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wendy so i got that going darling

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[Music]

welcome to vintage video where we're

re-watching the 80s so you don't have to

we'll be reviewing every major film

release of the 1980s in real time

over analyzing what you've seen and

spoiling what you haven't i'm patrick

o'reilly i'm jesse bayless and i'm

richard wells and today marks the 40th

anniversary of the release of dress to

kill

on july 25th 1980 it was written and

directed by brian de palma and released

by filmway's pictures

whenever i think of this movie i'm

reminded of the story that john landis

shared with us at the new beverly

where this was right at the end of

hitchcock's life

he was complaining that all the trailers

for this movie said hitchcockian across

them

he had his own like screening room on

the universal lot and john landis would

just hang out with him and watch movies

every week

so john landis and him were having lunch

and he was like why did they keep

calling this movie hitchcock and i had

nothing to do with it

and he's like no no it's an homage you

should be flattered like they're trying

and he said this is before i met brian

de palma or i wouldn't have been

defending him

but and then he went on to say uh

hitchcock looked at me and without any

like hesitation he just said

you mean fromage that was the end of the

conversation about it

but uh i think he passed away before

this movie was officially released i

don't know if he got a chance to see it

this movie does kind of remind me of

frenzy

yeah it has a lot of different uh

hitchcock stuff in it hitchcockian is a

totally

acceptable phrase for sure for sure it

has a style of hitching

especially with the memory thought

bubbles

[Laughter]

when that happened oh we'll get to it

because i was so excited

yeah and there there's so much of like

even just the general structure of it

that

calls to mind psycho specifically in the

late 1970s brian de palma wrote a

screenplay based on gerald walker's

article cruising

obviously he was unable to secure the

rights to that article as william

friedkin adapted

it into a film earlier this year instead

dipalma reworked the screenplay into a

new story

including elements from his own life

experiences for example having been

asked by his mother to set up cameras to

catch his father cheating

and a lot of other hitchcock homages

well that actually kind of makes sense

in terms of home movies yes

that's exactly what that movie was about

but the result of all that together was

dress to kill

originally titled straight razor which i

think i actually

might prefer yeah i think dress to kill

is too much of a spoiler

yeah yeah this was not brian de palma's

first directing credit for 1980 if

you'll recall the experimental student

film

home movies which evidently screened

somewhere

which also starred nancy allen de

palma's wife at the time

and keith gordon both in very similar

roles as a promiscuous young woman and a

nerdy virgin kid setting up cameras to

catch people in the act

de palma wrote the role of liz blake

specifically for nancy allen

but an original producer tried to pitch

suzanne summers for the role

oh god no yeah i don't think that would

have worked no i think nancy ellen did a

great job

she's fine i think she does an okay job

yeah she's fine

i i think that there's a larger problem

yeah

that isn't her fault yes evidently de

palma had wanted liv

allman for the angie dickinson role as

kate miller

but she was uncomfortable with the

film's graphic violence many critics

wondered why dickinson's performance was

overlooked at the oscars

but nancy allen on the other hand was

nominated for a golden raspberry for her

performance

i don't think it's but also a golden

globe well a golden glove for best

newcomer yeah yeah it's weird that she

would get both of those for the same

performance yeah

although i have to say this is the first

time where i'm not going to tell

the razzies that they got it totally

wrong it's a nomination it's not a win

i guess and there's parts of it that

really don't fit the movie the

performance that she's doing

but i think she was fine you'll have to

point those out okay

i will uh the role of dr robert elliott

was initially offered to sean connery

who was keen to play the part but

contractually obligated elsewhere

the two would later work together on the

untouchables diploma had to argue a lot

with the mpaa to bring the rating down

from an x to an

r and eventually he did so by removing

shots from the shower and elevator

scenes

and taking out a bit of the dialogue

between liz blake and dr elliott in the

climactic confrontation scene i have a

hard time imagining sean connery in this

role

i don't i feel like i want to see

connery and drag desperately

i would totally go for that i'm just

saying that i have a heart

he seems so overtly masculine

in so many of his movies i have a hard

time seeing him being okay

with this role maybe but maybe that's

the challenge

if yeah if he's any kind of a real actor

he would want to embrace a challenge

and i know that michael caine is that

kind of actor yes i do think it's

interesting though that

it wasn't like he passed on it or that

they said no to him it was just a

situation where the schedule didn't work

out

sure um we start the film with a credit

for samuel z arkhoff presents

this is a producer who was listed on

imdb as uncredited but

here he is with the credit at the start

of the film i recognized the name from

our very recent review of the earthling

which he also produced and he also

produced earlier this year how to beat

the high cost of living

the first shot of the film is slowly

pushing through a door frame

out of a bedroom into the attached bath

where a man is shaving in the foreground

while behind him angie dickinson as kate

miller is showering

the original draft of this scene there

was no woman in the bathroom and the man

was seen shaving in the shower and

eventually

cutting off his own penis that was the

intro to the film

well this scene has just as much to do

with the rest of the movie as that scene

would yeah i guess

i think that scene has more to do with

well it depends that's true

if that scene was meant to be a

like fantasy scene i think both of the

scenes

i think they were both intended to lead

to her waking up which is interesting

well why would it be her dream because

that seems more like it would be

uh our psychiatrist's dream i agree

but i don't think it was um i don't i

don't get the purpose of this

opening sequence at all or how it plays

in i think you just wanted to book in

the movie that way

well i saw it as just introducing her

as sexually frustrated yeah we

in closer on kate watching the man shave

as

she massages her nipples and begins

masturbating in the shower

uh her body and the scene is actually

being played by 1977 penthouse pet of

the year

victoria lynn johnson who gave dickinson

full permission to claim the body was

hers

which she was not interested in doing

victoria even bleached her pubic hair to

match dickinson's hair color

suddenly kate is grabbed from behind by

another man hiding in the steam of the

shower stall

and she cries for help from the shaving

man

across the foggy glass but he's not

reacting much to what's going on here

and the man in the shower has his way

with her

kate wakes up from this dream mid sex

with her husband just before he finishes

and leaves for work

most of the descriptions of this scene

that i found called this a rape

fantasy that she's having although it

seems more like she's just terrified

in the dream to me but but that's part

of the fantasy i guess

kate goes to check on her son peter

whose room is crowded with circuitry and

blinking lights

she reminds him that they were going to

go to the museum today and to have lunch

with grandma

but he has to finish this computer in

time for the city science

championships which we will not hear

about again for the rest of the film

she's very proud of what he's built here

and lets him out of the agreement

but makes him promise that he's not

going to stay up all night working on it

she also tells him that he has to name

this thing and makes up a story about

napoleon inventing the napoleon pastry

you know the french pastry was named

after napoleon

napoleon invented pastries thought he

was a general well you can't fight

battles all the time

he baked as a kind of relaxation she

leaves but reminds him to please not

stay up all night

she asks what this thing is anyway and

he calls it a peter

grandmom's gonna be very disappointed

but

it's all right i'll explain you're

working on your peter

a cab pulls up outside dr elliott's

psychiatric office

and kate miller rings the bell dr

elliott mentions that

he's having to be his own receptionist

since mary is on vacation which in

retrospect is hopefully true

he tells kate to have a seat and she

begins the session with complains about

her mother

and how she'll ruin her birthday they

circle around for a while

until they land on her marriage and her

complaints about her husband mike

and what he did this morning it's kind

of my hope that

that his secretary is on vacation not

not so much on vacation but she's

actually

working for bobby oh okay

[Laughter]

she has to pull double duty here that

would be funny but it'd be okay as long

as she's getting two paychecks that's

right

yeah or what if he the next day she

comes back and she's like

oh it's dr elliot here and and it's just

him in like a redhead wig he's like oh

no he's out of the office but i'm just

trying to catch up on some paperwork

like he's married also spoiler alert uh

a line of questioning from kate gets

problematic when she moves from do you

find me attractive to

would you want to sleep with me and

finally why don't you

elliot catches eyes with his reflection

in a mirror across the room before

stating very plainly that he's married

and he doesn't want to risk his marriage

on this but is he married

i don't know we don't know i don't think

we ever find out i don't what if he's

married to his work

huh i don't know kate heads to the

museum alone

and sits on a bench opposite alex katz's

west

interior a large painting of a rather

bored looking woman the artist's wife

ada

she takes out a planner and looks around

at the other museum patrons

a flirty couple a man starting a

conversation with a woman by herself

then she turns to a second painting tom

pelmore's reclining nude

of an enormous gorilla laying across a

rug

she turns to a family trying to locate

themselves on a museum map when their

daughter sneaks away mischievously

in her planner she scribbles nuts under

the already written eggnog

on thanksgiving day november 27th 1980.

apparently this whole scene initially

had voice over from angie dickinson

but it was stripped out in favor of

almost nine minutes of complete silence

yeah it was like

the scene i i had it timed out at eight

minutes but yeah

yeah it just i said almost nine minutes

all right that's true eight is almost

nine

eight is enough regardless it's a really

long scene without

speaking yeah but i think it's on

purpose it's for them

well it definitely is on purpose i just

it's it's

on accident there's no sound of this

scene he notices at the premiere

i i think it's it's interesting to spend

so much setup

on a character that doesn't matter well

not that

not that she doesn't matter yeah but i

thought you were talking about the guy

not her but i guess someone who i would

argue is the main character who doesn't

get introduced until

after act one yeah right the family

notices that their daughter has snuck

away

and leaves to find her when kate

scribbles pick up turkey across the top

of

what might have looked like the same

page of her planner because all the

other notes we could see for

thanksgiving

eggnog dinner at four o'clock nuts have

been copied over

to the thursday two weeks earlier

november

13th i'm assuming what happened is she

just

messed up on the thanksgiving day page

and so they copied all the notes over to

a different week of the same month and

thought i wouldn't notice

patrick got way too into the details

yeah

uh so assuming she actually meant to

pick up the turkey on thanksgiving and

not two weeks earlier

then according to her planner today is

november 25th

1980. well i mean do you if they're

frozen

it's frozen it could take a couple weeks

to thaw out if it's a real first you

need at least a couple days to thaw

out yeah i mean if she's picking up a

frozen turkey she could just keep it in

her freezer until

it's possible i just assumed that pickup

turkey

and eggnog and nuts meant that it was

all for

a meal that day but then we see

that two days earlier on the 25th

we have a note for take the ferry

lunch with grandma visit dr elliott so

i think all of this is completely

irrelevant it's very important to the

plot

that this is not something it doesn't

matter what day it is

remember at the beginning of the

changeling when it tells you the exact

day of the year

you're like hmm no to that for no reason

suddenly a man in sunglasses takes a

seat next to her

and she pumps her planner back into her

purse she tries to get the man's

attention for a moment

before removing a glove and flashing her

wedding ring

which i think that would be what you

don't want to do it seems like a very

deliberate gesture but when

the man leaves immediately she looks at

her ring as though she didn't realize

the message she was sending

which to be fair is one of two messages

either hey i'm married back off or

hey i'm married not looking for anything

serious like we could go have sex and

there's not gonna be strings attached

she stands to follow him and drops that

glove on the ground

apparently for these tracking shots she

was literally holding a string connected

to the camera

so that she would stay the proper

distance for the lens to stay in focus

but as she's pursuing this man she

actually walks past him by mistake

which we see behind her because we're

looking at her as she's coming around

the corner

when she turns back to retrace her steps

she notices him

and now he follows her and then right

when she gives up

walking away from him she turns to look

at him and he ducks through a doorway

out of view so she's lost him again

this cat and mouse game goes on forever

it does

i kind of like this shot like though i

like this whole sequence

i think it needed i think it needed a

little something i don't know if it's a

little tighter editing

um or maybe a little more energetic

camera movements or something but i

i i think it's interesting and also like

are they hinting that she has some kind

of like memory problems

because she seems to be forgetting an

awful lot of stuff yeah

but then remembering them yeah vividly

she has a photographic memory but it

takes a while to reboot it

they have to develop it takes a while

yeah the man that snuck away retrieves

her glove from the floor

and then surprises her with it with a

sudden grasp on the shoulder

yeah he puts it on yeah and grabs her

and she turns around like all offended

that he grabbed her but

looks at the hand that grabbed her and

just starts to walk directly away from

him

as he's like mutedly gesturing an

apology yeah not saying like

i have your glove i was trying to give

it back he just like waves his arms

around like he's saying something but

he's not

she goes to consult a museum map on her

way out

before noticing that she is one glove

short

and she heads back to the bench where

she realizes that he was wearing the

glove when he tapped on her shoulder

which is indicated with

a literal split screen composite shot of

him grabbing her shoulder again and her

looking back over and she's like

you know face palms that was my glove

yeah and she's very embarrassed by how

she reacted to that so she tries to find

the man again and she does and this time

she's following him faster but he seems

to be running away

every time he gets around the corner but

not without discarding her other glove

first before that

well not yet not yet oh she doesn't no

uh she loses him here in the museum

and eventually she goes to leave inside

the museum where in philadelphia

all the exteriors are the museum in new

york but they couldn't get the rights to

shoot inside

but outside the museum she tosses her

second glove on the ground because she's

like well i don't need this one anymore

because

i lost the other one the gloves are off

yeah it's an expensive pair of gloves

though they're isotoners

and she lost one and so she throws the

other one away

i'm sorry you googled what kind of

gloves these were that was on the imdb

trivia okay

the same kind of glove that uh oj but

yeah outside the museum she tosses her

second glove on the ground

and then she notices the guy in the cab

with her other glove hanging out the

window like waving to her with it

infuriatingly she leaves the second

glove on the ground as she moves to

apologize to the man

but somebody picks it up yeah we get a

very quick shot of

someone collecting the glove off the

ground there's a lot of these weird

split shots in this movie

yeah and and i don't think it's split

diopter

some of them are so well but not this

one no this one's not this was like like

two

completely different camera setups yeah

but as she gets close to the car

sunglasses guy just pulls her completely

into the cab for a deep kiss

and they are very quickly making out

hard and then suddenly they're having

sex in the back

which i feel like as a taxi driver i

would be less cool with

than this guy is so they signed the taxi

cab confessions forms before they got in

the cab

i yeah sunglasses pulls her

down across the seat of the cab and

slips her panties off

and the cab continues to a hotel where

kate is like

frantically checking the faces of

everyone nearby to make sure she's not

getting caught with this mystery man

is that what she's doing that's what i

thought i i was like i

i had no it's like why is she taking

note of the moving van

yeah i think she's just like none of

these people know me right like these

no one's gonna say they saw me go to

this hotel the camera tilts up

the building from the hotel entrance as

we're fading tonight or maybe early

morning

it's hard to tell because the next shot

is of two clocks

which do not read the same time

one is for some reason a big digital

clock with like visible circuitry

that resembles the peter machine which

in military time reads

1847 or 6 47 pm

and the second presumably more reliable

time is on her gold watch which says

it's about a quarter after seven

unclear am or pm i would guess

a.m i thought it was p.m

it seems dark for seven pm well but if

it's close to thanksgiving

i don't know i just assumed it was pm

like uh-oh

they're gonna notice that i'm late then

they're only about a half hour different

but still

they're different times well the husband

was still up yeah so

it has to be it has to be night or day

and he's up again he was like but he's

like

up on the couch like like like where

dads are at seven o'clock in the morning

sometimes

it was the evening okay on second

thought maybe the point of the weird

digital clock was to remind her to get

home to peter

uh she dresses very quickly and tries to

call home but when her husband answers

she can't be bothered to speak i guess

she was hoping for peter to answer

or i don't know i don't know what the

point is well

to me the point of this was he

didn't seem to notice or care that she

was gone yeah like

i think she was hoping he would say

something like he would sound worried

kate is is that you like you know uh but

it's just like who is this like i'm busy

kind of like almost kind of toned he

might as well just answer

like who is this do you want to have sex

or ghostbusters what do you want

that'd be really weird if you said that

the movie wasn't even out yet

she seems confused about where her

panties went before recalling them being

taken off in the cab with another split

screen

i was so excited wait when she taps

starts looking

around for her panties i was like i was

in my room

yeah with myself i was like please give

us another thought bubble please

i called it too when we were watching it

i haven't seen this movie in a while but

i was just like

oh we're gonna see another composite

shot where we're gonna see the panties

at the floor

i was i thought it was so strange like

she's feeling around

yeah on her on her side am i wearing

them are they in my right leg i thought

she was looking for something like oh

where's my

keys like what did i do with my well

she wouldn't say phone but what did i do

with my watch i don't know

she'd be looking for something but no

she's rubbing her legs like

where are my underwear like if you don't

have to rub your legs to know you're not

wearing underwear

but uh but yeah so so far she's lost one

glove

and another glove in her underwear and

she heads back to the bedroom

where she sees some of her jewelry and

she pops on

she already put the watch back on but

here she pops on a couple gold bracelets

directly toward camera and then she

moves to a desk in the living room to

leave a note for warren lockman

whose name and membership in the wall

street athletic club she finds in the

desk

looking for a pen she writes a couple

drafts of a thank you note settling on i

loved our afternoon

and then notices a department of health

paperwork

dated 11 17 so this must be the 25th

informing mr lockman that he is riddled

with venereal diseases

specifically syphilis and gonorrhea and

that he should do his best to contact

all 12 women he has slept with in the

past

two weeks according to this paperwork uh

it does seem weird to throw an

exclamation mark at the end of venereal

diseases like a surprise

yeah they might as well have had ed

mcmahon on the envelope you may have

already won

gonorrhea this score is almost comically

melodramatic for this reveal

and kate rushes for the elevators on

this floor as if to outrun the stds

uh we see a woman staring through a

small window in the door to the

stairwell behind her

and the camera pushes past her to check

that out

slowly the door opens and we see a tall

woman and a blonde wig with sunglasses

peeking through

kate pushes the button for the lobby in

the elevator before realizing that she

left her wedding ring on the nightstand

or the weird

clock thing she hits the button for the

seventh floor again

forgetting how elevators work and that

it needs to go to the bottom first

a mother and daughter get on the

elevator and the girl stares her down

like she knows

everything they leave the elevator and

it returns to the seventh floor but as

the doors open kate is confronted by the

tall woman in a blonde wig with a

straight razor

the figure slashes the razor across

kate's hand as she raises it to defend

herself

before the attacker moves into the

elevator with her and the doors close

on another floor liz blake discusses

stock tips with a man

we cut back to the elevator where the

killer is just hacking away at kate

throwing blood all over the elevator

buttons and floor indicators

i don't know how the killer could have

expected her

to be back at seven yeah that's weird

like what time is she leaving

and also after she's left and gone

all the way down to the first floor and

presumably left the building

no no she's gonna come back because of

course she forgot her wedding ring

yeah it is weird uh unless this was a

random thing but it doesn't feel random

it doesn't feel random but if the

attacker was also

waiting to use the elevator it was just

probably really convenient

but the attacker only has to go down

seven floors

so the attacker presumably if she had

not come back up would have taken the

elevator down and pursued her

out of the building yes okay maybe i'll

buy it

the attacker makes the attacker makes

another incision

across her cheekbone and jugular with

the razor before kate finally collapses

when the elevator doors open the stock

expert notices the body first and runs

for the stairwell

but liz screams in place when she

notices the bloodied victim

she reaches in to help her up but then

notices in one of those bubble mirrors

in the elevator

that someone is hiding behind the door

with a razor swinging it down toward the

fingers that she has in the elevator

but when the killer notices that she can

see the killer

this person drops the straight razor and

liz

snatches it out of the elevator before

the door is closed to prevent

the attacker from using it any further

on kate

i guess or just because she saw it and

then at this moment a woman who's easily

like 50 feet away just starts

screaming all she can see is her

standing there with a bloody razor

and she already knows this is a murderer

who just killed a woman

yeah she's a maid and she just ducks

into one of the rooms and slams the door

screaming

uh liz runs downstairs to get the police

and as she does she passes the elevator

on the bottom floor with

the now dead woman's arm preventing the

door from closing

back at dr elliott's office he's

listening to voicemails

and he skips a few before he gets to one

from bobby who speaks in a very breathy

sensual

you voice see me anymore so i'm gonna

have a little session with your machine

oh doctor i'm so unhappy

i'm a girl inside this man's body

and you're not helping me to get out

so i got a new shrink levy's his name

and he's gonna sign the papers so i can

get my operation

oh i borrowed your razor

and well

you'll read all about it some blonde

[ __ ] saw me but i'll get her

she is a transgendered former patient

seeking psychiatric approval for male to

female sex change

she also mentions having borrowed the

straight razor that dr

elliot for whatever reason has decided

to keep in a cabinet in his office

i guess he might occasionally need to

shave there

i guess that's only his office it also

seems like an apartment i don't know

i i also feel like the razor itself was

going to come into play

um since it has been collected now yeah

like it's like oh does it have like a

monogram or something on it

that can be traced to him but it doesn't

really it doesn't and nothing

like because of how this movie unfolds

it makes sense now

but at the time kept saying did they

know it's his razor

this has got to come come together at

some point yeah

well i have a question about bobby's

voice but maybe we cover it later

yes we do well yeah i i have the same

because i feel like it's cheating

william finley is doing the voice of

bobby for these phone calls

who's william finley he's a de palma

regular he has 14 credits in diploma

movies

okay including the phantom of the

paradise he was the phantom

oh yeah okay he's also one of the

scientists from simon

yes i was going to say we had them

earlier this year yeah but i don't

understand why they would do that

to avoid giving anything away i get that

but have your actor make up a new voice

that's true

i don't it just seems like you

are ruining it by not having

well there's there's another complaint

that could be made uh to the same effect

because the person playing the killer in

every scene so far has not been

the actual killer but uh never show the

killer long enough for you to be able to

really tell them yeah

dr elliott checks the drawer to confirm

that it's missing while listening to the

message still

bobby claims to have killed a woman and

plans on killing another

who witnessed the attack and then the

last message

on the machine is from detective

mourinho from the nypd

informing him of the death of his

patient kate miller and he's backing

away from the message in shock

when he collides with a mirror and is

startled by his own reflection

at the police station liz blake is

flipping through a stack of photographs

trying to identify the killer

dr elliot arrives and is directed to sit

next to peter and wait

yeah and also the maid is there to

positively identify

liz liz as a woman she saw with a razor

by a closed elevator door

who called the police though for this

attack yeah dr elliott asks if he can

help peter at all and peter says

do you know who the killer is we know

from the last scene that he is aware

that his former patient bobby is the

killer yeah so he's either lying here to

protect the patient or he doesn't

believe the patient

elliot offers peter a business card as

he is called into questioning

with the detective i don't think that's

fair though what

uh to say that he's either lying or

to protect the patient or he doesn't

believe the patient

because i think that he doesn't

necessarily

have hard evidence to say that these two

things

are in fact one of the same and due to

doctor patient privilege he shouldn't

really reveal the things that have been

said

unless he knew for sure yeah um i would

argue

my counter argument would be that they

have the murder weapon

which is his razor which is missing and

a message from someone saying that they

took it

but they don't know that that is his

razor that is missing right but if

he asked to see it he could identify it

he could he could identify it without

breaching confidentiality

he could say yes that's my razor and it

was in my office and it was taken

yes and then he could say these are my

patients but i don't think he should say

hey my patient said explicitly that they

did this

i feel like that is one of the things

though that you're allowed to report is

when a patient commits a crime yeah

admits to a murder specifically

then that that's not protected by doctor

patient confidentiality

it's not like attorney-client privilege

i don't think

um but i could be wrong on that if any

of our listeners want to correct me

i mean i feel like we we can't i have

things to say that that are going to get

into spoilers

but you might also be subconsciously

protecting for sure like so well

his explanation later is the second half

of that okay which is that he doesn't

believe her and he wants to

speak with her face to face to confirm

that the this confession is true

yeah so he's given the business card to

peter and he moves into the detective's

office

uh while he's in there peter is fishing

a microphone and earpiece out of his

pockets

to like connect to the wall so he can

listen to this whole conversation

right away peter is hearing the

detective speak very bluntly about his

mother's murder

the detective tells elliot that liz

blake saw the killer

and then peter looks across at her so

he's he's

now learning who these other people

around him are he sees this woman in

front of him

she was the witness to the killer we get

maybe our first

of many split diopter shots to see the

detective and doctor in clear focus

behind peter

to match with the clarity of the audio

he's hearing

the detective asked the doctor why kate

came to speak with him

and he needlessly divulges that she was

having marital troubles

before climbing up remembering that he

isn't supposed to share this kind of

information about a patient

peter doesn't seem surprised to hear

this though the detective gets angry

about being locked out and he says

we got a brutally murdered woman here

who passed the point of being

embarrassed by anything you might tell

me

but he knows the limits of his power as

an interrogator and will learn that he

likes to test people on whether they

know their own rights or not

as a way of making his job easier the

doctor rolls over and gives the

detective what he wants he says kate was

not suicidal

because the cop assumes that she must

have been asking to be slashed to death

in this elevator

there's no way that she just wanted to

have sex with someone

he tells the doctor basically everything

that happened that day and peter has to

listen to this [ __ ]

he asks if kate might have bumped into a

weirdo at dr elliott's office

coincidentally in the shot of kate at

his office for the first time she does

cross paths with a very tall woman and

sunglasses at the door leaving as she

enters

but that doesn't really play a part

later the doctor's response to this is

the term we use detective mourinho is

not weirdo

but a person suffering from emotional

dysfunction and a problem of maladaption

and they never come to my office so i

guess he doesn't handle patients that he

deems

especially disturbed which is why he

dumped bobby as a

client i don't know about that i don't

it didn't really

make sense to me when he said that line

i'm like what do you mean they never

come to your office

like i can handle disturbed people but

not insane people

i just send them away yeah i just it

doesn't make any sense to me though

because like at what point did you

decide that

and then you just don't let them come

back to your office yeah and what what

is your standard for

acceptably in need of psychiatric advice

and how is he a practicing therapist

yeah that's my big question over all of

this

is how is he licensed to operate

it seems weird the detective asks point

blank if he's protecting a patient and

he says no

the detective agrees to get a warrant

for elliot's appointment book when he

won't hand it over

and back at his office elliott leaves

messages for bobby saying

that he's desperate to speak with her

the detective

interrogates liz blake who seems to be

pretending she isn't a prostitute

momentarily then he pulls out her

official file and starts reading all the

charges that she's faced and she lights

up a cigarette because the

the innocence has evaporated he wants to

know who the john was and she tells him

to [ __ ] off

he tells her that she's basically their

only suspect

and this is when she finally admits that

she is a prostitute but she doesn't have

a lot of information about the guy

he tells her it would be smart to get

this john to the police station to

verify

that he saw what she says because

otherwise she doesn't have

any defense and anyone to vouch for what

she's saying

he tells her not to think about leaving

town because he'll be keeping an eye on

her

she doesn't have any luck reaching her

yeah she her customer service department

yeah

she is the customer service department

she phones them up

she tries to pretend like oh yeah no we

just had a good time i just wanted to

see if you had a number for him that i

could reach him at

and they're like no he actually called

back and said he witnessed a murder

and that he'd rather not we give your

information out

peter heads to the doctor's office and

starts timing people as they exit

from leaving the door to when they reach

the gate at the edge of the porch

we get another split diopter shot here

of the stopwatch and the exiting

patients

he underlines the fastest time on the

notepad at home

peter draws up a schematic making use of

a camera and the entrance to the

doctor's office

and we cut to a woman on the sidewalk

looking up at the second story windows

of a building right as they're coming on

peter changed up a bike outside the

doctor's office

and arranges a camera inside the back of

the bike like there's a box on the back

of the bike with the camera hidden

inside of it

and a little lens hole where it can take

pictures through

totally inconspicuous yes

uh he frames the it's like the giant hat

from the simpsons

you can't tell there's a camera in there

he frames the porch of the office and

starts the camera

with a timer taking a picture every four

seconds we get

another split diopter shot of the lens

of this hidden camera box on the right

and he's walking away on the left

and then we get a very long split screen

take of two scenes

something diploma is known for

specifically with a long split screen

scene in phantom of the paradise

which was in turn a reference to a long

single take from orson welles touch of

evil

in this split screen we have dr elliot

on the right

or is he on the left no dr elliot is on

the left i think

yes and nancy is on the right

liz sorry the actress is nancy someone

is watching her through

the windows to her apartment dr elliott

is listening to a voicemail from bobby

again

on about her plans to kill liz

and on the other side liz is calling her

stockbroker to order the stock that that

john recommended before they stumbled

upon a murdered

person yeah liz gets a second call from

her boss

and asks for a paid advance to cover the

cost of this stock purchase

pretending that it's for her mother's

surgery or something on the other side

dr

elliot's voicemail ends and he watches

an episode

of phil donahue interviewing a

transsexual woman

it is a real episode that they were

using archival footage from

when liz finishes her calls she tunes

into the same interview and they're

watching them in sync with each other

the woman being interviewed explains

that it's not uncommon for

male to female transsexuals to have very

macho and masculine jobs before

transitioning

i did like the joke at the end though

where donahue tries to say

now but before this uh you you did have

heterosexual relationships

and then she says oh more than that i've

always been a devout heterosexual

liz heads to the hotel to meet her new

customer a man from cleveland who is

ecstatic to learn that she is his escort

later that night in binocular pov we see

her leaving the hotel

when she notices her stalker and quickly

recognizes that she's being followed

she bribes her cab driver to race and

lose their tail

with an extra bonus payment for blowing

red lights

and the cabbie seems really excited to

blow the red light but

he still doesn't lose the car that's

following them

when liz rises in the back seat from

this dramatic turn

she does a cartoony jaw adjustment that

really bothered me like she's like

oh man it was wrong one one like

shot short of going audi audio yeah it

was like might as well have been a

pigeon triple take

well this isn't a bond film yeah um

she asked the cab driver to let her out

as she's exiting the car they make a

date for later

without exchanging any information

that's the best part she's like i'll

call you

bye um what's your number 1-800 taxi

right

when he sees the stalker following her

down the sidewalk though he

intentionally opens the cab to

try and knock her over and successfully

does uh liz comes face to face with the

killer just outside

the subway and races underground in her

efforts to escape this pursuer she

accidentally

crowds a group of young african-american

men who are curious what she's doing so

far down the platform

but i think more so she was seeking

shelter

with by trying to stand close to them

yeah maybe yeah she definitely was but

she was staying a little

too close to them yeah too close for

their comfort they're suddenly

threatening to kill and rape her for

encroaching on their territory

and she scrambles for the train to tell

a police officer about the gang

following her

but he does not believe a word and he

like leans out of the subway

and looks at just a bunch of pillars

where you can't even see the people

so see there's nothing out there and

it's like you don't you didn't notice

the thing in the way

also the train doors just opened people

got on

the train yeah but they exchanged angry

glances for the whole duration of this

ride

and then as soon as he steps off the

train she inexplicably doesn't follow

him

and the men chasing her immediately

return she moves from subway car to

subway car to get away from them until

she crashes headlong into the killer who

takes a straight razor and swings it

down at her

until suddenly peter is there with a

with a homemade mace

which he sprays in the face of the

killer and then the killer runs

screaming out of the subway

i like that he makes this homemade mace

only in the sense that like

pretty much any aerosol can be it

hairspray

or spray paint anything it would all

cause 10 seconds of blindness anything

is gonna blind your assailant yeah back

at liz's apartment he explains that he

followed the killer from dr elliott's

office peter suggests breaking into the

office

to find his appointment book and whoever

his last appointment of the day was

because he didn't see anyone else come

out of the office after this person

liz argues to let the police handle it

even though they've done nothing but

call her a liar murderer [ __ ] this

whole time

liz tells mourinho everything that

happened the next day and

as usual he suggests that she's just

bs'ing him

she tells mourinho that the killer is

for sure one of elia's clients

and he tells her well i can't get a

warrant for that appointment book

so you do it because evidence collected

illegally is for some reason more

admissible if a civilian steals it

yeah it's still definitely not a chain

of evidence it's not you can't use this

elliott meets up with dr levy this is

bobby's new psychiatrist and who seems

very confused

or suspicious i mean he he seems to

catch on pretty quick what's happening

yeah but he does it first be like what

oh okay

this is who i'm talking to but elliott

warns uh levy

that he should not approve bobby's sex

change operation

elliot tells levy that his razor was

stolen and that bobby threatened him and

is likely the killer that

levy should have heard about on the news

because that was a killing that happened

with a

with a straight razor meanwhile lovely

is wondering

if i should allow this man yeah to

continue to

operate as a licensed doctor yeah

uh levy keeps trying to get elliott to

come to the police station with him

so that they can discuss it with the

police but uh elliott insists that he

has to leave because he really has some

stuff he's got to do at his office peter

watches all the footage of patients

leaving elliot's office

to find a picture of the killer to try

and identify this person

but they never really find one they they

pause on something but they can't see a

face

yeah and this is where i was starting to

piece it all together yeah because i had

not seen this movie

and i was just like wait a minute how is

bobby

leaving his office if he has an

appointment with bobby

but isn't able to get bobby on the phone

yeah

and i was like oh god here we go

uh liz books a late night appointment

with dr elliott

apparently he just had some time in his

schedule that was open and that worked

out

she tells him about a nightmare she's

been having where a large man says he

needs her help

and she believes him but then he takes

out a straight razor

and tells her what he's going to do and

how much she's going to like it and then

the dream guy basically just rapes her

she pauses embarrassed for a moment at

the window looking across the street at

peter with binoculars across the way and

she talks about how

all the dirty stuff she does as a hooker

and that

sometimes she does things for free for

mature doctorly types

what sort of men turn you on

a mature doctorly type

and he gives her the same speech that he

gave to kate that he's married and he

wouldn't have sex

even though he's he is attracted to her

he admits that he's sexually attracted

to her

he wouldn't act on it because he cares

too much about his marriage and then she

starts undressing she asks if she can

take her coat off and when she does

she's not wearing much underneath and

asks if she can take the rest off

because she's in need of sexual

assistance she says she's gonna go

powder her nose

and she'll be right back and she wants

to find his clothes on the floor with

hers

she closes the door and finds his

appointment book

and tears out the contact info for the

last appointment of the day

doesn't notice that it's her name no

that would be funny though um

the previous day i'm the killer oh my

god now i remember

that's a twist and uh she returns three

yeah uh she returns to his office with

the contact card tucked into her

underwear

and the lights are off in the room where

elliott was but

with occasional lightning strikes we can

see the killer hiding behind her in the

office

peter is noticing this too from across

the street and moves in closer to

investigate

when he's suddenly attacked from behind

even as we see the killer moving around

in elliot's office

liz can't find elliot in the dark and

assumes he's being shy again

until she hears peter banging

frantically at the window telling her to

look behind her

elliott as bobby now swings the razor

blade all the way to liz's hand

before the woman outside with peter can

get a shot off

which hits elliot i can't tell where

like the neck

uh where where is not life-threatening

yeah apparently but she knocks him to

the ground with this gunshot

but he successfully sliced open liz's

hand with the razor blade

and we cut to an exposition fest at the

police station oh my goodness i felt

like it was the end of a murder she

wrote

yeah we learned that half of the tall

blonde women

stalking liz for this entire movie have

been detective loose

whom mourinho instructed to keep an eye

on her so she wouldn't leave town

for example the woman who gets knocked

to the ground by the cab driver

was not the killer that was this

detective yeah um

i don't know how you can tell which who

is who in which scene

the only reason you know there is

because she gets knocked to the ground

as uh liz is running away and then when

she gets to the tr

the subway station the killer is already

in there yeah ahead of her but but also

that this pursuer had a driver right and

it was not like a taxi agent i was like

it was like wait the killer has an

accomplice who's got a

a driver who drives them around to

murders

and also when we get that long split

screen scene where there's

the woman is watching her apartment

while she's talking to her stock broker

the woman watching the apartment is the

detective not the killer because

obviously

the split screens are happening at the

same time right and

right they were in their killer would be

on the other side to throw you off

yeah you didn't realize that it could

possibly be the same person

because you would think every time i see

someone in a trench coat with a blonde

wig and sunglasses

i know that's the killer and it's like

nope it just so happens that that's how

another person dresses in this movie

and it turns out mourinho is actually

like a really good guy

he's like this is one of our best police

persons like yeah like he's like very

like trying to not talk down to her

right and he's also he explains like

every time she thought she was in danger

that she was actually being very closely

guarded

and that everything would have been okay

and i guess that's proven by what

happened here

at the office she asks now what's gonna

happen

we also get a weird uh a moment with dr

levy who i'm not even sure why he's here

in the police station but he explains to

all of them

that bobby and elliot were essentially

split personalities of a transsexual

person

and that the point of the sex change was

to be

to to resolve the conflict within this

person yeah

um but that maybe one of the

personalities

wanted the change more than the other

one did or maybe

dr elliot thought that it would be

killing him to

become bobby completely i don't know for

some reason he's

dead set against this transition from

happening so i think

this is one of my biggest gripes about

the movie and i realized that it's 1980

and

we probably didn't progress very far in

terms of

sure lgbt plus you know terminology

and general public understanding even

psychiatrists

were not you know as enlightened as we

potentially are today

but it bothers me that they're putting

all this emphasis

on this concept of elliott being

uh like a transsexual when really it

seems like a split personality yeah it's

obviously

like a a dissociative identity

disorder like it's a multiple

personality situation and it has nothing

to do

with being a transsexual like it's not

it's not the one personality

is a transsexual it's just he has two

personalities and one of them

isn't his assigned gender right

yeah it is uh it is weird that they're

that they're conflating those two yeah

and like i said i mean it's 1980 we

probably weren't super enlightened on

the differences between these things at

the time but

i think they should have emphasized the

multiple personalities

and not this concept of transgender but

they they do go a long way to try and

explain on a clinical level what

transsexuals are

yeah but that's not what it is yeah it

doesn't relate to the plot necessarily

but i think that was in a way their

their

defensive way of being like well look

we're not trying to say like all

transsexuals are like this look there's

one on tv with phil donahue and that one

seems completely normal

but now we're story about one yeah and

now we're going to go into graphic

detail about how

yeah how one goes through the uh

reassignment surgery in the interview

with the person with phil donahue that

they said

that they had heterosexual relationships

because that is

not the case in terms of this killer

this killer hates himself for

that in fact that same feeling right

well i think that guest don phil donahue

was in two marriages that were like

out of obligation to someone of the

opposite gender before their transition

and so that's why when phil donahue says

oh you were you had two

heterosexual relationships before you

transitioned and then

the person said well i always had

heterosexual relationships

but now i'm actually in a relationship

with the gender that i'm attracted to

which was not the case before my

transition okay i i guess i don't know

if i'm just reading it differently but i

just

it just seemed weird to me because the

way i read it

it's the opposite of what they're saying

was happening here because he was mad at

himself

for being attracted to an to an opposite

or

rather same-sex gender depending on

which personality you're looking at

right yeah

but when liz asks what's gonna happen to

elliot everyone is like

silent in the room and there's like an

awkward moment where nobody wants to

answer i thought they were going to say

he escaped

right i was like did he get away that's

exactly what i thought too

i i was like why is everyone so like

upset

i thought it was more like he was going

to die or that he already died

um but no for no reason they're just not

saying oh he's a bellevue

but in fact there was no real resolution

um we cut to peter and liz splitting a

meal at a restaurant called the windows

to the world which was actually in one

of the twin towers

which is another duplication to go with

the film's theme

she's explaining to peter what

transsexuals are and

in very graphic detail how sex change

operations work

to the disgust of an older woman in the

background which is a really fun moment

where you just see this lady like

why are you talking about chopping a

penis in half this is

this is uncomfortable peter says that

it's giving him an idea for a science

experiment

and he says instead of building a

computer i could build a woman

out of me he's like okay i get it

he's excited about it it sounds like

elliot has been committed to bellevue

and assuming they can help him

with whatever issues he's trying to work

through then he will

officially face charges for the crimes

that he committed at which point she

would be

brought in as a witness right but for me

anything

after the conversation of what's going

to happen to elliot is forfeit

because apparently she can have

visions of other people doing other

things what do you mean

well we'll get to it right now okay liz

admits that she won't feel safe without

peter around and he invites her to stay

at their home

because his stepfather has gone on

business so we cut

to the lone nurse at an asylum with with

a thousand patients

and very bizarre lighting there's just

sort of lights

propped up all over the place just very

lights it's very gilliam-esque

yes there was also some dutch angles

happening in the scene that i think that

emphasized the bizarreness of it all she

she helps tuck elliott in for the night

when he suddenly sits up and chokes her

to death

there's no other doctors here to stop it

and all the patients just giggle as they

watch it happen

and then elliot strips the nurse and

dresses in her uniform and shoes

we cut to a pov outside peter's home

as peter works on a computer in his room

and liz begins undressing for a shower

the person in the pov breaks a window to

enter the house

and from inside the bathroom we see

bobby brought the lights from the asylum

to set up in the yard and point them

into the house

she slowly opens the door to the

bathroom but liz hears the slippers

sneaking into the room

and she turns off the water and slowly

opens the shower stall

when she sees the legs and the slippers

of the killer

just around the door to the bathroom she

reaches around for something to use as a

weapon to defend herself

but none of it helps very much and she

keeps her eyes on the toes of these

slippers

while she's checking the medicine

cabinet for another straight razor but

we get

another angle from outside the room and

see that the slippers are empty

and the killer is actually right behind

her she quickly slashes her neck open

with the razor and then we get a shot of

liz waking up

startled in the same bed that kate

miller woke up in to start the film

and peter arrives to comfort her when

she freaks out and they hug

and she cries yeah so if she can drew

so i'm assuming everything that happened

in the hospital was a dream right yes

and so it's like well then what's real

like if she's dreaming this if she can

dream like about other people doing

other things

like i start to quit that i hate endings

like this because then it causes me to

question things that happen

i don't no i don't in this case at all

it's just the weird-looking

blue lit funky hospital scene that's a

dream

and her in the shower that's a dream

yeah i'm confused what part of it

bothers you

well because why wouldn't the scene at

the restaurant be

a dream because it wasn't weird yeah

what would be

what's what was dreamlike about that

scene nothing but there was nothing

dream-like about her in the shower

either

well there was yes there was yeah it was

a nightmare she was getting attacked by

the person

no but but okay so you you agree that

the asylum

was dream like yes the asylum lighting

is outside her window in the shower

scene

so i first like that was an indication

to me that i was just like okay that's

weird that's got like the asylum

lighting outside her window that's

bizarre

but nothing inside the apartment was

like that right but

she's watching a killer sneak up on her

that's that's nightmarish isn't it

yes but she i don't know it just it just

it just really bothers me yeah i can't

it seems like you're

you're mad that the dream wasn't

entirely in her pov correct

okay i i don't think that dreams have to

be do you

only dream in your in your own pov

um i wouldn't know if i wasn't how well

if i'm seeing it have you ever seen

someone sneak up on yourself where you

weren't expecting it

no okay well then the answer is yes i

dream in pov exclusively

yeah i i can see that that's a that

would be a legitimate complaint for

a nightmare to be shot that way but i

don't think it breaks any sort of

film rules about nightmare scenes

there's plenty of nightmare scenes where

stuff is happening that's not a pov shot

and i don't know that you don't know

that it's a pov shot of her in the

hospital

because like in a nightmare you put

yourself in really weird places

seeing things that you wouldn't normally

see we also don't know like maybe this

is a

sixth sense situation and she that

wasn't a dream

and she got her neck slashed and she

went to the hospital and recovered for

months

and waking up in the bedroom remembering

it what no no

and he was like no no you're safe now

remember we shot him again

he's back in the hospital i mean shot

him again he escaped but

he's he was in the hospital the director

here was brian de palma

he is the director of body double

untouchables

scarface mission impossible phantom of

the paradise carry blowout the sequel to

mission impossible mission to mars

bonfire of the vanities uh and he also

directed home movies earlier

i forgot that he directed mission to

mars i did too until i found it on his

imdb page oh my god that that is such a

weird movie

it is i mean it's just it was his

attempt at a kubrick thing

and it doesn't really work no it doesn't

work the one thing i did like was the

whole

like accidental terraformation of the

planet

oh that's red planet oh is that red

flame that's right okay then i hate

mission on mars yeah mission to mars is

terrible

is mission to mars the one where they go

underground and talk to the aliens yeah

okay yeah that's stupid and it's the one

they get

they get around having to show a

futuristic car by saying i can't believe

you still drive this internal combustion

car

at that point i just wanted to take a

gun it's like

it was like a product placement car from

that year it's like i can't believe

you're still driving around this

1997 toyota maverick it wasn't that

egregious

but it was still like just really

frustrating for this movie about

spaceships yeah um michael caine was dr

robert elliott

he was alfie and alfie he's also alfie

in the

nolan batman trilogy if you know him

well enough

uh most people call him alfred he's in

two movies

that have footage reused in macgyver

episodes funeral in berlin

which was reused for the coffin jet ski

opening give it and the italian job

which

was reused for a bunch of season one

episode three thief of budapest we all

know this

uh he plays the captain in beyond the

poseidon adventure we just had him in

the island he was fantastic

he's hoagy and jaws 4 scrooge in the

muppet christmas carol

angie dickinson was kate miller here she

won a golden globe for her performance

as

feathers in rio bravo she was a wilma

mcclatchy

and big bad mama and big bad mama too

and she won a saturn award for her

performance here

at the time of filming she was married

to bert bacharach

nancy allen was liz blake she's anne

lewis in the robocop movies

all three of them there's only three i

think there's more

but she's only in three i think well i

mean if you count the the newer one

there's more

right but i don't uh she's also in

carrie home movies this and blowout

for her husband at the time director

brian de palma and her first

film appearance was in the last detail

which is a fun movie yeah keith gordon

is peter miller he was doug

in jaws 2 not jaws 4.

he was arnie cunningham and christine

he's jason mellon in back to school

and he has since moved behind the camera

as a prolific director of high quality

television

including house the killing dexter

leftovers better call saul

a bunch of the new fargo series and he

just recently worked on a show called

dispatches from elsewhere that looks

pretty cool ever seen anything

it looks good dennis franz was detective

mourinho

we'll have him again later this year as

spike in popeye

he worked with de palma again for

blowout next year

and an uncredited voice in scarface and

also body double

he's best known for his cop roles in

this and

hill street blues nypd blue die hard 2

he's basically the non-fatherly version

of reginald val johnson

including the die hard performance i i

also love that

uh in die hard 2 i can't remember

can't remember he says it's his brother

or his cousin but it's

played by robert costanzo oh really it

was just like oh my god if anyone was

going to be dennis franz's

relation it's going to be robert

costanza yeah that works david margulies

was dr

levy we had him earlier this year as a

cop and hide in plain sight

when james khan was trying to file a

missing persons report for his kids

and he's probably best known as the

mayor of new york city and prospective

governor of new york state in

ghostbusters and ghostbusters 2.

ken baker played warren lockman kenny

baker when i saw the name in the opening

credits i expected him to be much

shorter

but he's ken baker not kenny baker so

he's not the same person who plays r2d2

susanna clem is betty loose she played

the killer in most of the film except

for

the last scene in dr elliott's office

brandon magert

was cleveland sam he'll be back as harry

stadling and christmas evil later this

year

william finley was bobby the voice on

the phone

that's one of the scientists from simon

the phantom

and william finley will be back for fun

house next year

erica katz plays girl in elevator that's

the girl who gives

kate miller the stink eye when she's

like i know that you screwed a guy

she plays i could smell the gonorrhea

uh she plays jan montelli in amityville

2.

cynthia's friend in big and lately she

has appeared regularly as a parenting

expert on fox and friends

yeah so can we talk about the fact that

they didn't have

michael caine do the voice and body

double

for the killer like why would you not

because

he has a very distinctive voice and a

very distinctive shape then he needs to

alter that in those scenes he needs to

he needs to put on a

feminine voice and he needs to you know

do some fancy makeup

i i think it's fine i think it's just

a cheat and i think it's it was on

purpose that it was just like

oh well you can't say that you knew for

a fact it wasn't him

so it's fine for me to use other people

for this character

up until i reveal who it is yeah

i don't know there's a lot of things

that i like about this movie i

i remembered liking it a lot

yeah so we saw it a long time ago i mean

it's probably been

10 years since we've seen it last and i

remember really liking it but i think

that this is the kind of movie that

you like it more the first time you've

seen it yeah the second time

when you when you know what's coming

you're less impressed with the turn

yes for sure uh well speaking as a first

timer

uh i still wasn't impressed yeah i think

i think

um a lot of the time depalma's stuff is

it feels sloppy to me um i i think that

he's trying to make it feel raw

and he's trying to make it feel like

erratic

a lot of the time but sometimes it just

comes off as like

you know they were sitting in the

editing room and they were like that's

fine and they just moved on to the next

scene

and it was like i could use some

polishing i don't know there's there's

just bits and pieces that jump out where

i'm like

it just it just feels like the edit is a

little weird there's pacing issues i

think

sure up or down jess i'm still actually

going to give it enough

i think it's something people should see

even if it's not something people should

re-see

yeah i think that's fair i'll give it an

up too and i'll say if you haven't seen

it see it and if you've seen it don't

see it

i'm gonna give it a down i do applaud

that it tried

maybe tried to bring some stuff about uh

transgender and tried to bring some of

that into the limelight

but i feel it did it in the same way

that cruising tried to do it

which is ill-informed yeah yeah and

i'll give you that and i i agree though

with your criticism that this

this was a uh dissociated identity

disorder

movie masquerading as a

transsexual killer movie and it

it shouldn't have used it as just window

dressing it should have been

if you're going to make a movie about

transsexuals make it have anything to do

with the person's transsexuality

well and they didn't really dive in to

either or any of that like it was just

sort of this bit that was slapped on the

end and so i feel like if that's really

what you want to explore

then explore it but they didn't they

just sort of said yep that's what it is

yeah do we know where this is going on

our lists yet um i'm actually going to

put this just below cruising

and just above windows so it passes the

windows threshold and

so all of the uh all the offensive

sexuality movies are in a row there

yeah right where they belong

uh so that puts it at number 52. okay

uh jess what do you got all right i'm

gonna put it

above urban cowboy and below

saturn three okay so it's it's

pretty smack dab in the middle there um

i'm actually putting it pretty high on

my list

um for me it's going just above

humanoids from the deep

and just below caligula because i

actually enjoy the performances but

i i do feel like uh nancy ellen is

being very corny the whole time but i

can't tell if it's on purpose or not i

can't tell

if she's kind of a joke because just her

delivery of some of the lines like

because i'm a hooker and i've done

most of the bad things you just read

about

i like to turn men on

i must do a pretty good job because they

pay me a lot and it just feels like

she's playing a character from a 30s

movie

but that's also in the scene when she's

trying to

distract him right but he's not lying

yeah that's true it's just weird that

she's like

like oh i'm gonna pretend i'm a

prostitute it's like you are a

prostitute

just say [ __ ] acting is acting like

you're not acting

can i revise my placement yes i just

want to bump it up just a little bit not

much

like a few slots because i realized that

i had fame and oginski above it which is

just not accurate

so it's gonna go above niginsky and

below

uh what is that noah's ark one the last

flight of noah's ark yeah

yeah all right that's fair i i think

for me had this movie focused

on uh liz blake's character a little

earlier on

because we're following this woman

around and i get it we're we're getting

like an idea of her life but her

life doesn't play much into why she's

been killed right um and like

if if if her bad marriage or her

son's computer or or something of of

that nature was playing in

to her it seems like the only reason she

was killed was because she tried to come

on to

dr elliott to me that's the only reason

that she was killed

had she not done that had she not asked

to sleep with him

and he made that little aside to his

mirror to like check with himself like

yeah it's time to kill her um he's just

like are you hard i'm hard

yeah we're the same person right

i feel that that's the the only real

thing that happened and

that makes all the other scenes of her

before that really not

as important well that's where you get

into the hitchcock comparisons obviously

with

janet lee right like you think you're

following one person

and then they're killed by this

cross-dressing character

right because both of the films think oh

cross-dressing is a sign of psychopathy

and it's like no it's not

you didn't have to do that you didn't

have to do it again uh

and then this time in the story of the

the boy whose mom

died he's not like trying to take her

place he's trying to avenge her

so suddenly the the mom and the son are

the good guys instead of being the crazy

people like in psycho

but and they do a similar thing

in death proof where you you think that

it's a movie about this group of people

and then they're all dead

suddenly like at the end of the first

act and you're like oh

i guess we'll start over with someone

else now it's like you're watching two

different movies really

but i guess that's part of the whole

duality of the whole movie there

everything's being split up into two

parts i think that's everything for this

one

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