminded me of like

the log puller from lady and the [ __ ]

he just looks like an idiot wearing it

later he injures himself with the golf

swing contraption

and buck and manager sid come to check

on him

but he says he's okie dokie earlier that

night i should mention flirting with the

girl

the manager gives the shitty hat that he

got

uh replaced to a girl to show how much

he likes her he's like oh well i like

you so much that i'm going to give you

this this is my favorite hat i've had it

all to her looking for somebody to hang

out with buck

goes knocking on doors and he knocks on

what he thought was jonas's door

because he heard a guitar inside but

this is lily's room and she invites him

in

they head out to an early breakfast like

super early it's like 4 am or something

like that she admits that

buck has sung her to sleep on records

every night since she was nine

which is already like creepy they walk

together back to the hotel they smoke

some weed and then they sex it up

yeah they they have sex in the hotel at

the next show

buck can't stop i [ __ ] lily on stage

and it's creeping everybody out

they're all like the i love this girl's

dad yeah

yeah the audience is weirded out but

also the girl on the piano was like oh i

meant us

oh yeah i'm sitting on the couch feeling

really uncomfortable but the girl on the

piano looks like she's about to throw up

the whole time she's just like

what are you doing that's your best

friend's kid

you weirdo back at home jamie is helping

viv do stomach crunches

when she gets a call about cotton being

available to join the tour soon so she

goes to coordinate that

buck and lily go on a few dates they

dump ice cream on a skating rink

they harass a retail employee and they

dip their feet in water fountains like

passing hobos

manager says cotton's ready to join soon

and buck says what do we need him for

lily's doing great

and it's like what what is she doing at

all she's just

in the background she's not i thought

you needed like an up-and-coming star

and she's not doing anything apparently

part of the deal was that

cotton actually quit his own band to

join the tour and he'll probably sue

them

if they cut him out at this point

because of the deal they've locked him

in for

sid reminds him to call viv every once

in a while because she hasn't heard from

him in a couple weeks

probably because he's been dating his

friend's kid finally lily joins him in a

duet for

till i gain control again and the next

day buck is introduced to cotton's

manager

brag statler that's a cool name

the manager is pitching a bunch of

shitty merch for them to sell on the

tour

including confederate flags tiny

confederate flags but even willie nelson

seems like

this is okay one of their audiences

earlier though had a big old confederate

flag in it

like waving that one around with you

know we love buck

you know signs are you sure it wasn't a

texas flag because there's a texas flag

behind the stage

uh no there was one in the audience i

thought it was confederate flag but

maybe my mind's

like south does do they does the texas

flag have a big

x on it no it's a star and oh no this

was a big x on it oh okay

yeah i did not catch that it's funny too

because willie nelson

played the like patriarch of the duke

family and the dukes of hazard movie

which is like one of the most famous

celebrations of

of the confederate flag though in that

version of the movie it's like

they bought the car at like a a sale or

something like that

yeah it came with the confederate flag

on the roof and they didn't know about

it until they got in traffic one day

everyone's talking about [ __ ] so they're

like trying to scrape it off while

they're driving it

what it's just flashing to the simpsons

we need to vote to get the confederate

flag out of our state flag

this is especially embarrassing since we

are a northern state

he's still pitching these flags when

cotton shows up and he's decked out in

this crazy rhinestone suit

and he has like a blonde perm and a

flowing mustache

and a big green cowboy hat and this is

one of two

fake outs that happened to me with with

looking at the cast

because i just stopped reading after

mickey rooney yeah and saw this black

and white photo on imdb

like the thumbnail photos like oh wow

mickey rooney and then when he walks in

they're not showing him from they're

only showing him from the waist

down yeah but needlessly because then

they pan up i mean i guess the punch

line is how silly he looks

yeah but it but it's like so wait

is it really mickey rooney or like

mickey rooney would be shorter anyway

yeah um this camera would be pointed

right at his face maybe the cameraman

thought it was mickey rooney too that's

why we're only seeing his torso

we're setting up it's gonna be right

here right then when i looked at

i looked at the cast again it's like oh

mickey rooney jr yeah all right

the other one was i was looking through

the castle all robert shaw

oh yeah robert shaw's but it was like a

producer or something

yeah he was like he's another actor with

like maybe like seven or eight credits

oh okay there he there was a

robert shaw in the cast yeah and i was

like oh different roberts

buck goes to check with lily she says i

understand my replacement has arrived

buck tells cotton to head out and get

the crowd started at their next show

and then when buck joins them on stage

everyone else is wearing yellow coats

the one that the poor retail worker that

they harassed at the mall was trying to

sell him earlier

i think that retail worker would have

thought that was well worth it he just

sold a dozen coats

i just i was just mad at how their whole

date was like

them screwing people over and again

we're wasting ice cream like

did the producers of this film hate ice

cream old kid like

that's what they do for fun yeah i guess

but also

what are they millennials what was what

was

the statement of wearing these yellow

coats i asked you that when we were

watching the movie i'm like i don't get

the joke

i thought the joke was that he wouldn't

have stood out as much in his dumb

rhinestone suit if everyone else was

wearing a bunch of random different

things

but because they seemed to have a

uniform and he was the one wearing this

giant green sparkling suit that he just

looked like an

idiot next to everybody else i think

he'd look like an idiot either way but i

guess it's a little bit more of an idiot

with yeah with the

other people wearing jackets but

backstage he's very upset about it and

he's yelling in buck's face

and then he turns to lily and basically

calls her a [ __ ] he says that she

wouldn't be on stage if she wasn't

sleeping with him

which isn't true because she was on

stage before she was sleeping with him

so

clearly that wasn't the only way to get

on stage willie

very nearly punches cotton but the force

of the pulled punch is still enough to

drive cotton into a full seizure

he's just like shaking his head back and

forth as he's falling

well i guess it's not a fight it's just

a punch but it's just his reaction

is is so bizarre it's like i've never

hit anybody

before i'm kind of freaked out

uh lily's not embarrassed at all about

being called out for having sex with

buck

on the spot and she's just like oh well

i'm really glad that you took care of

that

like just that's the end of the scene

like she would be crying and upset that

he had said these things in front of

everybody

and it's not the end of the scene

because they just start making out

right right away yeah and i was like

what are you doing

but then we cut back at home where viv

is handling the entire stage

construction and event planning for the

labor day show

because she's just like a boss and she

handles her [ __ ]

that night when she's putting jamie to

bed she hears

that her son is listening to buck and

lily through his radio

and uh she's like oh i didn't know they

were they were gonna be um

on the radio tonight or something like

that and then she's like all right now

give me uh what

what is his name like hard hard hat or

something like that jamie

come on get me hard hat the the turtle

because she knows that her son is trying

to sneak the turtle in bed

um so that i can sleep with the turtle

all night that's kind of gross though

it also terrifies me because turtles

like i always get weird when people have

turtles as pets and they're like oh i

don't know it's around here somewhere

and it's like

you're gonna kill that turtle like all

you have to do is

step on it and then it's dead it's not

like a dog or a cat where you step on a

pawn they freak out and run away

you just step on a turtle's head and

it's gone that's it

in all fairness if you step on a dog's

head it's probably gone

yeah but people don't step on dog heads

by accident

only on purpose for me

oh richard's laughing so hard because he

knows it's true

that's you're like that's right past

times came from poor like dog head

stepping patrick

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hit me just right yeah brag statler

calls viv and complains about what

happened between him and cotton and

further what's going on between him and

lily uh she leaves jamie at home

in bed and gets in a taxi to go to the

show

i i'm assuming she left him with someone

but yeah

she just the fireflies the fireflies

yeah she walks in from behind the stage

and sneaks up on the show

buck and lily are singing another duet

sharing a mic with their mouths nearly

touching or maybe touching

yeah they're just touching uh at the end

of the song why would you sing that

close to the mikey

i think it's worse now because we're on

quarantine but

even uh even at the time it was gross i

don't know that whole relationship would

have creeped me out quarantine or not

yeah

then they kiss at the end of the song

which like the audience knows who you

are

and that you're married you're married

yeah uh but uh they kiss and then viv

just walks up on stage and breaks it up

and takes the microphone and says

hey this is the daughter of our really

good friend garland

and she's also the guitar teacher of our

10 year old son jamie

we've known her since she was a little

girl in pigtails oh i see she's got her

pigtails on tonight isn't that cute

but then she ends the the speech with

and tonight i'd like to announce our

divorce and then she walks off stage

that night lily admits how embarrassed

she is by all this finally

buck is surprised because he's not

embarrassed at all

and he plans to take some time alone to

recuperate

on the bus he jokes that they probably

won't be welcome at garland's concert

and they all say [ __ ] off we're going

anyway you're a jerk

later lily even admits how shitty all

this is and

they really shouldn't be together but

everyone but buck goes back to the show

to celebrate garland for labor day buck

goes to a shack in mexico because he's a

selfish [ __ ]

he briefly considers being a human being

and apologizing to his wife

but instead he just hangs up on her at

three o'clock in the morning

lily apologizes to her father and he

appreciates that she had the guts to

come home at all

and uh he can't stay mad at her for more

than a minute and quickly accepts the

apology

and then garland of all people is the

one who has to go get a cab

and some tequila and head to san

ventoria jimenez

and collect buck because he's a jerk

but on the way he gets really drunk and

when he gets there he just pulls a gun

on buck

to force him to have this conversation

with him buck thinks that he's bluffing

until he starts firing the gun so i

guess this is back in the days

when you could just take a gun into

mexico

like just did he fly there did he drive

there

i'm pretty sure you can still just just

take a gun into mexico

but it's getting the gun back out that's

the thing yeah yeah

or maybe i don't need it back here but

yeah uh buck calls his bluff until he

starts firing the gun

garland chases buck through the tour bus

and fires a few shots while he's inside

it

uh they wrestle for a moment over the

gun in the sand which goes off

but it's a fake out here because we

think that garland's accidentally shot

buck

and it turns out he only tore a hole in

his shirt with the bullet

garland talks to buck and he says look

i'm gonna take you back to the show

and uh they put the bus on a ferry to

get it back to town

lily meets with viv at her home and

apologizes for what happened

and it seems like viv kind of accepts

the apology because she knows that it

was

buck's fault that it happened in the

first place

buck and garland take turns drunk

driving to get back to

texas but buck is actually trying to

avoid texas

so they take a full speed u-turn buck

says he'll find new folks to sing all

those old songs to

and garland says it sure is a shame you

can't write some new songs to sing to

them old folks

the labor day concert is underway

without the man that it's dedicated to

because he was the only one with big

enough balls to collect buck

he and garland have stopped at a diner

and take a seat near two cops

still blind drunk and the cop turns to

them and says i hope neither of you is

driving and then they both point to each

other and say

yes suddenly a cop is driving the bus

with the other cop as an escort and the

boys are just drinking in the back of it

yeah i feel like this needed at least

one more beat

or two yeah like one one or two more

to like lead us a little bit more on the

fake out or at least some sort of reveal

to be like they were huge fans yeah

you should have just been like hey you

ever heard on the road again

and then they're like yeah i love that

song and then just cut to them driving

the bus or something like that i think

it would have been a funnier reveal too

to see the bus

with the police car chasing it and then

have the camera come around to see that

there's also a police car in front yeah

yeah yeah yeah

because it's like oh you think they just

booked it

that would be great yeah that would be

something fun oh my gosh that would have

been a moment

at the concert viv is brought on stage

and mentions that garland is not around

and that buck won't be either it seems

like she's

it's a the concert is for people there

but there's also being aired live on

it's being broadcast on the radio she

tries to offer a refund to the concert

goers

but another band member interrupts her

on their behalf to say

no no they just want to hear you singing

they don't care about garland or buck or

any of these famous country singers

she gets through the first verse of

there must be two sides to every story

before buck and garland arrive and buck

surprises her by being on stage

playing guitar for the song the radio

audience is missing out on the surprise

though

yeah she doesn't seem very amused by it

either

and but then over the course of several

songs she just wordlessly forgives buck

and

takes him back and they're kissing and

happy at the end well i think

what the implication was is that what he

is singing

is a new song that he wrote for her and

it was sort of an apology

so he wrote it like while drunk driving

back

i believe so yeah i think that's what

the implication here is and the whole

band was like

i know this one goes he's sung it before

interesting anyway that's the end of the

movie uh this relationship will not last

the buck and viv situation it's it's

doomed

our director here was jerry shatzberg he

directed panic and needle park

and scarecrow one of the writers carol

sobieski wrote annie

the toy and fried green tomatoes there's

some big those are some big ones

yeah another writer uh william d

whitliff wrote lonesome dove

legends of the fall and the perfect

storm three more big ones

and the third writer john binder wrote

uforea

in 1985. it's like combines ufo and

euphoria euphoria i got it uh willie

nelson was buck bonham

he's also in the electric horseman and

songwriter

which are with cindy pollock he produced

songwriter

executive produced this and directed

electric horseman i think

willie nelson also played a historian

smoker

in half baked so he was in half baked

with someone from our last movie

uh tommy chong he also plays uncle duke

in the dukes of hazzard

diane cannon plays viv bonham here she

was alice in

bob and carol and ted and alice she was

myra bruhl in death trap

and she's julia farnsworth in heaven can

wait one of the heaven can weights

amy irving was lily ramsay she played

sue snell and carrie before this

and she'll be back later this year as

heidi jones schoonover in the

competition

slim pickens was garland ramsey favorite

is dr strangelove we've covered him in

tom horne and ballad of cable hogue

earlier this year and that's where my

brain

short-circuited and i'm like how do you

get so fat between cable hog in this

movie and then patrick reminded me that

that was 10 years ago

yeah though we reviewed it this year uh

mickey rooney jr

played cotton roberts obviously he's

mickey rooney's kid

and he shows up again in the songwriter

the third of the

willie nelson sydney pollock

collaborations lane smith was

bragg cotton's manager he's walter

warner in

son-in-law he's the dad and son-in-law

he's a prosecuting attorney in my cousin

vinnie

he plays mayor bates in red dawn but i

always think of him as perry white yeah

adventures of lois and clark

yeah that's immediately where i went to

yeah pepe cerna

was rooster he plays scruffy in

silverado he plays angel and scarface

he plays reno nevada in buckaroo bonsai

and then lastly priscilla pointer played

rosella ramsey

she's the actual mother of amy irving in

addition to playing her mother in this

film she plays her mother a few times

including in carrie and the competition

later this year

and she priscilla pointer was also dr

elizabeth sims

in nightmare on elm street 3. i think

taking out the kid dying

was a mistake because something else

should have happened it shouldn't have

just been a

one time i cheated on my wife as a

country singer and that's the whole

movie well we were a good two-thirds of

the way through the movie before

any anything happened which i would

consider like an inciting incident of

any sort

you know all this movie was relying on

was the good music

yeah which was which and the music was

great the music was great but it's

it's a thin thing to ride three-quarter

or two-thirds of your movie on

yeah you know and and then you just have

a little bit of story at the end

yeah i think it needed more actual drama

well and i think that it you know it

would have

represented like what he had been

missing out on

in in terms of not being with his family

it's like look you had a chance to be

with your son and you weren't when he

was here and now he's gone

i also think that they don't do a very

good job of

making me care about buck

because he just does mean things and he

doesn't

he doesn't seem to feel bad about them

and i don't know if that's just

necessarily like maybe willie nelson's

range

like they specifically didn't write any

big scenes for him to like

you know display any emotion but the

entire movie he's in the same mode

whether he's doing something terrible

apologizing to his wife

or just having a good time with people

he's just making jokes and

being a cool guy and not taking anything

seriously the entire time

so you never like he doesn't even

pretend to be drunk when he's at that

shack in mexico like

he does he doesn't there's no acting

yeah from him

and i feel like either he's an actor

and he deserves to be the main character

of this movie or he's not and he should

be a background character and you make

slim picking's the main character of

this movie yes i felt like he had so

much more to do in this movie and he's

only in like

a third of it yeah and actually i i feel

like this is the first movie where

i i felt slim picking's like dramatic

chops because

everything i've seen him in before this

he's like comic relief basically

but here you get a lot more like

character building from him than you do

for

willie nelson i don't know anything

about buck bond in this movie

i know i know like physical like he's a

country singer

and he goes on the road and cheats on

his wife but i don't know any of his

likes and dislikes i don't know what his

dreams are for the future i don't know

how he became famous

yeah and i know nothing about this

character and why

why some other person would quit their

band just to be

a second banana in his band yeah like

what is his big draw is he

is he like some johnny cash like big

big name in this fictional universe they

don't they don't establish it very well

for us to understand like what level

they're performing on

because at the beginning they make it

sound like they're struggling to get by

and they haven't made it basically you

see them in a small bar with a small

audience and they're driving a

crappy looking bus yeah but then

the second show that they have looks

like what i imagine an actual willie

nelson show goes looks like

where there's you know 10 000 people in

the audience

so it's just it's uh it's weird i feel

like there's there's definite flaws

and as a result i don't care about the

characters i'm supposed to

and i and i don't think amy irving did a

bad enough job to warrant a razzy

no like not even just a nomination but

the win that's weird

yeah but she also has almost nothing to

do in this movie

like the only real scene that she has

where she

gets to do anything is with her father

when she's asking for the apology

yeah and i think that they could have

actually made more of the scene where

she went back to viv to talk about the

apology like that scene ended was really

abruptly and

that's true there should be more there

you guys should have a connection moment

or you should

have a conversation an explanation

instead of saying

i came to apologize or i i should

apologize

actually apologize don't just say you

should yeah she's like

i just came to say i'm sorry and she's

like thank you

and then she leaves and that's the end

of it and also why is the kid there

watching this conversation between

yeah i mean they obviously don't care

about this kid because they just

go chase fireflies go go clean up this

ice cream while we go jump off a cliff

so i can [ __ ] your mom

sorry ice cream hair clean up this mess

but yeah

i don't think there's a lot more to say

about this one just up or down

uh i'm i'm gonna give it a down i don't

i don't know that anybody

should waste their time unless they're a

huge willie nelson fan i'm i'm also

saying down i

loved the music and but it's a concert

film

i if you if you want to cut out all the

the relationship with amy irving

then just make a concert film and have

it be that yeah but

just listen to the album yeah there's

this there's no point to this movie yeah

the movie is not necessary

uh i agree uh it's a down for me as well

yeah

where's this going on your list richard

um this is pretty low

um i'm actually putting this below

hollywood nights

which is above how to beat the high cost

of living

okay that puts it about i think 57.

yeah i'm going to put it pretty low i'm

going to put it below the children and

above

happy hooker goes hollywood okay

it's pretty low on mine too i'm putting

it right under roadie

but above fatso which is actually 67th

for me of 83 so far this year

so not great i think that's about

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and become involved in a kidnapping by a

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