we're on a mission from god

wendy so i got that going darling

i picked the wrong way to quit sniffing

blue light of my life

we enjoy your films

i thought they smelled bad on the

outside

[Music]

welcome to vintage video where we're

re-watching the 80s so you don't have to

we'll be reviewing every major film

release of the 1980s in real time

over analyzing what you've seen and

spoiling what you haven't i'm patrick

o'reilly i'm jesse bayless and i'm

richard wells and today marks the 40th

anniversary of the release of willie and

phil

on august 15 1980. it was written and

directed by paul mazurski

though largely based on henri pierre

roches

1953 novel jules and jim adapted by

francois truffaut

into a 1962 film of the same name and

released by 20th century fox

the the truffaut film or this film this

film was released by 20th century fox

the other one was released by

uh mcfranceland

20th century france that's not a company

the parts of willy and phil were

originally written for woody allen and

al pacino

okay jesse was upset at how similar this

movie was to heartbeat

which is funny because not only did ray

sharky fill here

play ira in that movie the annoying

third guy that was writing with them

yeah but john heard jack kerouac from

that film was originally cast as willie

really yeah oh my god did he drop out

when he realized that he was already in

that movie

probably but some trivia says he was

fired

but uh i had read dropped out but they

had started production he had shot

scenes for the movie before he was

dropped

oh my god but but heartbeat came out

first so i presumed

that it was shot first which means he

already knew

he was in this exact same movie yeah

well and i

i i came out with the small circle of

friends too

yes which to me was already the same as

heartbeat though

yeah exactly like both these movies just

blend together to the point where

when they're telling their vietnam how

they got out of vietnam stories is like

did that happen in heartbeat or in small

circle of friends because i really can't

remember yeah or willie and phil

or william phil they're all through the

same they're i mean they're

two guys in a girl love triangles that

are period pieces because they have to

be because you have to show how the

relationship evolved over the course of

a decade

but yeah it's very similar to two movies

that we've already covered

margot kidder and john hurd met while

auditioning for this film

and the two were very quickly married

and also quickly divorced

while kidder was overseas shooting

superman 2. they had separated six days

after their wedding

we opened the film on an art house

theater with audio from francois

truffaut's

jewels and gym playing i noticed in the

opening credits that lawrence fishburn

is credited as lawrence fishburne iii

i feel like i've never noticed that

before sometimes i see him credited as

larry fishburn

i think he gets that in apocalypse now

which was the year before this

the audience applauds as they rise from

their seats when the film ends

and the narrator tells us exactly what

we're already watching happen

willie and phil met quite accidentally

coming out of an art house in greenwich

village and

phil brags to willie that he just broke

up with a beautiful girl and demands

that will he ask

why i find the narration in this film

incredibly obnoxious

yes yeah because they are telling you a

exactly what you're seeing but you it's

it's completely unnecessary like at no

point do we find out anything

about these characters through narration

that we don't that we that they couldn't

have shown

yeah i think an interesting experiment

would be pat

for you to just splice together all the

narrations

into your so that would just be the

review of the movie yeah exactly it's

just

here here's everything that happened in

the movie i'll tell you right here of

the narrator

and who who is the narrator because it's

not one of the characters

not any of the characters in the movie

the writer director of the film well

i i looked for it at the end of the

movie trying to

figure out who it was because the

narrator refers to all of the characters

in the movie by their name so

unless they were speaking in third

person it's none of them and

there is no credit at the end for the

narrator so i'm like who the hell is

this

i wonder if tarantino was intentionally

referencing this voiceover

in the hateful eight yeah when he cuts

in during the montage of them cleaning

the cabin he's like

then they cleaned the cabin and that's

the end of it it's like why did you say

that oh yeah yeah

he i i hate that narration so much

and i think it's just because he's not

in the movie yeah and so he needed a

reason to get himself into it

in some way well heartbeat does the

narration too

but at least it's in the voice of

kerouac right right

so no it's not character or no sorry

it's the other character yeah it's um

what's her name loretta lynn no it is

it is an alliterative name though [ __ ]

spacek

no kathleen kennedy what

what is the other guy's name in that

movie it's jack kerouac and

leonardo no that's a circle

leonardo da vinci

yeah so carolyn cassidy okay which is

why i said kathleen kennedy

there's something in that neighborhood i

know it's not catherine kennedy kathy

kennedy is the person who's

been stabbing star wars to death for a

decade now

carolyn cassidy's the one who did it

because it's based on a book that she

wrote

oh right right right right which is why

it ends with

oh yeah compromises are like general

appointments

what the hell um but yeah it i

i don't like voiceover and even when it

seems like it's almost a joke that he's

not telling you anything that you're not

seeing

but it's like it's not a funny enough

joke to warrant it being in the movie

just take it out

and it'll be fine but maybe it's just a

reference to

the way in french new wave films you

have a narrator i mean i think that is

definitely what it was so i started to

watch

jules and jim jules jules and jim

but because you're only forcing me to

watch every movie that came out from

1980

onward i stopped yes i was not into it

i think the it's i'm such a heathen the

only true foe film i've seen is close

encounters of the third kind there you

go

which he appears in phil brags to willy

that he just broke up with a beautiful

girl

and demands that willie ask why when he

does reluctantly

phil says because she wanted to get

married and then they shake hands

the two of them talk as they walk off

into the night and the narration reminds

us

that they are good friends with a

similar sense of humor who both happened

to hate the extremely unpopular vietnam

war

and enjoy francois truffaut works willie

and phil became great friends

they shared a sense of humor they hated

the war in vietnam

and they loved truffaut and vietnam

plays

no part nope the war nothing

nothing comes from this other than their

stories of how they got out of the draft

yeah willie was a teacher who wanted to

be a musician and phil was a fashion

photographer

phil takes pictures of them together and

they get very close to kissing for two

best friends

willie asks phil if they can't just call

up a few models to have sex with

like he gets an employee discount or

something and then we cut to a woman

leaving

phil's bedroom in the morning redressing

herself in another room of the same

apartment

the same thing is happening with willie

so he must have actually just called up

two models and then like yeah hey come

on down and have sex with us

later they attend a sports game together

and when a man asks

for change outside willie is quick to

offer it phil seems very angry that

willie paid the man

we get the impression that willie is at

least a decent teacher when a student

suggests

that hamlet procrastinated because he

wasn't getting laid enough

and then when willie presses him further

the student launches into the to be or

not to be speech

but goes much further than people

normally do yeah he continues for like

four minutes

i don't know why this represents him

being a good teacher though

well he clearly has inspired students in

his class this

larry fishburne here is is doing a

british accent to perform

a large chunk of hamlet that he's

memorized

yeah if if he were a worse teacher i

feel like his students wouldn't care

that much about

what he's trying to teach them and he

also doesn't shoot down what he says is

like crass

yeah he just says oh interesting

criticism yeah yeah you know

expand on that yeah i must say that's a

new direction in shakespearian criticism

wilson could you

explain that just a little bit further

sure thing all right

encouraging encouraging mind it was also

smoking while he was in class but

that's true um but it's cool to see uh

you know tiny morpheus here

we see a quick scene of phil during an

interview for the draft for the vietnam

war

he's pretending to be incompetent and

just repeatedly falling out of a chair

he thinks he sold it but only time will

tell uh

time doesn't tell this never comes back

they both passed the test of

getting out of the war we get another

quick scene of

willie and phil in a bar talking to each

other about their childhoods

and for some reason masersky is talking

over the whole thing reciting

the same words the characters are right

on top of them it's actually pretty

aggravating and i don't know why it's

happening here

a lot of the scenes in this movie don't

advance the plot

yeah they're just here's them together

here here's them together

it's one of those lovely slice of life

films that i didn't like the first two

times i saw it should have been an hour

and a half is what it should have been

they should have been able to cut 25

minutes out of this stuff

that doesn't have any bearing on the

rest of the movie uh willy shows the

story of how he dodged the draft by

posing as a gay person

which i'm not sure he isn't yet i think

they pulled the same

stunt in in the army now though when

andy dick and

and uh paulie shore pretended that they

were gay and that that's why they

couldn't go into the military and he's

like

kiss them excuse me kiss your friend

you don't have a problem with that i'll

do you oh no he gets me every day

is it hot in chad i guess we have to go

to war now

walking through the park willie and phil

stake their claims on attractive women

phil picks a blonde and willy sees

margot kidder the blonde's boyfriend

comes back

an early film appearance by tom noonan

yeah and uh

then margot asks willie if she can

borrow the paper to find a movie

he says foreign or domestic and she

realizes that he's a buff

and says why don't you pick one for me

she introduces herself and mentions that

she's lonely and wants to watch a movie

with someone

when phil catches back up with them

janette the margo kidder character

invites him to join them for the film

it seems from the marquee that they went

to see beneath the planet of the apes so

maybe he's not so much of a film buff

uh i beg to differ

jeannette comes back to their apartment

with them and immediately starts

planning their futures together

she wants everyone to pursue their

artistic goals and then she stands above

them on the second floor of the

apartment

and tries on different careers she

starts as a teacher and then as a singer

and they all join in

singing what is this thing called love

the three of them somehow know that

their lives are interlocked forever

we know this because the narrator said

it like 10 times in the whole movie

and then jeannette says it using the

exact same words their destinies

interlocked forever i think our

destinies are locked forever

uh the next day willie and phil sit down

to play chess in the park

and with each move mention out loud

something they like about jeanette

by the end of the game which willie wins

phil seems to have accepted that

janette belongs to willie and assures

willie that

a woman could never a woman could never

come between two friends

if they are true friends when they meet

back up with jeanette willy and phil

both accuse each other of loving her

and she simply says i know obviously she

takes issue with the implication that

they would decide who she belongs to if

she belongs to anyone

janette mentions very nonchalantly that

she's losing her apartment soon

and needs a place to stay willie and

phil both offer their places rent-free

no strings attached she borrows a coin

from a homeless man

to flip and make the decision yeah this

was really a weird

moment yeah just like first of all i

didn't know why why she was going up to

him she's like

excuse me excuse me sir but like and

then it became clearly obvious that

this was a homeless man because he pulls

out like a bottle of yeah he's like you

want a sip too yeah

like of all the people you could borrow

a coin from why'd you pick this dude

and she doesn't even give it back she

puts it in her pocket i don't know

i don't think we even see her after less

money for him to spend on booze that's

true

willie wins and uh while they're moving

jeanette's stuff

into willy's apartment phil mentions

that he's got a hot date lined up for

tonight

because he doesn't want to look like a

loser uh willie says oh well why don't

we all go to a movie and phil says

ah we'll play it by ear because i don't

think he had a date lined up he just

didn't want them to feel guilty about

him losing the coin flip

almost as soon as phil is gone jeannette

points out that

in this arrangement sex was going to

happen sooner or later and that if it's

okay with you it's okay with me

it was bound to happen sooner or later

so we might as well make it happen

sooner

it's clearly okay with willie because

he's immediately stripping and before

they get into it she makes him promise

that he'll never tell her that he loves

her

he will only love her but i think he

does say that he loves her later in the

movie

six months later why are we jumping so

far six months later

willie and jeannette were both employed

splitting the rent and bird owners

things are moving quickly at a bar over

drinks willie tells phil

that living with a woman is like living

with your mother except for the sex

phil jokes you don't know my mother i

don't know what that means i think it

means he had sex with his mom

is that what that means i think he's

joking

but yes that is what it meant phil

shares with willie a plan that he's

considered

dropping acid the three of them take

acid at phil's place

and then pose for a before picture i

guess yeah

um but after an hour of nothing

happening

they assume that they've just been

ripped off

and they had to go see beyond the valley

of the dolls from 1970

and they are stoned enough to get thrown

out of the movie

which if you've seen this movie you have

to be real stoned to get thrown out of

beyond the valley of the dolls

i was actually surprised by the audience

in that theater i was like this doesn't

seem like these are the wrong

people yeah totally when we get back to

phil's place

janette is crying and demanding to be

taken to her home

she's having a bad trip yeah but they

lead her into this other place anyway

suddenly jeanette catches her reflection

in a mirror and freaks out because her

hands are flying away

willie offers her a drink apple juice

since he couldn't find her tea

and she throws the cup at the wall and

demands her hands back

they start to have a three-way here on

acid and willy walks away from it to

play a piano in the corner of the rum

and score a love making session for the

other two

the acid made willy happy to see his

friends make love we know this

because of the voice over and not

because we saw him take acid and then

smile while his friends made love

[Laughter]

willie was beginning to feel the drug it

was beautiful

and watching phil and jeanette make love

made willie feel very happy

over breakfast janette and phil both try

to apologize for having sex the night

before

and willie isn't hearing it really yes

yeah willie don't care

[Laughter]

says she can't promise it won't happen

again and he says promise me you won't

make any promises

phil is devastated by what he did but

they insist it's all cool

we flash forward a whole year and

janette is working as an assistant film

editor

which is what i do but she's doing it on

an old school flatbed like i had to do

in school to prepare me for something

who knows

phil has transitioned into directing for

film commercials specifically dog food

at the moment

dog food which is not the first behind

the scenes of a dog food commercial

we've seen this year

because yeah ann archer was producing a

dog food commercial

and hero at large willie discovers yoga

and buys a car a convertible bug he's

making the least progress of the three

yeah for now forever

he never learned to drive so phil was

always in charge of parking his car

until well he figured it out the

threesome head into the woods for a

picnic

jeanette talks about her salesman father

they lived in a trailer they had a pet

king snake none of this matters

willie leaves for a moment phil and

jeannette chat until

willy shouts that he found water for

them to go skinny again

it's a whole [ __ ] lake he's like oh

look i found some water like he found

like a discreet swimming hole

it's like no that's like a great lake

practically what you found

um and they all go out lake michigan i

call this lake michigan i was not

expecting to see margo kidder boobs in

this movie but here they are

willie introduces jeanette to his

parents and mom wants to know when

they're getting married

she grabs a plate from the table behind

her and offers something off of it to

jeanette

and when she says what is that she says

it it's just one of our foods

the [ __ ] does that mean just say what it

is i imagine it's a traditional

jewish food which it makes me think it's

poison it's like oh this is just one of

our foods

try food have you had food well because

if she knows what's in it she might not

want it

why is she keeping it on like a separate

table so that no one else accidentally

eats it

the three lead characters saying what is

this thing called love again

they head with jeanette to kentucky to

meet her family or i guess just willie

does

and right away jeannette's sister is

hitting on willy hard i

got it all the jewish vibes in new york

city this cute where should i put my

bags

put in my bedroom jeanette's mama is on

the same page as willie's

urgent but understanding i know things

are different these days

janette and willie walk out to a barn

and she tells them the story of how her

uncle lost some of the land gambling

again

none of this matters was it her uncle or

her dad i think she said her uncle lost

it

yeah which i think meant her dad wanted

from him

because they never explained how they

got it back no because she said he

worked three years

to get it back i thought she was talking

about her dad having a bad gambling

problem was it her uncle

it was her uncle because she said her

uncle built the place i think unless i

got it wrong

it doesn't matter uh she turns to willie

and says

it's time to make a baby i want a little

girl we fast forward eight months

and jeannette and willie have decided to

marry on the verge of their child's

birth

the minister has a stutter here but

luckily no phone at the front of the

church

at a small wedding reception just willy

phil jeannette and her sister

phil announces that he got a job in

california doing commercials for big

bucks

jeannette reminds him that as she

predicted the day they met their fates

are intertwined forever

and they all still love each other her

sister is very confused at exactly how

this relationship works though

they sing their bad song again and phil

leaves with her sister are they a thing

now

and then we cut to you know you're the

first italian i've ever slept with so i

guess so

but then it's over in this scene she

asks phil

if their relationship is incestuous

because of his relationship with her

sister

and when he says no she's like all right

well then why aren't we still having sex

we cut to a taxi with the three leads in

the back

and jeannette is reminding them it's the

girl in webster festival

okay because she's in labor now and

doesn't expect to survive the birth

uh in the hospital room with a healthy

baby phil records the moment with a

large film camera

even panning across to the new mother

they're sharing the room with for a

moment

she's playing along with it rather

nicely though i would have been like

don't

film me please yeah what is this for the

baby is a girl

zelda phil leaves and jeanette starts

crying

she says as soon as we get home i'm

going to take violin lessons

cut to that winter snow is piling up

outside and bad violin music fills the

air

10 months later willie quits his

teaching job to become a farmer

they ask the baby if it's okay and the

baby says no

and they do it anyway willie asks for a

year trial

for their crops to come in like he has

any idea what he's talking about

they go for it almost a year later

willie is weaving ponchos

on a loom

and expects to finish two a week for a

grand total of 50 to sell before the

summer when their crops come in

janette informs him that he and zelda

will be gone by then

you're not taking my kid anywhere she

wants to go anywhere that there's people

and willie puts up a small fight

before acquiescing and she asks don't

you ever tell anybody i made you leave

she's not making him come she's like

we're gonna go

you can come with us if you want you can

stay here and do this if you want

because she doesn't want to be forcing

him

they decide to move their family to

california to visit uncle phil

phil is now a hollywood type yeah

they're moving with uncle phil bel-air

no he's in melbourne phil's a hollywood

type now with an insane beach house in

malibu he arises from a hot tub to

complain about the business

and he and his girlfriend slash wife

address each other as mommy and daddy

which is weird i guess things didn't

work out with jeanette's sister because

she's just gone

phil invites them to stay for a year

because he has no money problems

they run out onto the beach where they

notice natalie wood walking her dog

phil rushes to introduce them this was

of course natalie wood's final

film appearance yeah where she filmed

her whole role

she was in a movie called brainstorm in

83

that she died during the production so

they didn't finish filming her parts

but the last fictional character she

played was in last marriage and what is

the purpose of this

appearance just to show that he's

hollywood and has these connections

i mean but what's the purpose of any of

this movie richard

no it's just it's just such an odd get

it's like oh you know we're gonna have

natalie wood be the actress who's gonna

be on this beach

i think they just wanted to hit another

los angeles stereotype

to try and differentiate the locations

another year passes and janette is

working for phil

as an editor again willie is a

stay-at-home dad with baby zelda

and losing his mind yeah he's

going crazy now uh he's riding his bike

through venice with zelda

uh teaching her about reincarnation and

animal noises

yeah like you're like what if we what if

we just stop being people

he's just like oh my god you have a chat

how many of those stamps did you eat

because because then he meets rena on on

the

on a bench which i think was phil's

girlfriend yeah earlier from earlier

yeah i think they're separated now yeah

and she's oh we're going to maui he's

like yeah

i'm going to do that he's like that

sounds great now we're birds we're

flying to maui and then we just cut to

them at home and he's like

yeah we're going to go to we're going to

move to this commune and in maui and

it's like no we the two of us have jobs

we can't just quit and go to a commune

in maui he keeps getting like

distracted by things and just completely

like going into his own world yeah like

he doesn't

exist with them anymore and i was like

oh man is this how the movie's gonna go

is this

that he's gonna descend into madness

yeah is he the haddocks of this film

yeah is he gonna blow up a house at the

end willie moves to maui and jeanette

and zelda stay with phil

although this time mazurski's

unnecessary narration actually threw me

off

because on my first pass i thought he

said willie moved to maui

janette and zelda moved to maui like

they went with him

and then i listened to it again i was

like oh he said malibu but it sounded

the same so

the next shot is jeanette zelda and phil

in los angeles still

which is why i had to back it up they're

reading a letter from willy who explains

that living on a commune

was too complicated isn't that the

opposite of why you moved to a commune

so he moved to india instead where

everything's very simple

yeah it seems like he didn't want to go

to places where there was a lot of

people

yeah and let me tell you going to

calcutta india is not where you go when

you don't want to be around a lot of

people

yeah so we cut to him in india for like

five seconds

which is a lot of production work for

two shots that don't say anything more

than this letter did

have we been led to believe that he

would lie about this in the letter

because otherwise just have it say it in

the letter that he was

it was probably easier just to have a

camera crew and not have to have sound

crew

but willie went there like the actor who

played yeah there in india but that's

what i'm saying like they like they

they probably didn't want to spend too

much time there with a crew

at all yeah

they were not even gone there and just

read the letter and said i'm in india

now oh okay

i believe the letter or have the

narrator say he's

right when the narrator have a purpose

back in la jeanette is in bed doing

coverage on a script

that she doesn't like it seems phil

mentions that his parents will be

visiting soon

and offers to get them a hotel for the

visit jeannette is being a dick about it

pretending that phil is embarrassed or a

prude because he doesn't want to fight

with his parents about them living in

sin

every time he says anything no matter

how clear he's being

she asks what are you saying phil until

he finally flips his ship

where did you learn that from those

danky film chicks of yours now it's her

turn to flip on him

and the rest of the scene is useless

they they talk a lot but they don't

actually say anything well and

and the worst part the the most

frustrating part about this is that he

was right

yeah yeah that in bringing his parents

there was a bad idea

yeah phil drives his parents home from

the airport and they ask where all the

people are

for whatever reason having expected the

freeway to be crowded with pedestrians

uh phil says that they're inside making

big deals woof

i can't deal with the rest of this scene

phil's mom basically admits that they

hate him for not having kids

but we're ashamed we're ashamed

oh my god my head's gonna come off it

feels like a balloon i'ma stop it we're

here on a vacation and they didn't come

to visit

they just wanted to tell him how

embarrassed they are no [ __ ] way

these people would ever see my house if

i was driving

right back to the airport with your

shits

stupidly phil brings them home where

jeannette brings the news that willie is

visiting

tomorrow like it's good news and not a

total nightmare the scene before this

where janette is pissed at phil for

getting his parents a hotel

felt really forced for some reason and i

realize now it was just to force this

uncomfortable scene

jeannette is the only person in the room

who totally deserves the lecture from

phil's mom

because she practically begged phil to

bring her here

a dollar says she's mad at phil later

for not standing up for her

mom demands to be taken back to the

airport and for some reason

anyone objects the only person who

doesn't

is the woman who asked for this and then

mom slaps phil

these people don't even deserve a ride

back to the airport just call them a cab

janette phil and zelda head to the docks

to pick up willy

apparently he shipped over from hawaii

where he returned to be a guest at

rina's wedding

phil looks hurt by rina's marriage like

there he gives like this

like oh she got married and

it never plays a part in anything nope

it's the last we hear of this character

we didn't even need to see her at all

he could have just been coming back from

india i don't understand why any of this

is happening

because it was in the book willy tells

them about all the other boring stuff he

did around the world seeking the answer

to life

no the the narrator tells us oh right

well he's telling us

also yeah at the same time that's what's

so great about this

the narrator never says anything that no

one else is saying at the same time

[Laughter]

they tuck zelda in and fill remarks on

his worry that their situation is

confusing the kid

jeannette counters with her standard

what are you saying phil and phil turns

to willie and says

she learned a new phrase while you were

gone and that's like my favorite line

for him this whole movie

he's like oh yeah she keeps saying this

now the three of them argue

about which of the three of them must

leave for some reason like

well it's obvious that one of us has to

go who's it going to be

phil and willie both want to leave on

their own

and they want to leave the other guy

with her janette thinks

well maybe we should all split up and

for some reason that doesn't please

everybody

even though both guys clearly want to

leave eventually they decide to ignore

everyone's wishes and stay together to

have confusing circular conversations

we get a straight repeat of the scene

from heartbeat where everyone says good

night in a triangle

and we don't know until it happens which

man will join the woman in bed tonight

they both decide to stay on the floor

yeah and

this is where the rest of my notes are

all ending question marks yeah

do they do they have sex because he like

gets naked

and turns off all the lights like he's

embarrassed like he doesn't want anyone

else to see what they're about to do

i don't know what's going on no i don't

think they do i think they're just

sleeping

are they not a couple like at the end of

this movie no

no no oh my goodness i i read a lot of

different subjects into this movie then

they go on a bunch more three-way dates

tandem bikes hot tubbing beach jogging

zanna doing in a parking lot uh we

learned that

that needs a roller skate i know i know

we learned that it has become their

routine that janette goes to bed first

and that the guys skinny dip and chat

every night they both

seem to want desperately to leave and to

stay with her

and to stay with each other but then

they watch her undress

yes while they're in the hot tub very

longingly and then they both

and they silently contemplate jerking

each other off

this is like like no this this is just

their romance

it for sure is it it was it was willie

and jeanette and then phil and jeanette

and now it's willie and phil

yeah but my note here is but here the

narration decides not to spell things

out too much

the next morning janette shares a dream

that she had last night

she wrote a pony away from her dad real

fast

she tells them that this means she's

taking zelda to new york and leaving

them both

she leaves and they both fight in the

waves unfortunately stopping short of

killing each other

and this is where i got mad this is the

end of the movie

i was like if this movie ends with them

killing each other

fine great good job

i totally agree i would have loved that

oh my god

please have them kill each other for no

reason

and then this movie will have been

brilliant yeah

but now other stuff happens and none of

it matters or makes any sense

this is basically the end of the film

but we get another year later

needlessly yeah phil and willie are both

back in new york where she is

phil is filming commercials and willie

is teaching again and we see zelda's

birthday party

now with three dads and the third one is

igor a russian immigrant

from a film that jeannette is working on

the end

why was that it's not just a film that

she's working on she's working on moscow

on the hudson

yeah which is paul mazurski would direct

moscow on the hudson with robin waves

but it's still it's

this didn't need to be tacked on to the

end no i just disappointed trivia yeah

but

it's not like at the end of this movie i

was really wondering what happened to

these characters it was like i don't

care

because i don't like any of these people

yeah but then the narrator says and this

is

again where i got confused it says

eventually william phil got married it's

like

to each other well no because then they

also say he had kids

yeah well okay like can gay couples not

have kids

they're not allowed to get uh it depends

in the 1980s maybe not

our director here was paul mazurski uh

he directed bob and carol and ted and

alice

obviously also featuring natalie wood he

also directed harry and tonto next stop

greenwich village

an unmarried woman down and out in

beverly hills moon over peridot

and he was the narrator in this film for

some reason the novel

was by henry pierre-roche roche

he was the author of the jules and jim

book he also wrote a book called two

english girls is the

english translation of the title in 56

which was also adapted by true foe our

cinematographer here was sven nyqvist

he is very celebrated cinematographer he

has oscars for fannie and alexander and

cries and whispers both for ingmar

bergman

he also lends unbearable lightness of

being

the postman always rings twice chaplain

sleepless in seattle what's eating

gilbert grapes so a lot of good stuff

michael antkeem was willie kaufman he

played ned braden in slap shot

he was sheriff harris truman on twin

peaks

yeah margo kidder was jeanette

sutherland she plays barb in black

christmas

she's kathy lutz in the first annivel

horror and she's probably best known for

playing lois lane in the superman movies

for richard donner ray sharkey was phil

d'amico

we had him as ira and heartbeat earlier

this year and he'll be back later this

year as vincent vicari and the idol

maker

jan miner was mrs kaufman she plays

sally marr

in lenny she's a mother superior in

mermaids

julie bavaso was maria d'amico

she played flo in saturday night fever

which i'm assuming is

the mother of the john travolta

character and she was

rita capomaggi the mother of cher

character

in moonstruck moon's truck i hated that

movie uh she was also

vinnie's mom in my blue heaven

uh louis gus played salvatore d'amico

and he plays

raymond kapamaji and moonstruck so i

think these are both of cher's parents

from moonstruck

playing phil's parents in this movie

they just generally play

italian stereotypes yes um and uh

the father also played a news vendor in

highlander uh

khaki hunter played patty sutherland who

is

uh jeanette's sister she was lola booyah

bass roadie's girlfriend and rhodey

and she was also wendy in all three

porky's movies

and she's adorable but she's not in very

much of this movie

christine de bell played rena she was al

in meatballs

she's alice in 1976's alice in

wonderland and x-rated musical fantasy

and she was also nancy in battle creek

brawl which is actually just a couple

movies down the line for us

lawrence fishburne or lawrence fishburne

iii was wilson

he's morpheus from the matrix he's

tyrone miller in apocalypse

now cowboy curtis on pb's playhouse

bowery king and the john wick movies

and dr bill foster black goliath in the

mcu

i also want to include him as uh

the character from the hannibal series

jack crawford um we have jerry hall in

here as karen

i don't remember who karen was no she

played alicia in batman

we've discussed her before she was a

news woman in free jack

and she also made her feature film debut

in urban cowboy earlier this year as one

of the sexy sisters

helen hamft was a used car salesperson

she played miss hellberg in license to

drive she was lottie in moonstruck

our third moonstruck person and she was

also perry's wife in arthur

solfrider was psychiatrist number two

and he played

rabbi glassberg in simon earlier this

year

jill mazurski played jill i don't know

who jill is

i'm imagining that must be since it's a

mazerski

i'm wondering if it's the girl who's

babysitting well that would make sense

uh jill mazurski is the daughter of the

director

so it would be it stands to reason that

his daughter would play the babysitter

here

um she's also uh written and produced

she wrote and produced gone fishing

with danny glover and joe pesci a movie

i saw in theaters and actually enjoyed

donald f muhich or muhic

with psychiatrist number one he appears

in five movies

four of them are mazerski and the fifth

one is amazon women on the moon

robert townsend was thin boy i don't

remember thin boy

but we just had him in fu manchu not

really but a character named robert

townsend

uh he wrote and directed hollywood

shuffle he was one of the baseball

furies in the warriors

he played manny and sandra locke's rat

boy

and he also starred as jefferson reed in

the meteor man

which he also wrote and directed the

first black superhero film

tom noonan was man in park this is the

boyfriend who

quickly reclaims his girlfriend after uh

phil starts talking to her this was his

first feature film role

uh he's the ripper in last action hero

yeah he plays kane and robocop too

and he's kelso in heat is isn't he

everybody

in uh that uh charlie kaufman film

oh is he uh synecdoche no no no the uh

the the stop-motion one oh yeah

isn't he the voice of everybody i think

you're right yeah he does the voice of

every character in

anomalisa uh natalie wood was natalie

wood

we said before this is technically her

final film where she shot all of our

scenes

her one scene and we had her earlier

this year and last married couple

john lonnoff played bearded yoga student

this is one of four uncredited roles

this year after a party guest and just

tell me what you want

a rocky horror fan and fame and

a hippie in battery park in the

exterminator later this year

marianne mueller lyle played moviegoer

uh she was the wrong sarah in terminator

that's the woman who gets shot at at her

front door

she also plays helga in orbit and woman

in line in hero at large

douglas rowan played frankenfurter in

line when they're going past the

rocky horror show and he's the same

frank infertor from fame

yeah he probably is just the one in

times square for sure

um uh eddie williams or edie williams

was ashley

uh she's in beyond the valley of the

dolls the movie that they watched in

this movie

uh she's also or maybe that's maybe

that's literally just

like crediting the person was in the

movie yeah um

but uh obviously she's in beyond the

valley of the dolls because that's what

she's featured in in this movie

she's emmanuel in bad girls from mars

and she played isabella in nudity

required

which is a great one if you haven't seen

it

um yeah this movie's hard

to watch i think it's actually really on

par

though with the two movies that it

reminds me of

because it's just three people that i i

couldn't stand in real life

yeah i i i like this the least

of those three yeah i'm struggling with

it

i i feel like heartbeat was at least

interesting to me because it was based

on real people uh in small circle of

friends i felt like

the vietnam war uh and things like that

had a little bit more to play in

domestic terrorism like there was

there was there was like higher stakes i

didn't feel like there was any stakes in

this movie like

like they they they don't seem to be

happy or

unhappy to be with or without each other

yeah like they they keep saying how

they're

they're like i'll go no i'll go yeah

it's like okay well then

there's no cop nobody cares yeah it's so

great

i don't know i still because right now

and i keep moving it

i keep putting it up and down my list

because right now i have it

between the two so it's it's smack in

the middle because i

really didn't like a small circle of

friends yeah

and i'm trying to figure out what it was

about that movie that i didn't

like as much as this one and i think

that this one was just

a narration aside a more capably made

movie than a small circle of friends i

think the dialogue was at least good

yeah so i think i liked it better in

that respect i like the acting better

in this movie than a small circle of

friends for sure

um but it's it's

it's frustrating how similar all three

of these movies were

and not not great yeah

for me it's a down and it's going right

between

roadie and honeysuckle rose

yeah it's i mean it's it's a down for me

and i think i have it

a little higher than that but not

terribly high

i have it above how to beat the high

cost of living and below

holy moses okay oh mine's in the

70th place now uh interesting i have

mine at 68.

uh so pretty close but uh it's it's

bookended by

uh just below holy moses and just above

chichen chang it's in 77th place for me

between rhodey and honeysuckle rose

out of 100 movies hey look at that

boom 100th movie this is our 100th

episode if you don't count

our patreon exclusive episodes so which

we don't

ever nobody counts them nobody listens

to those

uh we have watched 100 movies

from one year by itself

that's ridiculous why do we do that i

don't know and we're still going

let's do another 80. this was a silly

which is crazy that there's 80 more

movies that come out between august and

august

in the last couple end of the year yeah

they're it gets

heavy it's and december is ridiculous

october and december i think both have

huge numbers

all right buckle up here we go i think

that's everything for this one

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next time when we'll be discussing

the octagon which imdb describes like so

a martial artist must defeat a plan by

ninjas to create a worldwide training

camp for terrorists

we leave you now with the trailer for

the octagon

no one will admit they still exist

efficient killers who work in silence

secrecy

darkness unholy masters of terror

by magic

the man he once called brother is now

his deadly enemy

he must find the strength to become

everything he hates

[Music]

i wanted you because you could succeed

i need your help

the professional who wants targets if

you saw ninjas

you're seeing ghosts

daenerys to want revenge i want to know

who they are

i know who they are everybody wants

something from him

a prisoner of his own destiny

you will find freedom only one way

you don't torment me anymore sakura

[Music]

chuck norris karen carlson lee van cleef

the octagon

no one will admit they still exist